One thing I like a lot about the Torto-Fists is that the shards deployed from the charged shot do not last forever, forcing the player to somewhat time the use, position, and situation (two different things) of when to use it. As an addition to that severely limited barrier, the charge time is also notable, disallowing evident spam like someone trying to corner the Royal Jelly King with those shots.

I know I am not too keen to weapon switching no matter how much I practice so I cannot make full use of its regular attacks as I bet there is some measure of efficiency to it. But given that it pushes some enemies away from you, leaving you safe ENOUGH from one sort of melee hit if not another, I would like to see how well or poorly it works out with the Winmillion. (depositing mental notes, mind me not)

Lastly, like the two above me have pointed out, it is not a primary weapon regardless of how much I would like to imagine otherwise.

I gathered that but did not know whether to follow up on it. And I have seen that worked sometimes, like when one backs up onto the party button from a charged shot from the very first active floor of the Royal Jelly Palace; I see there that it does not pass the gate that retracts only after I slide on it. But I'll have to see again.

You say the charge isnt supposed to be used in regular combat?

With some CTR and proper aiming it works extremely well. But barely anyone knows how to use it, since it is brand new after all.

Charge does 3k+ dmg to mobs easily during combat, and the normal attack can push enemies into the charge.

Unless you are gullible and got the piercing one. Still isnt good against wolvers and fiends, since those enemies dodge, making the gun inconsistent compared to the other guns. You're dealing with two rNGs instead of one.

@Fettuccine-Alfredo

I find that the dodging makes them hit the fallen shards even more than if they didn't dodge (T1 vs T3 monsters).

The dodging isnt the problem with fiends and wolvers, its the fact that they move quickly and erratically, making them unlikely to run into the crystals.

Savage Tortofist is still awesome on Trojans. You chan charge in their faces and the shards will basically land right on to of them without having to run in circles. Sadly not as efficient as blitz still.

In addition to Glacies' drawing, my take:

http://i.imgur.com/on0XygZ.png

This is how I see Valiance Charge working (and similarly way, how I see the tracer/crystal radius work for the tortofist charge), and IMO the main thing that discourages direct aim with those attacks.

Thanks to the randomization of tortofist charge, you can sometimes get some of the crystals to spawn around/next to the enemies, but they never choose to spawn directly on top of any without the enemies walking over them (which is why they only ever show up next to vanaduke).

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@Mtax:
Sort of true. It is pretty nice if/when you can get Vanaduke to walk over the charges, and it's pretty safe for that fight, so I can see why you like it there. In team runs, Vanaduke is often standing still, which leads to the positioning issue that Glacies and I mentioned and makes the fist less effective.

Another annoyance is that enemies like Mecha knights will treat the shards as barriers and path around them, thus not actually taking any damage from them at all. That, and the long deploy time once you release the charge means it's only effective on slow targets.