Ok I spent the last week trying to get my Shivermist to its full potential. I finally succeed yesterday, only to be slapped in the face by a updated that reduces the cloud time duration and radius. Now I dont think it was needed, it was a great bomb. Now the time duration is shortened to the point that I am lucky to catch 2 monsters with it. let alone switch weapons and charge to so I can attack it. Granted the radius was overly sized so I understand the change. But i think that when you spend 800 CE on a final upgrade you should have awesome effects like the Shivermist Buster, Ash of Agni, and Venom Veiler had. Plus why change those effects when these bombs dont cause much damage in the first place. It feels like all the time money and CE was wasted for a crap update.
What are your feeling for the new update of the haze bombs final upgrades?
It seems they keep making the monsters stronger and weapons weaker.
Changes to the Haze bomb series.
My Freezing Atomizer is still frigging awesome. Even if Shivermist has been nerfed to only be a very slight improvement, I'm still gonna upgrade it.
Also, they JUST nerfed basically ALL the monsters, including the Oilers and electric slimes, like three weeks ago. I think you just suck at the game, and probably smell bad, too.
SlyJohnny, you obviously don't have a Shivermist. It wasn't just the radius that was nerfed, it was the amount of time the cloud lasts that was also nerfed. (All 5* haze bomb series got these nerfs) The duration nerfed hurts a lot, and I agree with IceJester as I am also someone who went through the trouble & CE not long ago to make my Shivermist.
I most likely would not have bothered making it 5* and instead used the 25k crowns and 800 CE on something else, if I knew this was coming. You pretty much made our point FOR us, the 4* Atomizer (and lower) got buffed to the point that with the 5* nerfs, it really wasn't worth the cost to go from 4* to 5* anymore. Anyone who upgraded their Atomizers recently is going to be pissed.
Has it been reduced to less duration then the atomizer? Is the Shivermist no longer the best bomb in the game? If so, what are you replacing it with?
Double post, bleh.
to me the duration nerf is barely noticable and the blast radius is still significantly larger than the atomizer. Really not too much of a problem.
Whow, whow. Slyjohnny, Icejester is a great player, I just went and beat the tier 2 boss with him 3 times today. He rocks. Now, to business. I am a person with a freezing atomizer, I like the changes, because this bomb is now better. But I saw shivermist, and it was not as good. I'd say still worth it, but still good.
IGN: Rangerwill. Hey ice! Great runs today.
Oh boy icejester can beat a t2 boss <_<
The nerf to 5* haze series was very minor, the radius is still quite large and it is still the best cc in the game.
The thing was shosuko, that he did it so easily. I dyed, he survived and killed it.
I figured that people were going to complain (I was kinda sad when I read it, too).
It's not super awesome anymore, but it's still a great bomb.
It was a change for the good. The shivermists radius was friggin massive before. It's alot more balanced now.
Thanks guys for your input everyone, I agree with a lot of I have been working with the new shivermist and the nerf is not to bad. It is not super mega awesome anymore but still a great bomb. Still have some mixed feelings for it but it is getting better with use.
As for the trolls SlyJohnny and Shosuko you both can go $^#* a llama since that's what trolls like you do. I didn't ask for your lame childish remarks. I asked a gaming community their opinion on the new changes of the Haze bomb series. Remarks like yours just shows the imbecilic maturity of people like you. And as I am sure you 2 will comment again, when you do I look forward to making you both look incredibly more stupid once you reply.
At no point did either of them troll you. They disagreed with you. That's not the same thing.
The only person being childish and immature is you, Jester.
Problem is, that while bombs (especially shivermist) are really useful with weak team, it was already pretty hard most of the time to use them in an efficient fashion if your team is really good. Bombs just sort of stagnate at a point... after everything is 5* and a good set available for most occasions, you can squeeze a lot more out of swords and guns than out of bombs, unless you take advantage of things like the long haze time / big radius to the limit. Haze bombs were the strongest bombs most of the times...
Well now they mostly feel like toys to use if you're too lazy to us a sword right (or dodge / defend yourself and your team). Using bombs was barely worth sacrificing all the neat little tricks before (like shield-bumping mobs to the right place, standing in the right place to do a sword charge, cutting your teammate out of ice without pausing to change weapons, throwing surplus status vials, deflecting blows aimed at a teammate).
I think those new little changes might have brought it below the line where no "endgame player" would want to make "excessive" use of bombs. I'm not only talking of haze bombs: this bomber helmet just isn't really worth it any more if you can take a deadshot chapeau, dragon helm or something instead depending on where you're going, and that helps bring down the other bombs in your repertoire.
Matuse you obviously don't know how to read. When someone makes attacks on a person they don't even know, that makes them a troll. Quote from Slyjhonny "I think you just suck at the game, and probably smell bad, too." and Quote from Shosuko " Oh boy icejester can beat a t2 boss <_<." I'm sorry that's trolling
Did I make any comments about people who disagreed with me? No! Again you didn't read I gave thanks to everyone who gave input agree or disagree. I even changed my opinion about they bomb after testing it out more. Make sure you know the facts before you jump into a debate. I didn't care they disagreed with me, but they made remarks about me when they don't even know me.
So again for Matuse can "READ"
Thanks guys for your input everyone, I agree with a lot of I have been working with the new shivermist and the nerf is not to bad. It is not super mega awesome anymore but still a great bomb. Still have some mixed feelings for it but it is getting better with use
As the Shivermist was a fall back for a team consisting of many weak teammates. It can still be used in a pinch. If say you are surround be monsters and you can muster a bomb to freeze the surrounding area, it can give you time to get out of the situation. It may even take a few monsters down for you. But for the most part, if your teammates are down it can allow you enough time to revive one or two so you are not having to deal with an entire hoard yourself.
For example in the Firestorm Citadel when you get mobbed by Slags is a good fall back to cover your butt and regroup or come back with an attack of your own. But I do agree with you thought that a bomb just is not a substitute for a good sword or gun with all the tricks they can produce. I am not saying bombs are not useful I just think using a Divine Avenger can produce the same time needed to help teams and cause more damage with its charge just like any bomb. But i think it all boils down to preference. As much as I like the Haze bombs I will take a sword any day.
That's still not trolling. It's insulting. Learn the meaning of words before you use them.
Flaming people who say something stupid or incorrect is a *necessary part of internet discussion* as it helps the flow of information, because the internet, without indexing, is just a random morass of contradictory information. If we all just posted our opinions and didn't assiduously cut down the chaff, the occasionally brilliant, insightful advice or less widely known information that people occasionally post would get buried and lost amidst a sea of HOW IS BABBY FORMED?? and OHNOES SHIVERMIST SUCKS NAO :(
Therefore, when someone posts a side-by-side comparison of the radius of both the old and new shivermist, the community deems it useful, posts in the thread more, and that useful tidbit of information becomes more widely disseminated and assimilated. Equally, IceJester, when you post crap like this thread, it is important that people jump in to explain that the Shivermist is still a great bomb- the best bomb overall, even- and that the information you're bringing to the table isn't worth living our lives by.
Trolling is a term taken and used out of context anyway, so you need to practiced what you preach.
People use trolling for many different terms, but in actuality they are all wrong.
You call it crap but yet you still are posting in it. If it so insignificant to you then don't post your crap in it as well.
SlyJohnny you sound like an idiot and you are not worth my time. I got what i need out of the responses( nothing worth "disseminated and assimilated" from you). So I'm done with this thread
Flaming people who say something stupid or incorrect is a *necessary part of internet discussion* as it helps the flow of information,
*sigh* People who flame rarely know what they are talking about, they are simply substituting vitriol for their lack of knowledge. When you see someone flame a lot, you can usually just skip past their posts, saving a lot of time.
Personal attacks not only show a lack of knowledge about how to communicate, but a lack of knowledge about the ToS for this forum.
What? It was barely nerfed, it's simply not supermassive anymore.