My Freezing Atomizer is still frigging awesome. Even if Shivermist has been nerfed to only be a very slight improvement, I'm still gonna upgrade it.

Also, they JUST nerfed basically ALL the monsters, including the Oilers and electric slimes, like three weeks ago. I think you just suck at the game, and probably smell bad, too.

Has it been reduced to less duration then the atomizer? Is the Shivermist no longer the best bomb in the game? If so, what are you replacing it with?

to me the duration nerf is barely noticable and the blast radius is still significantly larger than the atomizer. Really not too much of a problem.

Oh boy icejester can beat a t2 boss <_<

The nerf to 5* haze series was very minor, the radius is still quite large and it is still the best cc in the game.

I figured that people were going to complain (I was kinda sad when I read it, too).
It's not super awesome anymore, but it's still a great bomb.

Problem is, that while bombs (especially shivermist) are really useful with weak team, it was already pretty hard most of the time to use them in an efficient fashion if your team is really good. Bombs just sort of stagnate at a point... after everything is 5* and a good set available for most occasions, you can squeeze a lot more out of swords and guns than out of bombs, unless you take advantage of things like the long haze time / big radius to the limit. Haze bombs were the strongest bombs most of the times...

Well now they mostly feel like toys to use if you're too lazy to us a sword right (or dodge / defend yourself and your team). Using bombs was barely worth sacrificing all the neat little tricks before (like shield-bumping mobs to the right place, standing in the right place to do a sword charge, cutting your teammate out of ice without pausing to change weapons, throwing surplus status vials, deflecting blows aimed at a teammate).

I think those new little changes might have brought it below the line where no "endgame player" would want to make "excessive" use of bombs. I'm not only talking of haze bombs: this bomber helmet just isn't really worth it any more if you can take a deadshot chapeau, dragon helm or something instead depending on where you're going, and that helps bring down the other bombs in your repertoire.

Flaming people who say something stupid or incorrect is a *necessary part of internet discussion* as it helps the flow of information, because the internet, without indexing, is just a random morass of contradictory information. If we all just posted our opinions and didn't assiduously cut down the chaff, the occasionally brilliant, insightful advice or less widely known information that people occasionally post would get buried and lost amidst a sea of HOW IS BABBY FORMED?? and OHNOES SHIVERMIST SUCKS NAO :(

Therefore, when someone posts a side-by-side comparison of the radius of both the old and new shivermist, the community deems it useful, posts in the thread more, and that useful tidbit of information becomes more widely disseminated and assimilated. Equally, IceJester, when you post crap like this thread, it is important that people jump in to explain that the Shivermist is still a great bomb- the best bomb overall, even- and that the information you're bringing to the table isn't worth living our lives by.