Spiral Knights - Teir 3 Devilite CEO Boss

Teir 3 Devilite CEO Boss

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Sat, 08/27/2011 - 15:54

Indigoraven

I know this have been mentioned MANY times but, I'll like to tell you guys about my idea.

So it starts out you going through levels that resembles an office building. When you reach the boss, he'll a giant purple pit boss (Kinda like a cross between a Devilite Overtimer and a regular pit boss) sitting on a desk with several items on it. He'll look at your team then he'll sigh and says. " I have a meeting soon, but I guess I have time to play." The stage to fight him has tiles that spawn Pit Bosses so they'll block your way to his desk.

Phase one: When you start to fight him a clock appears on screen (Like the one in Blast works). It'll say 5-10 min. and start to count down. In this phase he'll flick giant pencils(or pens but thats for Three rings to decide if they make this.) that deal piercing/shadow damage and causes poison since the lead is toxic (It will also cause a small knockback.). He'll also sometimes splash some of his coffee on you. This won't cause damage but it WILL set you on fire. (a weak fire though) He'll have a computer screen that will show you his health for your convenience.You have to push your way through the guarding Pit Bosses and attack his desk which kinda like a shield. You have to smash it down until it breaks and you'll be able to attack him normally.After a while it would regenerate and knock you back to the start. The desk is resistance to everything and the boss himself is very slightly resistant to all damage, except for piercing damage. Piercing only causes regular damage.

Phase two: After his health is 1/4 gone he gains an ability to freeze you by flapping his wings, leaving you in the mercy of toxic pencils/pens. He never uses his coffee attack now. He also gets a stronger shield and the tiles generate pit bosses faster. This is the longest stage so wear something with freeze resistance.

Phase three: If you reach this phase then It's pretty much the same EXCEPT for the fact that he's faster and he activated his nightmare security system. Now four new tiles appear in front of his desk. The two on the far right and the far left spawn shocking howlitzer (teir 2). The two in the middle are large tiles that generate 2 trojans (teir 1) This phase would be easier if you had a team. The tile for the trojans, takes a long time to respawn, but I suggest you don't take too long to kill the boss.

Special Phase: Remember the clock? If perhaps you completely ignore it and just take your time then the boss will skip phases and go on to a special one. He'll stop attacking and says,"It was fun but, your making me late and that just won't do, so I'll have to finish this NOW!" The tiles that spawn monsters vanishes, but he'll grab a suit case and brings out a pitchfork that has gran fausts attached to the tips. (scared yet?) He'll then change colors and turns into a black pit boss. His health remains the same as before, but I hope you damaged him enough before. In this phase he'll use an attack resembling Gran faust's charge attack except it has several bullets that you have to dodge. He'll also snap his fingers and black holes would randomly appear to hold you down. If you get close to him then he can turn his pitchfork into an ax (He'll also say," Don't girls love this smell?") and swing it down causing you to recieve massive damage and knockback.All attacks (except for the black hole one) can curse you. All damage in this stage is shadow damage. Other then that you just have to break his shield and kill him.

Other things about the battle: Status conditions do work in this battle, but have their abilities reduced. The boss is also immune to freeze and curse.

I have no ideas for what the levels should be called or what the token awards will be, so I need your help. Also comment if you get the ax joke. Other than that post your suggestions.

EDIT: I edited the phases so he could only inflict poison and another status condition. Otherwise it would cause too much chaos. I also made it have unique resistances.
EDIT: with some help I was able to improve the phases.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 16:28

Glowing-Ember

This is brilliant and needs

This is brilliant and needs to happen. That is all.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 17:49

Michaelb

Brilliant!!!

Again, NEEDS to happen.

Course 1: Lucrative Lobby
Course 2: Wretched Workplace
Course 3: Corrosive Cubicles(preferrably containing many poison devilites)
Course 4: Sizzling Storage(prefferably containing many fire devilites)
Course 5(boss): CEO's Headquarters

I hope this helps... I especially like the Corrosive Cubicles one.

That's what I think :D

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 18:30

Theskyblade

...PURE,PURE GENIUS!!!!!

It takes a sensible boss that isnt just random, GREAT IDEA btw, and combines it with that freeze boss everyone has been asking for!!!! OOO should listen at LEAST. if i ran SK development id hire u right now!!!!!!!! :D +1k

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 18:43

Orangeo

We already have a boss that

We already have a boss that repels shadow though, that's the problem. Not that this isnt a good idea (other than the multi-status effects, i don't like that), but vannaduke is nearly a zombie stratum.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 19:24

Glowing-Ember

Not sure why that matters.

Not sure why that matters. Fiends are not Undead.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 19:46

Indigoraven

It's because they both have shadow resistance. Oh and i edited the phases so it wouldn't be chaos with the statuses.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 20:28

Shue-Donnym

If this happens then the only monster family w/o a boss stratum (in which they make up a large amount of population) is Gremlin. Since we already have 2 bosses in T2, if this happens, then were almost sure that there will be a T1 grem boss.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 20:28

Glowing-Ember

Roarmulus and Jelly King both

Roarmulus and Jelly King both have Piercing resistance.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 06:33

Indigoraven

Well...

It's not exactly a perfect idea but, It would still help SK. It would make people want to wear something else than full vog cub to a boss run.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 06:42

#10

Rage-Knight

I don't care which boss it

I don't care which boss it will be, to be honest. Devilites - fine with me, as long as they get nerfed (weakened, for example, get slower attack and projectiles, only 1 dodge in 10 seconds, not 99).

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 07:00

#11

Indigoraven

True...

But instead of nerfing devilites, we can add several office desks in the levels that can act as barriers. By the way I like Michael99's Ideas about the stages. The stages should also represent the boss. So we just need a name for the freeze and shock stages. Another way to solve the devilite problem is to reduce the amount of crowns they produce when defeated. Instead the boss ceo (when defeated) will write you a check of ???? crowns. (and he gives out tokens of course) This would make players focus on running and dodging instead of fighting. It would also make players WANT to go to the boss stage.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 07:49

#12

Theskyblade

of course there wont be a grem boss

because king tinkinzar will be in the core, when(or if) OOO lets us in. it would make sense,no?

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 07:56

#13

Indigoraven

But it seems like a waste to have a devilite boss as a teir one

But it seems like a waste to have a devilite boss as a teir one. Or a crimson order could be a boss for teir one. But let's get back on to the subject.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 09:05

#14

mejezfeld

Legacy Username

For some reason

For some reason this came to mind.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 09:41

#15

Chris

People always stealing my

People always stealing my idea since early release

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 14:13

#16

Indigoraven

...

Wait what? Look I didn't steal any idea but, I'm pretty sure you mean copying the idea of having a devilite CEO boss. So does anyone else approve of this idea? Oh and has three rings ever taken a player's idea and made it into content? I was just wondering.

Sun, 08/28/2011 - 14:50

#17

Orangeo

Allot of people asked for an

Allot of people asked for an auction house silver, I'm not sure if three rings made it then by coincidense or from pleas. Also, I'm sure you didn't steal that idea. Devilmites are workers, a CEO as a boss is only a natural idea.

"Roarmulus and Jelly King both have Piercing resistance."
That's teir two. Teir three is the endgame, and if in the end everything ressists shadow, then no one would make shadow weapons. People still make peircing weapons becuase they are useful in teir three on things like trojans. Of course, the other teir two boss shouldn't have been the roarmulus twins. That would've done better in teir one. Then stick a feind in teir two and gremlins in teir three.
Of course, the problem is that vannaduke is technicaly fire as opposed to undead. I've been told theres going to be a kat stratum boss next. So if they use the four statuses for bosses as well, 4 of the 6 monsters will get repeated. Gremlins don't have statuses, so they would only get one boss.

And people, pleease stop asking for devilmite nerfs. As long as you kill the pit bosses, the little ones are easy.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 15:22

#18

Indigoraven

Thx

I didn't want to learn that posting this was a lost cause. Anyway does anybody have a suggestion to make? Also how long should the clock be? I don't want it to be too short or too long. And do you think I over did it in the special stage? I want it to be hard, but not impossible.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 18:22

#19

Beastlikethat

I really like the idea. I want to answer some of your questions but I'm not very good with questions concerning teir 3. I really hope this is made.

Mon, 08/29/2011 - 20:23

#20

Klipwc

Good ideal, just make sure

Good ideal, just make sure they dont have kats at the same time as devilites... having both together in tier 3 is hellish

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 08:40

#21

Vlad

Allot of people asked for an

And people, pleease stop asking for devilmite nerfs. As long as you kill the pit bosses, the little ones are easy.

Brush up on your grammar and spelling, then I might be able to understand what you're saying.

Also, +1 on the idea.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 14:46

#22

Indigoraven

@Klipwc

Yeah I hate that the most too, but don't worry. I'm pretty sure devilites have a No Pets policy.

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 22:21

#23

Romasanta

wut

Toxic lead? Pencil "lead" is made of graphite and clay, neither of which is particularly toxic. If you're really in love with he idea of poisonous projectiles, use pens, instead, as they can hold liquid, which in your case, would be a poisonous liquid. How has no one pointed this out? is one disturbed by the idea of an inexplicably poisonous pencil?

Tue, 08/30/2011 - 23:15

#24

Arctic-Fern

Regarding graphite...

I like the poisonous pencil slightly better as the "lead" joke is easier to get than poisonous ink...

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 01:01

#25

Romasanta

if you know what a pencil's "lead" is made of, then your reaction is "wut?" I also do not like the idea of poisonous pens, but that was just a throwaway suggestion in case the OP was incessantly in love with his/her idea of poisonous projectiles. Even if you ignore the fact that, logistically speaking, poisonous pens make more sense that poisonous pencils, I'm not even sure most people would understand the "lead poisoning" joke, unless someone pointed it out. Or it might be like fridge brilliance moment for players, or reverse fridge brilliance for others.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:31

#26

Indigoraven

...

Who ever said the pencils were made of regular graphite? We are talking about the demonic CEO of the devilites. And the "lead poisoning" joke was the whole point of the pencils.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 08:24

#27

Romasanta

No, again

If your joke was the reason you wanted pencils, then you have other problems beside the purely logistical ones.

The "lead poisoning" joke doesn't make too much sense, and isn't immediately obvious anyway. Also, you can't just handwave it by saying that Devilite CEO would have pencils whose "lead" would be made of something other than graphite, such as actual lead, which isn't all that great for writing with anyway, and still expect people to make an amusing connection to between the pencils' toxicity and "lead poising." Your joke is simply not very self-evident.

You can't just expect people to make that connection. Why? Because rule 1 of world building is that except for explicitly stated exceptions, the audience will believe that everything within the story functions the same as it does in reality. Ipso facto, ("most"? "a whole lot of," for sure) players will not make the "lead poisoning" connection, because they have little to no real life experiences to cause those connections, and because Spiral Knights hasn't created the assumption that Devilites' pencils contain lead. This would likely cause players to miss your joke, entirely, and simply assume the projectiles were causing poison merely for the sake of having another status defect in the fight.

Conclusion/Summary: your joke is not very self evident, and has a good chance of having to be explained, which makes it not very funny, though still vaguely clever, despite being based on a faulty premise.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:02

#28

Indigoraven

Well

Personally I like " I died because of lead poisoning!" better than "I died because of ink poisoning!" Besides is it that important? I wanted the boss to inflict multi-statuses so people would wear a diverse set of armor. Since poison resistances are kinda overlooked, I wanted the boss to inflict it a lot. I know that you think poisonous pens are a better idea, but are players really going to care? They're going to be too busy dodging and rushing to the boss to care. Also I didn't attend to make the joke funny. I definetly did NOT want it to be easy to figure out. So just chill.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 22:02

#29

Romasanta

Chill?

I was plenty calm; just because my arguments are abrasive, does not mean that I am anything but. More importantly, why do you guys keep returning to what I've already stated is a throwaway suggestion? I've already stated that I do not really like the idea of poisonous pens too much, myself, and that the idea's only merit is that it is the more logistically sound of the two aforementioned choices. I only suggested the idea of pens since I assumed that "lead poisoning" was flawed attempt to rationalize having septicemia-inducing pencils. Furthermore, I haven't been arguing that the use of pens is the better idea, as I think that pencils the better choice, anyway. First I stated that your premise of "lead poisoning" was flawed, since I believed that that that was your misinformed attempt at rationalization. Then upon realizing that you were trying to make a joke, I argued that your joke wasn't very good, largely due to the erroneous premise that players would understand. After I argued that your joke was not very good, your rebuttal was ostensibly that the choice of of writing utensil did not matter and that your joke was not meant to be amusing, but was meant to be difficult to grasp. That necessitates a twofold response. Concerning your first statement, the idea that the choice of which utensil to use being superfluous is deeply flawed, as there is indubitably an aesthetically superior choice. For the sake of arguing what I believe to be true, instead of playing devil's advocate, I will argue that the pencil is the better choice, as it is more easily recognizable in a simplified, or stylized state. As for your assertion that your joke was meant to be obtuse, not funny, I will respond by saying that since jokes are supposed to be both amusing and easily grasped by the target audience, there are three three likely reasons for you to have made your assertion; either the idea of making an obtuse and humorless joke somehow amuses you, and you are a bit odd, that your statement was a load of nonsense, or that you clearly do not understand what a joke is.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 21:57

#30

Romasanta

Excuse me

I'm sorry for making long-winded posts, but my professors have made me very anal-retentive about the soundness of arguments.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 14:14

#31

Beastlikethat

Not trying to be rude or mean

But you (aavb132) pretty much killed this thread. It's too bad because this was actually a good idea.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 16:36

#32

Romasanta

As silver_raven said, the

As silver_raven said, the idea of a Devilite CEO as a boss has been suggested many times before, mostly due to the fact that it is a logical choice for a boss monster, though I will admit that I find silver_raven's iteration to not only be interesting, but largely appropriate for a Devilite, and mostly free of things I find objectionable, except for the pencil joke and the CEO's fan, which I would actually like an explanation for. Seeing as this is a rather well formed idea, I think I'll try to contribute to it, albeit in a more productive manner than just arguing over logical validity, or quality of humor.

Since I am more interested in the token rewards that one might receive from the boss, rather than the boss itself, I figure my contribution should pertain to shadow-based additions to the arsenal.

- Armor - A re-skin and slight alteration to the cobalt line might make for interesting looking shadow armor.

- Sword - A shadow variant of the cutter line might be a viable addition to the arsenal, though a shadow Spur would give the dev team a chance to fix the things that suck about that particular sword line.

- Gun - They don't interest me, so I don't have enough experience with them to make any good suggestions. Thus, I can really only state that it would probably be good to have a shadow gun besides the Sentenza and the Shadowtechs.

- Bomb - Bombs and I have a worse relationship than that of guns and myself, so all I an do is suggest the existence of more shadow bombs, perhaps something along the lines of a shadow Nitronome, or a cursing bomb.

- Shield - Considering the largely homogenous shapes of the shields currently in the game, it might be best to create a new shield. Alternatively, a Devilite-themed plate shield, or similarly themed Drake Scale/Bristling shield might be good. If the shield had an ability, general CTR ability might be interesting, considering how quick Devilites are to attack. It would probably have to be CTR low,unless it was a more specialized ability, such as CTR med for swords, guns, or bombs.

Thu, 09/01/2011 - 18:42

#33

Indigoraven

Waves white flag.

Alright you win aavb132, so let's make peace.Just kidding. I know you were trying to fix something in my idea. Anyway the fan idea was really just for the freeze status. I couldn't think of something a CEO would use besides a desk fan. The third stage used to say the Ceo would activate a security system and spark puppies would some times spawn instead of pit bosses, but that seemed a bit too much. I would like your help on that matter. I also like your ideas about the awards. The armor can have small devilits horns so that it would be devilite themed. The shield though should have to do something with guns. Maybe like a new UV to increase gun bullet speed or lowers reload time for ammo. Anyway let's just be freinds alright?

Fri, 09/02/2011 - 05:56

#34

Romasanta

Sure, I can always use another friend

I think the fan wouldn't be necessary to cause freeze. You could have the CEO's attacks cause freezing like Vanduke's cause fire. The Divine Comedy describes the the 9th circle of hell as a sort of ice pit with Satan at its center. His wings beat icy wind, as well, which could take care of the freezing status. This might help you - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_%28Dante%29

I sort of like the idea of the Sparkies, but you should probably only use a couple of them. Also, instead of Sparkies, maybe they should be Shocking Howlitzers or Beryl Greavers, if you want to maintain a fiend theme. Alternatively, the CEO could use a Trojan (or two, if you're feeling sadistic) as his personal body guard. Also, I think it might be a good idea to have a stage during which the CEO backs off and lets his employees attack the players, before the final stage.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the aforementioned circle of hell was the 9th one

Fri, 09/02/2011 - 01:39

#35

PuReKnIgHt

Legacy Username

Absolute Genius

I have heard many boss suggestions and this is the best one , I agree with micheal99 for the levels before the boss.

Fri, 09/02/2011 - 06:13

#36

Romasanta

New thoughts

It would be fitting with the Devilite theme if the sword/s shot shadow projectiles, though a think a single quick moving one would be best. Similarly, it might be appropriate if the bomb/s did something similar to the Dark Briar Barrage, which might also be a good place to start, as far as looks go. Also, I though about your comment concerning the CTR ability, and came to the conclusion that considering how projectile-happy the little blighters are, a handgun CTR shield would make perfect sense. Oh, and ASI both increases firing rate and reduces reload times, and since there is a shield that does that already (Swiftstrike Buckler), they might not want to introduce a gun ASI shield, until far later in the future, if ever. However, if they did, then they'd probably need a bomb ctr elemental shield (if the gun ASI was a shadow shield).

Fri, 09/02/2011 - 14:50

#37

Indigoraven

Thx

I just edited my first post. I never knew swiftstrike could lower reload times. I guess you learn some thing everyday. I don't think there should be a bomb since usually token awards only have two types of weapon. (except for snarby, but he doesn't have armors) Not to mention a cursing bomb would be dangerously strong and the last two bosses also had bombs as token awards. The gun could be similar to the antigua line's speed, but less ammo. The sword could be like a spur except it's projectile can be insanely quick to the point wolvers won't be able to teleport in time. It can also have a charge attack where it would shoot a extremely fast pitch fork-like projectile that has a low (notice that i said low) chance of inflicting curse. The gun can also inflict curse too, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea.

Fri, 09/02/2011 - 18:21

#38

Romasanta

Addendum

- When I suggested a bomb CTR shield, I didn't mean that it should be one of the token awards, at least not for a Devilite boss. It should be a regular shield, or a reward for some other sort of boss.

- A cursing bomb should probably have a smaller blast radius, and maybe work like the haze bombs.

- I like the your ideas for the rest of the weapons, although for the gun, I think it's charge attack should have a single, fast-moving, high-powered shot, like a smaller, quicker version of the blaster line's charge.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 13:10

#39

Indigoraven

Maybe

Maybe the gun could be like the magnus series, with low ammo, large attack power,and high knockback,but the bullets would be antigua speed. To balance this, the range of the gun would be short, but it would be longer then a heavy sword's range. The charge attack would be exactly like as aavb132 described. The gun's 5* could be called ragnorok. Also can someone else post? This thread seems empty.

Sat, 09/03/2011 - 17:55

#40

Kriptoid

nice idea

nice idea i love it but it would take a long time to make with all these new updates coming also many people are experiencing lag in the ironclaw munitions cause there is so much detail
imagine how much detail an office would take there has to be paper everywhere chairs
i think it will be a problem
but still great idea

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 06:21

#41

Shoebox

Seven minutes is all I can spare to play with you.

He reminds me of Wesker.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 07:07

#42

Michaelb

I'm glad you like the idea!

I'm glad you like the courses idea! :D

But the REAL genius here is silver_raven.

d_:)

@aavb132

Maybe the devilite shield would have a glowing purple money or crowns sign on it...?

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 07:42

#43

Lemon-Neko

I'm sure you've all noticed...

All but RJK have a bit of a puzzle aspect to them. Snarbo=bell, twins=switches, vana=water, RJK, well you just had to keep him from healing. What's the devilite boss gonna have?

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 07:55

#44

Indigoraven

Well

It would have a clock. If the clock reaches zero he goes to a near-impossible-to-beat phase. This would make players anxious and make stupid mistakes. Thus increasing the difficulty a bit on the normal phases if the team isn't cool-headed.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 08:38

#45

Romasanta

@michael99 I rather like the

@michael99

I rather like the sound of that. It wild be rather like the Ironmight Plate Shield, only violet. But then again, it looks good on the Ironmight because of the contrast. If there were a glowing symbol on the shield, There's a good chance it would haveto starkly contrast with the rest shield to look good, which is sort of problematic, because when I think of Devilites, I pretty much only think of the color Violet. A yellow symbol would make sense, though, since Devilites' eyes are that color, but I'm not sure that would look good.

@ silver_raven

I very much enjoy the idea of a Devilite gun called the Ragnarok (Ragnarok is old Norse, and means "final destiny of the gods," for those who don't know). It's an especially good name if one considers that that Spiral Knight has Valkyrie armor that gives a damage bonus versus fiends. Maybe, if the gun were a 4 star weapon, it could upgrade into different guns in the same manner os the alchemers do, and become a plain but higher powered gun, a poison gun, and fire gun, called the Loki (or Garmr), Jörmungandr, and Fenrir (or Surtr), respectively.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 10:35

#46

Indigoraven

I'm glad that you like the idea

Maybe an alternate line for ragnarok could be a freeze gun called Fimbulvinter, since all the freeze guns suck right now. Also the shield can be in the shape of a suitcase with money stuffed in it. It can also have a visual affect like the sealed swords, when you walk money appears behind you. Since we knights are too good for paper money, the bills would just disappear.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 11:05

#47

Romasanta

potential

A plain brief case sounds just a tad to silly for Spiral knights, but The idea for the money has some potential, though I'm not quite sure how to incorporate it into something else. Any ideas pertaining to the monetary visual effect, as it would apply to a different piece of gear?

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 11:26

#48

Beastlikethat

Maybe

Maybe the armor can have pockets filled with money?

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 11:55

#49

Parkermealey

awesome!

this sounds awesome. This should definitely happen.

Sun, 09/04/2011 - 12:02

#50

Parkermealey

awesome!

this sounds awesome. This should definitely happen.

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