Spiral Knights - Update Shadowsun Gunner armor to offer Medium Damage Bonus

Update Shadowsun Gunner armor to offer Medium Damage Bonus

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Sun, 10/02/2011 - 14:23

Rubyeclipse

Hey Three Rings (and players!),

This suggestion is to update the Shadowsun armor for Gunners to offer Medium Damage bonus for guns, bringing it in line with what Melee and Bombers already get with their armor choices.

In simplest comparison of 5* gear:

- Melee gets Medium Damage Bonus on Skolver.
- Bomber gets Medium Damage Bonus on Mad Bomber
- Gunner gets Low damage bonus on Shadowsun.

Does one of these three seem a little off-balanced? : )

Add to that the Shadowsun offers no real benefit to make up for only being Low, as it has strong negative resists to both Poison and to Curse. We'd like to see Gunners get a comparative set of armor, just like Melee and Bombers do.

Really appreciate your consideration or comment on this change. Thanks!

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 14:30

Rangerwillx

Lets do this!

Cmon guys! Lets all really give the devs some noise to make this happen!

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 15:26

Espira

As a gunner, I say this is a

As a gunner, I say this is a much needed change! Our whole gear line seems a bit odd, with TWO sets offering gun ASI med on both pieces, a universal damage med towards undead only, and then gun damage low? This would be a highly appreciated change!

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 15:53

Skybright

I whole heartily support and

I whole heartily support and endorse this (Stamp)!

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 20:24

Metamare

Metallic Knightmare

+1 Support

Unfortunately, these suggestions tend to be ignored but hopefully OOO will consider giving Shadowsun it's much deserved buff.

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 20:57

Plaguerider

+1 And I don't even play a

+1 And I don't even play a gunner. But I understand where you are coming from and I agree that this is an appropriate balance.

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 23:57

Dothackerduo

That's a pretty big oversight considering all the balancing OOO has done to the game. +1 support !

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 00:11

Arctic-Fern

As a gunner, I would still never use it, but I understand the balance issues it is facing.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 11:49

Greenlightning

:Mario eats a super mushroom: OOO's you need to upgrade this armor!!

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 16:29

Smashgear

This is a much needed change

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 21:27

#10

Ironfox

Also +1

I agree this is a much needed change for Gunners. Were they worried about the throughput vs survivability with this armor or something? Because most guns do less damage already, so I am puzzled as to why they left the damage bonus at low for both pieces. I really hope this suggestion taken under consideration.

Mon, 10/03/2011 - 23:27

#11

Ufana

Yes pls, that's the least

Yes pls, that's the least that should be changed about gunslinger armor.

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 10:05

#12

Avixi

I'd rather they remove the

I'd rather they remove the stupid Curse and Poison vulnerabilities on Shadowsun actually, and just call it a day.

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 10:16

#13

Orangeo

I can understand a curse

I can understand a curse weakness, since the only curse inflicting source is a sword, but it needs a buff. Guns need to be badly tweaked, so that they have versitile armor but also can't just kite enemies.

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:03

#14

Want

Heh..

I was going to ignore this but... I guess I wouldn't be holding up my gunner responsibilities if I didn't

Anyhow guns already do so little damage as it is.

Am tired, so long story short, I'm changing my charcter line to bomber.

It's sad how little gunners have besides polaris =/ and polaris is honestly fairly easy to dodge in pvp.

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:27

#15

Triplescrew

But im not using gunslinger's armors coz hats looks stupid IMO. Stranger's hat rocks http://www.wallpaperweb.org/wallpaper/games/1280x960/wallpaper_oddworld_...

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:41

#16

Bindi-Badgi

And whilst you are at it make each peice of the bombastic demo set (at the very least the helm) give med damage bonus and make it a actual viable option instead of 'lol'....

....and then there is the chaos set too.....

hmmm

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 13:13

#17

Vlad

+1, but what about Bombastic

+1, but what about Bombastic Demo?

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 14:08

#18

Milesprower

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 17:23

#19

Eagleorion

+1 I was thinking of getting

+1 I was thinking of getting a shadowsun stetson for costume. Sadly, that would be the only reason. And the only reason I pick it over nameless is because the name is cooler.

Tue, 10/04/2011 - 19:49

#20

Pteprocks

As a Gunslinger and owner of a Shadowsun Stetson, I approve!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 23:02

#21

Rubyeclipse

Thanks for all the great

Thanks for all the great support so far. Please spread the word and let's keep this topic rolling!

Mon, 10/10/2011 - 21:28

#22

Rangerwillx

Need more..

Bump. We need this, help us fellows!

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 08:36

#23

Steamcloud

Ruby is right this could use

Ruby is right this could use a boost

Sun, 10/16/2011 - 13:43

#24

Glowing-Ember

Hopefully someone at OOO is seeing all the support behind this.

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 03:02

#25

Rubyeclipse

Bump! Up you go, thread!

Bump! Up you go, thread! Let's keep the support going!

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 04:14

#26

Zephyrgon

Yes!!!

I personally don't own a set like this one but i have to concur that gunners are not in line with others.

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 05:34

#27

Ufana

Those all need balancing.

Those all need balancing. Which in their case means a boost. I'd suggest:
- shadowsun: med dmg guns, no status malus.
- chaos: low dmg everything, low ctr everything.
- bombastic: low dmg bombs, low ctr bombs.

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 10:55

#28

Spyash

i dont play a gunner but it is true it should be a damage bonus mediem but resons for it not to happen is guns are already quite powerful so i can see why they have not done this yet

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 13:01

#29

Happyapathy

+10000oooooo.......

we gunners need better gear!

Wed, 11/02/2011 - 18:35

#30

Hargbeast

Agreed. Gunslinger armors in

Agreed. Gunslinger armors in general need a BIG buff.

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 12:48

#31

Happyapathy

BUMP

BOOM! BUMP SHOT!

Thu, 11/03/2011 - 12:54

#32

Orangeo

I saw about half of the title and immediately decided to bump.
"+1, but what about Bombastic Demo?"
Lol, that should just get removed for gods sake. Look at the stat's for mercrucial demo; it's bombastic +low movement + very high ressist. If you translate that to UV's, thats like an ultra bonus.

Sat, 11/05/2011 - 22:44

#33

Happyapathy

poke

Sat, 11/05/2011 - 23:02

#34

Windsickle

I support all of these

I support all of these suggestions. Maybe give Bombastic a defensive boost too.

Sat, 11/05/2011 - 23:43

#35

Geregias

yes to all three sets getting a bonus

Sun, 11/06/2011 - 01:01

#36

Shidara

Right now, my Shadowsun Slicker is only used for costume along with the Authentic Phantom Mask and Chapeau of the Red Rose. A Medium Damage Bonus for Handguns is much needed.

Sun, 11/06/2011 - 06:21

#37

Polarxbg

100% agree and much needed!

Sun, 11/06/2011 - 11:54

#38

Novium

+1, but x2 medium might be a

+1, but x2 medium might be a little op. So make it that if ur wearing the two pieces you only get high, as if opposed to v. High

Sun, 11/06/2011 - 12:54

#39

Aumir

+1, and

+1 too to OP, also please do something about Bombastic Demo... xD

Sun, 11/06/2011 - 17:48

#40

Glowing-Ember

@Novium

Are you serious? Have you ever heard of "Skolver"? Or "Mad Bomber"?

Sun, 11/06/2011 - 18:39

#41

Trollingyou

I have no clue why the bonus is only low on this set.

@Spyash Swords are considerably stronger than guns, yet they get a medium damage boost and resistances. There is really no excuse.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 09:18

#42

Spyash

trollingyou

i found out recently why it is not done yet

if that was the case why have swords? guns already kill u 2 shot in pvp take polaris for example giv it a med damage bounus and you are invincible. swords are not stronger that guns if u cant get to the person u cant kill them with a sword buy a pulsar make it into polaris and taadaa u now win every game in pvp because you can run around a kill people with max health in 3 shots with out the armor giving you damage bounus low plus the polaris has a great knock back. if u think swords are good in lock down take this combanation gat a freeze bomb place it around you so when the strikers come in fast they freeze them selves and can not move or hit you and then you shot them since the can not move they then die you capture the flag and then can defend it on your own not dying securing points.

Mon, 11/07/2011 - 12:43

#43

Happyapathy

you either really suck at

your either really bad at lockdown or don't play it cause players are rarely dumb enough to stand still and let a polaris shot nail them.

if you do get frozen it doesn't matter if your opponent is armed with a putty knife, your dead.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 00:41

#44

Spyash

wow that was mean

well no thats not the case all u got to do is run in circles around the check point thing firing the stupid polaris it pushes you back so then u cant take the thing and it shocks you so if you do not have shock resist you die probably.what a putty knife id love to se some one who has a sword whos nowhere close to me kill me like what do u think im stupid enough to use a polaris in close combat while there frozen move back and shoot them polaris's shot do more damage the farther they go

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 04:55

#45

Zephyrgon

Gunners are so underpowered. They really deserve a nice buff. It's either the Wolver line is overpowered or other lines just suck in comparison.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 18:40

#46

Daiq

I can see why Low for gunners would be there, but I think it, stacked with piercing resistance AND negatives to two statuses is pushing it.

It could definitely use a buff, Med gun damage is worth one trinket slot, and with double max negatives on two statuses (for the set), that makes it inferior to even the other gunner armors, much less swordie armors.

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:25

#47

Happyapathy

This Dark Ritual

Necro Thread!

Thu, 11/24/2011 - 09:34

#48

Ufana

Zombie tread needs to die.

Zombie thread needs to die. The only way to kill it, is to update the Shadowsun armor for Gunners to offer Medium Damage bonus for guns. Pls.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 11:27

#49

Aus-Lagger

+1 SUPPORT !!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1 SUPPORT !!!!!!!!!!!!! RECTIFY THIS INJUSTICE!

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:46

#50

Rubyeclipse

Thank you for all the support

Thank you for all the support guys! Please spread the word and continue to tell your friends and others who feel the same to post!

Spyash - As someone who plays lockdown heavily, I completely disagree with your point about it making gunners "too" strong in PvP. If you're dying to Polaris, you just need to learn how to avoid it. Likewise, it's still entirely possible you're facing Gunners with MAX damage bonus on their guns right now. This change doesn't give gunners any new opportunities in lockdown, save for a free trinket slot - a benefit Melee and Bombers already get.

Not only does Skolver offer medium damage bonus, but if also gives you MAX Freeze resistance. Shadowsun gives you Negative MAX resistance to both poison and curse... and the only upside is the Low Damage Bonus.

Both pieces of Shadowsun -combined- are still not as worthwhile as a single piece of Skolver. That's the inherent problem here, and one that we're all hoping OOO will address (or at least comment on) in the near future.

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Update Shadowsun Gunner armor to offer Medium Damage Bonus