The issue with Blackhawk's range (pic)
So, 10/23/2011 - 19:03
Main pic:
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i472/Rawrcakelolol/skblackhawk.jpg
Pic showing it is not just the animation that is the issue:
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i472/Rawrcakelolol/crystaltest2.jpg
Pic showing that there is some unusual graphics in the animation (the black cloud behind you):
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i472/Rawrcakelolol/blackcloud.jpg
EDIT: Sorry for being dumb :3
I think I have found out the issue with Blackhawk's (Sentenza?) range. In this picture, I used orange dots to show where the shot animation begins. I used red dots to show where the shot animation ends. [Remember that shots aren't exactly at the same position every time (with Blackhawk at least) and the animation is also not always at the same position to begin with (again Blackhawk, not completely sure about AP)]. I used green lines to connect the two guns' animation positions both rising to the same position, then going back down to the neighboring shot animation position's spot. If you look at the Blackhawk's red and orange dot, the green line is a little to the left of both dots, making it slightly more accurate than it appears. To make sure these are accurate measurements, we used the arrow keys (not WASD) to directly line us up facing west. We then used "z" (by default) to shoot our guns, so our hand was not touching the mousing and altering the direction.
Orange dot / animation beginning: The animation, if you fire a blackhawk and look closely, actually does not start at the tip of the gun. It begins behind your knight, as you can see a purple line sticking out of your back (this is not shown in the pic).
Red dot / animation end: Where the shot reached, again it is not always the same for Blackhawk as shown in this picture. I am not sure if AP's standard bullets reach the exact same spot every time.
Green lines: Don't they look similar?
Sorry if this is no new news at all, but when people say the range is messed up this is what they meant :/ I am sorry I could not get the purple line sticking out of my back to show that the Blackhawk shot animation begins behind you. This range difference also exists between Silversix and Blackhawk. If I am incorrect on anything, please say so and thank you.
Thanks to Kissmydonkey for letting me compare my Blackhawk to AP :). If someone has a silversix / a sentenza and would like to let me compare that'd be great! in-game name same as this name I'm posting in.
Mo, 10/24/2011 - 17:33
#2
Ok, I'm sorry the pic doesn't
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So, 10/23/2011 - 19:45
#3
That link is to a local file
That link is to a local file on your hard drive, that's why it only works for you.
So, 10/23/2011 - 19:49
#4
Try to upload a shortcut to
Try to upload a shortcut to the image, I bet that will work since all you have to do is double click on it.
So, 10/23/2011 - 19:54
#5
http://i1095.photobucket.com/
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i472/Rawrcakelolol/skblackhawk.jpg
Am sorry here it is.
I'll be back tomorrow evening to check on this any questions etc. and will try what you suggested about auto-targetting as well.
So, 10/23/2011 - 20:34
#6
Hmm
What on earth... You have quite a sharp eye there. Might post this in Bug Reports too, maybe the Blackhawk's nerfed range isn't intentional afterall, especially if the gun's animation is starting behind the Knight.
Try shooting the gun in the ATH, can you explode a block that is a space behind you?
So, 10/23/2011 - 22:39
#7
What I said earlier is wrong,
What I said earlier is wrong, it happens when I use Callahan, but the Blackhawk's range is truly lower than the other antiguas. I'm not sure on the Sentenza's range, but the Blackhawk is definitely lower than the Silversix and Argent Peacemaker. Me and my friend tested it in training hall and he could hit things that I couldn't, standing in the exact same spot. Anything from boxes, to explosives and monsters.
Mo, 10/24/2011 - 17:06
#8
Ok, I'll be going to the
Ok, I'll be going to the advanced training hall to do some stuff, some you suggested harry, im going to try and get a pic with the purple line sticking out of my back so you can see what happens with it for any of you that do not have one / haven't already looked into this.
Unless someone else does i could get this in bug reports with other pics, I've got a photobucket account with all of these only and specifically so maybe soon.
ALSO! if you have a sentenza, it'd be nice to know how its range is compared to blackhawk!
Mo, 10/24/2011 - 17:09
#9
Ok, I have found out some
Ok, I have found out some part of the animation that gives a good pic to show the animation begins behind you.
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i472/Rawrcakelolol/blackcloud.jpg
soo why would there be a black cloud behind you? Please tell me if I should put this in the OP as part of the pictures showing blackhawk's range issue.
Mo, 10/24/2011 - 18:18
#10
Ok, me and Kissmydonkey got
Ok, me and Kissmydonkey got another one to show that it isn't just an animation issue:
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i472/Rawrcakelolol/crystaltest2.jpg
Di, 10/25/2011 - 01:44
#11
Greetings everyone! I'm a
Greetings everyone! I'm a Master Gunslinger that want to gain every gun ingame and know everything about them - so I sure already got Sentenza, so i also had a Blackhawk with the same issue. You will be amused after turning it to Sentenza. The Range of Blackhawk is just 6-7, never tried to test it why. I guessed it's a bug, since it wasnt allways like this. Since about 4 months its "bugged". How ever - Sentenza has a far range of 9-9.5 like Argent Piecemaker. So if you make it 5* you get a huge huge range buff.
You can add me ingame if i shall show you the difference
-greets! ^^
Di, 10/25/2011 - 05:21
#12
@ the hawk
Yeah it seems like the animation and projectile begin and end in a less desierable fashion than antigua or SS. I have vendored like 3 hawks now after taking the bait and then not getting the same results in acuracy, and that "snappy" feel that comes with fireing the antigua.
Its a shame imo, cause the antigua line is very very fun to use as a shootist, its just too limited in what it can do for me in a dps perspective.
~Luke
Di, 10/25/2011 - 05:24
#13
doublepost.
doublepost.
Di, 10/25/2011 - 06:15
#14
Yea the dps isnt that great.
Yea the dps isnt that great. I deal 120 with my AP per shot at FSC, not too high at all :/ But i'll often use it - just for fun, and its fun why i play this game.
Di, 10/25/2011 - 08:54
#15
Thanks Abathur! So now its
Thanks Abathur! So now its simply blackhawk with the issue
Mi, 10/26/2011 - 00:28
#16
Yea, you will gain a huge
Yea, you will gain a huge buff with Sentenza.
The link still doesn't work even when copy-pasted. Try uploading it to tinypic or another image hosting site.
Also, I'm sure it would make more sense once the picture is up, but what is the conclusion? You never really said what was the issue. What I'm getting from this is that the Blackhawk has less visual range when compared to the Argent Peacemaker. When not firing at an enemy this is the case, but when using auto-aim (and this happens without auto-aim but it's easier to test when using it) the shots go further than what is shown if you weren't in range. So the actual range of the gun is much further than what is appearing to you because of the messed up animation.
The same thing happens with the Magnus line, the bullets appear to explode very short, but when firing at an enemy the bullet reaches them. It also has the appearance that the bullet starts with it's trail in back of the shooter. Also, when comparing with another player, the game tends to mess up some of the animations it seems. (ex. Magnus bullets moving extremely fast, bullets look like they are moving further ect.)
I'd like you to test this again with an enemy, along with using auto-aim, since I'm not sure if this is the case with every gun. I'll see if I can get some pictures of the range difference with Callahan as well.