Spiral Knights - Cows & Cows & Cows

Cows & Cows & Cows

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Sat, 12/10/2011 - 13:30

Nacho

---------------------------------------------------------COWS------------------------------------------------------------
Cows are a new kind of beast that arrive to the clockworks. These are animals of the size of an alpha wolver that will ram from long distances to your knight.

Cows attack is almost the same of that from a slag guard with the difference that this monster is a beast, piercing damage, cows are tinier than slag guards and their attack is not that powerful. Just as slag guards cows charge and then stop, but cows dont have shield.

---------------------------------------------------------MILK------------------------------------------------------------
Cows also inflict a new status based on the mad milk from TF2 and has the same effect. Icon: http://imgur.com/1xqQ6
The name of the status would be either MILK or MAD-MILK, to make the reference to TF2 clear
Heres the vial, although its actually a bottle::
Tier 1: http://imgur.com/aWgNS
Tier 2: http://imgur.com/AMFwj
Tier 3: http://imgur.com/DBRMh

If you dont play TF2 let me explain how it works:

When an enemy is covered on milk everytime you hit it you will gain some health.
The "mad-milk" status isnt overpowered because:
-You can simply heal with pills, using this effect wont be much different from using a pill
-Bottles of milk would be just as rare as curse vials, i think those are less likely to appear but maybe im wrong.
-You can heal just as long as the monster lives or the effect fades away.
-You only get a percentage of health from the damage you do.

Cows inflicts you this status so you gotta be careful because they will recover health by hitting you.

Milk wont stack with fire or freeze.

---------------------------------------------------------COW ARMOUR------------------------------------------------------------
With this new monster comes a new armour that makes you resemble a cow.
The cow set have has three alchemy paths. The final cow armours are:

1- Chocolate cow armour
http://imgur.com/vnSwv
Abilities:
Health Bonus: +8
Movement Speed Decreased: Medium
Description: The Chocolate armour has one of the highest defenses. It has also the highest health bonus among armours, just 1 higher than the vitasuit deluxe. Its high defense slows its wearer tho. Fighting a cow with this armour is not recomendable. With its movement penalty is difficult to dodge cow´s attack, plus you are likely to get the milk status and unable to heal it because you are strong against the two status that dont stack with milk.

2- Strawberry cow armour
http://imgur.com/dZGWw
Abilities:
Movement Speed Increased: Low
Sword Attack Speed Increased: Low
Health penalty: -2
Description: This armour is for the hit and run. With this armour you and fiends are hand to hand in terms of speed. You gotta be careful while fighting other types of enemies tho, because of its low health.

3- Horchata cow armour
http://imgur.com/NqWrQ
Abilities:
Damage bonus vs. Construct: Medium
Sword Damage Bonus: Low
Description: This armour gives you and advantage against construct enemies. But to make use of the sword damage bonus you have to get closer to them and the lack of elemental defense of this armour leaves you exposed to gettin serious damage.

Notice that just the chocolate cow armour has health bonus, the abilities that were added to the Strawberry and Horchata armours take the place of the health bonus that other armours have.

---------------------------------------------------------Other Statuses------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks a lot Eviloddish, i was so blind. Why just milk when we can have a lot more awesome statuses.
I made out three more tell me what you think. This statuses are cow exclusive so only cows can inflict it.

Fizz
Icon: http://imgur.com/qyHnw
Tier 1: http://imgur.com/EQDHr
Tier 2: http://imgur.com/VeTrW
Tier 3: http://imgur.com/AD7sQ
Description: This works a lot like shock, the monster with fizz will have random spasms. Visually it will look a lot like poison, the one with fizz will be blowing bubbles. Sometimes a bubble pops inflicting damage, but if another enemy is standing near the one on fizz when the bubble pops it will get knockback and will get repelled. So basically its shock but instead of hurting adyacent monsters and spreading the status it pushes away other enemies. The knockback only works on allies so a monster with fizz will only push away monsters and a knight with this will push away teammates.

Juicy or Fruity
Icon: http://imgur.com/D3wL1
Tier 1: http://imgur.com/HMq18
Tier 2: http://imgur.com/Gz2ap
Tier 3: http://imgur.com/EbSoR
Description: When you throw a juicy or fruity vial to an enemy other enemies will see it as another knight and start attacking it too until the effect fades away. Knights with this status will take damage from friendly fire (less than on lockdown of course).

Cholate
Icon: http://imgur.com/JZDGJ
Tier 1: http://imgur.com/NWc2q
Tier 2: http://imgur.com/qwx4C
Tier 3: http://imgur.com/6jyCM
Description: When you throw chocolate to an enemy it will get covered with a layer of chocolate. The monster in chocolate will get its defense enhanced, it will be able to move freely but it will attack just 25% of the time. The same on knights, more defense but they will only attack a quarter of the times they press attack probably unabling combos but not charge attacks.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 14:40

Titanator

....are you serious? a cow?

....are you serious? a cow? that is the pinnacle of your imagination. I'm unimpressed

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 15:16

Krazehh

seems over powered

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 16:15

Oceanprince

There is no Cow Level

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSlGQpvl_IA

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:30

Nacho

I was talking with my friend

I was talking with my friend about why the gunslinger set is called like that and not just cowboy. He said that cowboy sounds sexist. I said What about cowperson. But that sounds like a person dressed as a cow. Who doesnt want to go around dressed as a cow? But if theres a cow set there must be a monster as well. And after various hours of thinking i got into the clonclusion that the monster that most resemble a cow resembling suit is a cow.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 01:03

Psychodestroyer

....

I don't talk to my food :P

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 02:20

Spiralsavior

lol

you guys are out of proportion and frankly it's called cow tipping XD LOL

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 03:23

Memento

hhm..

he probably meant a bull-like things
But don't we have enough stuff charging at us with trojans and slags?

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 05:40

Nacho

No i mean cows. Their attack

No i mean cows. Their attack will be like that of a kat, the kat travel a long distance and then bite. Cows will travel a long distance but hitting stuff while they run and at the end they wont bite.

Cows can also shoot a bullet just like kats, but this one is bigger and moves slowly.

New monster, new armour what else? NEW STATUS MILKED
If you play TF2 you know how this works. when you are milked and a monster hits you the monster will heal a little.
It comes not in a vial but in a bottle http://imgur.com/fmHvS

Milked sounds a little mmmm... wrong so i take suggestions for the name of the satus.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 08:39

Bobomaster

Milk-covered or Milk-soaked

Milk-covered or Milk-soaked status seems like what you're going for, seeing how you're making it like a Mad Milk

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 08:58

#10

Nacho

Honestly what you think about

Honestly what you think about the mad milk in spiral knights?
To me it doesnt seem overpowered since you can simply heal with pills.
Bottles of milk would be just as rare as curse ones, i think those are less likely to appear but maybe im wrong.
You can heal just as long as the monster lives or the effect fades away.
You only get a percentage of health from the damage you do.

It seems like it could work just well to me, but what you think?

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 09:10

#11

Bobomaster

It doesn't seem too over

It doesn't seem too over powered or begging to be abused. The effect should fade away, as you shouldn't be able to soak vana and just get free healing.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 10:57

#12

Myphenox

im scared cows are following

im scared cows are following me now, i see one everyday...

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 14:11

#13

Nacho

Thanks for the help bobo.

Thanks for the help bobo. Theres a SK helm on TF2, I believe that gives us the right to have a TF2 item. Mad-Milk sounds like a good name for the status, i dont think we should change it.

Sun, 12/11/2011 - 14:41

#14

Bobomaster

Mad-milks are cool and all,

Mad-milks are cool and all, but still, BONK! is so much moar awesome. But that's not relevant. Carry on.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 08:31

#15

Nacho

MOO!

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 10:55

#16

Zinco

the mad milk effect sounds a little overpowered

if you get healed for EVERY attack you hit, then, if you are with low health, just use one of theese "milk" vials and spam raiper(flourish, etc)/cutter/autogun attacks and you are in full health in no time.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 11:04

#17

Nacho

Read above i already

Read above i already explained why it isnt overpowered.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 12:19

#18

Asukalan

Its inappriopriate to place a

Its inappriopriate to place a Cow as enemy in international game since it will put game in conflict with religious ppl from India.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 13:11

#19

Nacho

Well ive seen cows in a lot

Well ive seen cows in a lot of MMO´s. I think it hasnt been a problem so far, just as christmas events and other stuff like easter.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 14:49

#20

Nicoya-Kitty

Some games put people as

Some games put people as enemies and we're not supposed to kill them in real life either.

Mon, 12/12/2011 - 15:35

#21

Nacho

Hey Nicoya whats your opinion

Hey Nicoya whats your opinion about the whole thing, i seen yo on forums and stuff and you spit truth. What you think??

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 00:28

#22

Nicoya-Kitty

Alternate healing mechanisms

Alternate healing mechanisms are kinda doomed from the get-go. I do like the idea of a charging enemy, though. Maybe give it lots of knockback and not much damage.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 13:03

#23

Nacho

Well what i tried is to put

Well what i tried is to put into practice an already existing status, it seemed like it could work in this game too, not as it is in the other game but i think that with some adjusts it would work just fine.

Regarding to the cows dealing "mad-milk". I wanted to make em more of a challenge. Its not an enemy that you just go straight to it and attack it, taking damage as well. Battling a cow will require shielding and evading skills.

MOO!

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 14:03

#24

Stavrosg

I approve this idea.

Tue, 12/13/2011 - 20:00

#25

Nacho

Thanks person who ive never

Thanks person who ive never seen. You look like a natural leader and a very clever individual

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:09

#26

Theozai

I like this. This game

I like this. This game deserves a TF2 reference, since TF2 is using the spiral sallet as a reward for playing this game on steam.

yay for Easter Eggs!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 01:33

#27

Ewbte

lol i like it. +1

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 06:09

#28

Nacho

Thanks for the support. Maybe

Thanks for the support. Maybe we could get this update by July 15 the cow apreciation day.
By the way ive come to the conclusion that the best two names for the status would be: MILK or MAD-MILK

Milk because the already existing status have names like: fire, freeze, shock and curse.
Theyre all nouns not actions nor adjectives.

Mad-milk because in TF2 they already have a SK helm, lets return em the favor and have an item from their game too.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:41

#29

Eisnayk

not too sure

I like the cow or bull stampede idea not too sure about the armor or mad-milk idea might be a little too much.

I want the bonk club from TF2. I would love to club something to death!

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 12:43

#30

Nacho

Milk would be a rare vial so

Milk would be a rare vial so people dont abuse this status. Cows will work like a gremlin healer, they will milk knights so other enemies can heal while hitting you. This will require skillz to evade enemies attacks and monsters wont recover when you are down.

You wont like to go around without any milk defense. Thats the why of the cow armour

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:29

#31

Dark-Flare

.__.

I'm lactose intolerant.

(jk)

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 14:54

#32

Xylka-Mkii

This isnt TF2... And how

This isnt TF2...
And how about instead of a cow we put in, say, A TORTODRONE!

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 08:30

#33

Nacho

In TF2 theres already an

In TF2 theres already an object that refers to Spiral Knights, Im just sayin that mad-milk would make a good status here in Spiral Knights with just some adjustments.

Nope, i think that cows are more likely to get into the game than tortodrones.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 09:10

#34

Round-Shinigami

Amazing idea! Chocolate cow

Amazing idea! Chocolate cow armor!
/sarcasm

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 10:18

#35

Gianfri

Can't wait.

Can't wait to inflict milk in lockdown. A striker healing on every hit.. Scary.

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 17:45

#36

Nacho

Well I already explained that

Well I already explained that a few times and its already on the post but anyway, milk only gives you a percentage of the damage you do in health. So no matter the speed of the weapon its about how much damage you do. And gettin health by milk wouldnt be different from gettin health by a pill.

You wont be able to use milk in lockdown since there are no milk weapons

Sat, 12/17/2011 - 18:13

#37

Dark-Flare

Compared to TF2,...

Spiral has a different feel than TF2. Adding milk would kind of ruin it. (in my opinion)

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 19:33

#38

Nacho

Its just an alternative

Its just an alternative healing method, how would it ruin the game?

Sun, 12/18/2011 - 19:35

#39

Xylka-Mkii

Its not Spiral-like, I think

Its not Spiral-like, I think he means. Different styles of everything, and i agree with him.

TF2 is crazy about promos and hats. Just because they gave a promo because Spiral Knights sided with Steam doesn't mean SK should incorporate even more of that game in here.

Perhaps instead make a healing sword?
Puppy Love.

I need to make a thread... brb

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:36

#40

Nacho

Yeah man i understand the

Yeah man i understand the whole stuff, but this suggestions isnt about making spiral knights like team fortress. The milk status is just an alternative healing method that, as the way i stated it would work, fits into the game. The milk is just a reference and i think we be missing the whole point when we starting comparing it to team fortress in every aspect.

A healing sword would be really overpowered, any non expiring healing methods would be op in this game. Thats why i said there wouldnt be milk inflicting weapons and it would come only in vials.

Just stop comparing it to team fortress, its just a reference, and start seeing it as it is, just another status. I would like to hear you opinions about the status itself, why do you think it would or wouldnt work?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 22:54

#41

Dark-Flare

As another status...why not?

A healing status would be cool. I think for a healing sword, some ideas: Heals team when you hit them (very little, maybe 1/2 a pip?) and is a very slow 2 hit sword. Also, either does no damage and some heavy knockback to monsters, or it actually heals monsters as well (use with caution!) Guns would be similar, maybe slow bullets like polaris to make it less spammable, etc. A bomb would be self explanatory, a good way to heal your whole party, risky cuz you might heal monsters.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 05:21

#42

Eviloddish

...

What about Apple Juice?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:00

#43

Nacho

Sorry no healing sword, them

Sorry no healing sword, them OOO already said that no healin weaps
They said no healing items at all but for the reasons i stated above this is a viable method, its not ovepowered and lasts just a little time

How would Apple Juice work?

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 07:56

#44

Markosmesh

Nice ideas

I like the idea of the cow, though it would probably need horns to justify piercing damage over normal (though then its more of a bull, I implement this idea below).

The mad milk concept can work for when the players are hit by it. Its more of a minor healing option for the monsters, as they have to connect with an attack to heal, and players don't have to chase down a mender or silkwing (making it easier for them as well).

However, the ability for players to heal when damaging the enemy is not so clear, mainly because of the multifaceted health system in the game. Firstly, the knights use a health pip setup. You can lose as little as a quarter of a pip in an attack. We deal damage to monsters in pure numbers, and they heal in numbers as well. This difference in damage style means that the percentage healing design wont be implemented. Also, the fact that monsters drop hearts for you to heal means that having both together will make you very hard to kill (I mean spare hearts on the ground is very common already)

The milk status could be a non vial status, much like sleep currently is a vial only status.

Lastly, the bull idea I mentioned earlier. There are 3 tiers, so you could design it like this:

Tier 1:
Young cow, no horns
Charge attack - Normal damage
3 second milk status on player on hit

Tier 2:
Mature cow, horns
Charge attack - Split Normal/Piercing damage
Can charge for a slightly longer distance
Lower cooldown between charges
5 second milk status on player on hit

Tier 3:
Bull, bigger horns
Charge attack - Piercing damage
Can charge for a slightly longer distance, also can turn slightly (45 degree arc) while charging
Lower cooldown between charges
7 second milk status on player on hit

Secondary attack - Stomp
Similar to the Trojans attack buff move, but it stuns instead of shocks.
Stomp move is used before some (but not all) charge attacks (much like how a bull IRL stomps its feet before charging). Note that being stunned will essentially make the subsequent charge unavoidable.

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 08:39

#45

Nacho

Thanks a lot for your

Thanks a lot for your contribution Markosmesh.
You totally got the idea of cows, but they have to be cows not bulls. The milk status on players so enemies can heal is already clear but players healing hitting a milk enemy is still possible. Even though we have bars as health i think theyre just a representation of the numbers, but if im wrong it is still viable.

For example in tier 1: Every 50 damage half a bar.

For a guy with a 5 star weapon it would only be only possible to heal a max of 3 bars while the milk status is on, see its kinda balanced.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 12:30

#46

Nacho

Thanks a lot Eviloddish, i

Thanks a lot Eviloddish, i was so blind. Why just milk when we can have a lot more awesome statuses.
I made out three more tell me what you think.

Fri, 12/23/2011 - 22:05

#47

Mrlalo

Mr Lalo isnt sure about Milk

Mr Lalo isnt sure about Milk and Fruity, they seem OP but maybe with some balanac they could work out. Mr Lalo likes chocolate, cows, the armour and fizz. ALthough fizz looks a little advertizing.

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 14:41

#48

Nacho

I couldnt think of any other

I couldnt think of any other way to portray fizz. I think milk is good as it is but youre right about fruity i might need to change that. MOO!!

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 15:11

#49

Aemicus

Why the self necro?

Mon, 01/16/2012 - 16:51

#50

Nacho

Im just not happy with the

Im just not happy with the current quantity of "cow content".

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