Spiral Knights - Patch Weapons for Lockdown, please.

Patch Weapons for Lockdown, please.

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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 17:50

Zave

I'd like to start out by asking everyone, "if you had to play a Lockdown game with one 5* weapon of your choosing, what would it be?"

Only problem is, I know that answer from almost all of you....
It's some version of a flourish, most likely a Final Flourish (FF, or toothpick) or a Barbarous Thorn Blade (BTB, or cattle brand).

I'd like to point out that i think the Grand Faust (GF) was ninja patched at some point and many people didn't even notice.
At one point the GF would two hit kill people. Now, even without shadow defense, it will leave about 1 health left after the 2nd hit with damage (dmg) boosts and no heart trinkets (<3 trink).

However, the Flourish line will do enough dmg to a person without <3 trinks to kill them outright on the 2nd hit with dmg boosts, even with a skolver coat but no piercing helm defense. This means that the flourish's do more base dmg and have a faster attack speed than a GF. Does that sound right to you? I'm not even mentioning that every GF swing can be interrupted by a flourish, sometimes after being displayed.

Now I've had one other major problem with Flourish's in Lockdown (LD) besides the dmg and speed. I've been hit when standing behind a flourish user. (this was a recon surprise attack many times.) could this be from the lunge animation, but a stationary hit box for damage?
Before you ask, no, this was not a one time thing and has occurred in both games with and without lag.

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A few other quirks I've noticed in LD.... (not all of them are bad, but you should know at least)

Polaris shots will explode on teammates in LD once they grow in size, not reaching their final range. (this can happen for other guns as well)

Gunshots can be canceled after being displayed if the gunner gets hit. (happens on slower bullets and only in a small time after shooting)

Most gunshots will be blocked by dead bodies. (mostly enemy bodies, but on occasion friendly ones as well)

Weapon charge will not be canceled for a second after the user has been hit. (actually this might be latency, but it's quite noticeable for recon's with surprise attacks) Make up your mind, have it cancel, or just automatically use it.

A guardian shield will not break if used a split second before each attack to be blocked. (mostly skill on the guards part, but can make them pretty much invincible) yes, I've had 7 of my GF hits blocked in a row without breaking.... no, it didn't end well for me.

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If you guys/gals have comments on things I've said here, you're welcome to add to the list or tell me I'm wrong.
If you have any ideas on creative ways to fix these problems, please share.

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 06:40

Good-Spirit

Agree. Last night I played 5

Agree. Last night I played 5 LD matches, the entire enemy team all 5 games had nothing but flourish line weapons. Got so boring I just stared bomb spamming RSS. Hopefully Variety in the next update...

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 10:11

Severage

Ah, Lockdown...

While it may be that GF got a ninja nerf, I think it's incredibly powerful still. And not just by itself.

I'm talking about how magically, guardians will attack, then shield, unshield, and attack again with the GF, basically making it have no attack speed concerns. Unless you're far away, a guardian can wipe out a team (And I've seen it happen to up to 3 players at a time before) with a GF. He simply shields, unshields, and swings, repeat. While he is vulnerable *during* the swings, a guardian has a load of HP, and a GF has a 200 degree (I swear it's not just 180) damage radius, and players don't know when he will unshield.

Although this could be used for any weapon whilst using a Guardian, the GF is the most noticeable because of its normally slow attack speed and high damage. In response to the nerf, I still get 2-hit by it unless I'm using a Guardian, but I don't have any trinkets or UVs that offer protection against it.

Concerning flourish lines, I must agree with you. The cattle brand is the world's worst at WORLD-RECORD LUNGES. I've never been hit by it while it was facing the other direction as you described, but I *have* been hit by it when it was very clear that the sword hardly reached half the distance between us. It's extremely hard to judge distance when you don't know if magically the sword will do a Sticky-Hand effect and attack at twice the range.

I play Blast Network instead of LD now, even though LD gets 90% of the PvP player base, just because LD is broken.

~Sev

Fri, 01/13/2012 - 15:42

Barrel-Titor

Until you give people the

Until you give people the real accurate numbers backed with screenshots of bonus vs uv resists + hp + hp trinkets, what you are doing now is merely speculating. Variety comes only for very skilled players who understand the essence of lockdown.

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Patch Weapons for Lockdown, please.