beware the guild of "dai gurren team" or something similar, today one member of them: Lexonous or Lexanous asked me 10k to craft me 2 equip items, putting materials, i was aware that it could be a scam but since i encountered only nice people in this game i decided to bet those 10k in a "scammer test", and i lost.
sadly, even here there are scammers. too bad.
be careful when you trade with this guild, don't trust them.
good game to all.
Is it grounds for a complaint against a player if they cheat you in a trade? Most games I play operate on a buyer beware basis, and that mods do not meddle in insecure transaction complaints.
If at the support portal.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Support_Portal
You click on "Reporting Players" It leads directly to this page with guide lines and definition to warrant reports.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Complain
Scamming is listed (insert below)
"Scamming — This is when a player is trying to trick you into doing something you shouldn't do. It includes asking for your account name & password, wanting to trade accounts with you, claiming to be someone that they are not, and other activities that may cause harm to your knight."
As scamming in their list does not contain a (*) next to its description it is a valid complaint option.
So with the question "Is it grounds for a complaint against a player if they cheat you in a trade"...Yes it most definitely is a grounds to do so, and I do hope more people become aware of these options at your disposal.
t could be possible your part of a bigger guild trying to tarnish and undermine smaller newer guilds so that you can gain more market and sale dominance.
Dai Gurren has been around from the start at least they where already pretty geared up by the time I started, I dont really think they're "new" or "smaller".
Honestly though they probably got a bad apple out of mass recruiting or something of the sort, I dont know their Recruitment policies so I wont say anymore but it happens its hardly the guilds fault for the particular incident.
"Wrong trade* — Because Game Masters can't know what the agreement with the trade was, they are not able to assist players in this aspect of the game and do not recover items for players. Try to talk to the other player and work it out instead. Please remember in the future to be careful and never trade anything away unless you would be okay with the other player not returning the item. "
I was always unsure about the complaint system, doesnt this mean that they do not do anything about what we know as 'scammers'?
Pretty much, I was actually wondering if the GMs would actually do something being scammed like that has almost become PART of the MMO experience if you ask me.
But like it said crafting scams and things like that are really hard to track and judge.
There will always be one or two blacksheep in a guild, you can't just tarnish a whole guild because of one.
Yes, you could have reported just the player alone instead of tarnishing the whole guild.
and if your intention is not to report the player alone, you would, instead, tarnish the whole guild as a whole. Which you did.
Well, the guild can't guarantee how a player will act. but you could
A) Pass him half the crowns, and say 'I'll pass you the rest when you have craft it'. After he has craft it, you can then pass the other half.
*This will at least reduce the cost of lost by half and this will show that you actually do trust the player to a certain extent in business
B) If the person disconnect, make sure he returns online within 5 minute. If not, add him as friend or you could contact members of the same guild.
*/1 will definitely help a lot and being patient is another key point.
C) If you intend to not do A nor B, remember to keep your name short and simple, such that it is easier for others to remember. Especially when the other party disconnects and you have problem remember the other parties name.
*as seen from above you weren't sure how his name is being spelt.
D) If all else doesn't fit your taste, DON'T ever do a trade if your have the feeling that it's a Scammer BECAUSE there are many various other players out whom can provide the same service.
*Don't try to be smart to scammers, the world have a number of nasty people and not everyone is always good.
I do not think that repaying you would be sensible in any case, since it's the individual player's responsibility and not the guild.
no, i'm not the Game Master of this guild. Just giving the possible action you can do to prevent yourself from any more scam <- edit, added
-Syor, Team Dai Gurren.
If a guild is so indescriminate about its membership it has trade scammers and the like in it, it's tarnishing itself. I see no problem in helping it do so. Moreover, even if the GMs do not do anything about the scammer, the guild can at least take the person out of their roster.
Every guild assumes direct responsibility for every single member wearing the tag. Conduct by each member identifies the guild to non-guild members, whether it's "proper" behavior or not. If someone has negative experiences with members of a guild, they will more than likely associate those problems with the guild as a whole. This is how pretty much every form of self-identifying community on earth functions.
One bad egg ruins the whole bunch.
Next time use this:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/2959
In the mean time, no one has ever complained when I crafted them anything.
I see this as the standard guild drama starting in this game, I thought people would at least wait until PVP (is re-released).
And the language that the opening poster used is iffy at best. "10k for 2 equip items", you generally don't see tips worth that much, least of all anything at the three star level or before (as if this was a 4 star equipment, the price would probably be even more). You don't say what items they were or any actual other facts about the transition, you just name a name and say go on. I could do the same for any guild =T
Hah, I was scammed today by the same person, also 10k for crafting. I waited for him a while and after about half an hour talked with him. He said it was his friend who did this and he didn't know anything himself. Dunno if it was truth or if he just got scared of report, but he did return me all the crowns without hesitation, so I suggest you do the same...
I recall that he crafted something for me earlier so maybe it WAS a truth after all... good luck with retrievieng money anyway ;)
Rule of Thumb: a player in a guild that does mass recruiting is on the same level as a player with no guild at all, and should be handled as skeptically as possible.
Also, sasano, they are relatively new versus much older guilds dating back before release.
I'm a part of Team Dai Gurren, and I play as Theory ingame, who is this scammer you're talking about? I've never even seen him log in (but then again I haven't really bothered to check all the members anyway).
Besides, wouldn't you be upset if someone is trying to get people to stop trading with you because someone else in your guild is a dickwad? what kind of a philosophy is that?
If you get scammed, REPORT it, don't WHINE about it.
Well, if we can do that, we would, but Game Master and Officer aren't online and we still need to really clarify things with the guy within the guild, when he comes online ,like what chuckek did.
Quote Magnus.
I generally never trust those 'mass-recruit' guilds anyhow.
TDG has a recruiting thread. One with zero requisites to join. However, one particular line is comically related to this thread.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/1793
"We aren't looking for bottom feeders."
A+
You SHOULD get upset. But you should get upset at the people in your guild trying to scam others while wearing your guild's name. You SHOULD do something about those individuals.
This is why mass recruit guilds have issues, there is no filtration system so you end up with a horrible reputation because you are essentially filling your ranks with the very bottom feeders that you claim to not want. If you are worried about your image, do something about it, be responsible and take care of the issue. Do what pretty much every other guild would do in this situation confront the offender, get their side of the story, investigate a little and then make a decision to rectify the situation and prevent it from happening again.
And as Magnus said, Whining is not the same thing as Warning. You aren't helping the image of your guild at all by trying to blame the victim.
Hi I'm Uknowhoo one of the guild masters for team dai gurren. I want to thank everyone for their concern. I do appreciate this thread being started so we know that there is a problem....was a problem Lexaneous is no longer part of our guild. On behalf of Dai Gurren I would like to apologize to all victims of this hyaenas malice.
We are now putting together relief efforts to make sure that you are reimbursed for any damages occurred please seek online members for further details. (we also know there were only 5 to 7 victims so don't scam us).
Lexaneous was an original member from beta so this is a very dark day for Dai Gurren, you never know the true character of a player until something like this hits. But know that Dai Gurren and it's players do not tolerate this type of action and were devastated by the tarnishment to the name. This has upset my morning coffee and I will need to get two more cups (what?). My point is don't ever question the name of my guild, next time bring it to any member and I guaranty it will be handled with due justice.
If you haven't got the message we care about other members just as much as we care for members in our own guild. That's what makes Dai Gurren so special that's why it seems we do some sort of mass recruiting but the truth is, we do mass helping and that's our goal.
To: Magnus, you're a hater. You've always been a hater. You will always be a hater. I can't wait to meet you on some pvp.
To all others just as quick as you were to jump on the band wagon to tarnish Dai Gurren, jump off, you don't know who the hell we are.
We will now do everything in our power to make sure lexaneous does nothing like this to anyone again by helping put out the warning that this guy is trouble.
signed in love your knight....Uknow
Now THAT is the appropriate response.
*Edit* Hoosonova that is, not djbiznatch.
A) That guild thread hasn't been posted on for 15 days, long enough for it to reach the bottom of that part of the forum, and I'm quite sure no one would look at it. As for our guild website it hasn't been updated for a while either.
B) We aren't a mass recruit guild from what I can tell. All the people we've recruited recently were friends of friends or family.
C) We ARE upset at him. We ARE ALSO upset at others just lumping us together.
Example: Just because one person in a school is a slob, does that mean everyone else is one? Unless that one slob has a parasitic virus that transfers through the air and turns everyone else into one, no, that is not true. If you apply that logic to real life, we wouldn't have a LOT of the presidents we've had today. Heck, we wouldn't be where we are in terms of society.
We haven't been ABLE to confront Lex. As far as I know, he isn't a bad guy. Look at the right part of this image, see who's standing next to me (I'm Sentiment)
http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu243/tlxbeloved/gm_monsters-1.png
He was with us since Preview. I personally don't think people would change like that so quickly.
i mean its nice that they booted the guy but c'mon. way to take internet games too seriously.
"dark day".. "what makes us special"
give me a break!
<-- guildless for life**
(**unless they add some guild only features then I might have to change my tune lol)
Use the complain feature if someone scams you, even if it's a trade scam. Yes, you should have known better (don't trade with strangers unless you expect no further trades) and you might not get your stuff back, but you should still send a complaint so the GMs can look into it.
Offering to craft an item for someone in exchange for materials, crowns and energy and then running away is a scam and will result in the person being banned. If this happens, please send in a complaint right away so we can investigate. If the person is logged off, you can type /complain {knight name + reason} We recommend you only trade for crafting with people you trust.
A wrong trade would be putting the wrong item into a trade and not noticing right away. We will not undo trades that are made between players - make sure you check everything is correct before you click confirm!
Alter, you have every right to be angry. However, to call us all "scammers" is a gross distortion of facts and vicious act of defamation.
What was done to you is wrong and has made us all sick to our stomachs. His actions are NOT representative of our guild as a whole. I do not know of this member personally, but many of us feel your pain. As has been said by Cantus, we have not had the opportunity to confront Lex about his actions. Though I have little wealth and even less that I can spare, I shall personally offer you compensation in the amount of the 10k which you have stated as follows:
"...Lexonous or Lexanous asked me 10k to craft me 2 equip items, putting materials, i was aware that it could be a scam but since i encountered only nice people in this game i decided to bet those 10k in a "scammer test", and i lost."
The amount will be wired to you through mail once I know your character name, since I do not want to send 10k to the wrong account. My fellow teammates such as Syor and others are also helping less fortunate victims as we speak.
Let it be known that Dai Gurren is a guild founded in a system of honor, trust and comradery. Contrary to what most of you believe, admittance into our legion is highly exclusive, as we are at maximum capacity and all new members are interviewed (along with recommendations) before they have a chance to join us. The post that Hazel has quoted was from before the guild had shaped up to the way it has today. Currently, we are a legion a hundred strong, built around system of mutual trust and friendship. I am not the founder, nor the leader. I am a humble member of the guild, giving what I can and helping those who are in need, regardless of whether or not they are affiliated with us or not. And I am sure all my comrades feel the same way.
It is our sincerest hope that this will be the very last time this will ever happen, as all of our current members have all proven themselves in one way or another. On behalf of the Team, we offer you condolences and reparations, but would like to reaffirm that this debacle is not reflective of our people in any way. The guild is formed by members who are united by an indomitable passion and the unshakable bonds of brotherhood. We are friendly and we are here to help where and when we can, but most of all, we do not tolerate those who seek to harm others.
Thunderslam. Member of Team Dai Gurren.
@xXAltarXx, Hazel, Magnus, Zedoshi, Delphinidaes:
The needless badmouthing is kinda immature, don't you think?
"The needless badmouthing is kinda immature, don't you think?"
I don't recall badmouthing anyone. I indicated that it is entirely the guild's function to manage the players wearing its tag, which is factual, not opinion. If you don't want your guild slandered, don't have bad people in it. One bad person doing something bad with your guild tag on will make people think your guild accomodates, participates in, or generally approves of bad behavior.
Fact. Not opinion, not badmouthing. The more you know!
From the tone of your posts, what you're saying sounds something like this:
Because it took a whole 7 hours after the incident coming to light for someone who had the authority to expel the scammer to login and do the deed, we're not even capable of doing something as simple as managing the guild efficiently, which is tarnishing the guild name. Oh, and you assumed that the guild's recruitment process was indiscriminate.
I don't know if I'm just reading it wrong but it sounds like badmouthing to me.
I wasn't all that concerned about someone logging in and kicking the person. My issue was with people who thought the guild shouldn't be held responsible, so I played the role of a reality check for those misguided individuals. I couldn't be more neutral on the situation, to be honest. I don't care about TDG, never met anyone from it. I'm just not going to be satisfied with people thinking that it isn't their responsibility to manage every single member in the guild as if they were a walking poster for the guild, because they are.
My posts are largely in the hopes that your guild(and anyone in any guild reading this) will be more thorough from now on, regardless of whatever you think is or is not your responsibility, so as to limit the amount of guild drama occurring so early on in the game's release. Surely you, and every member of your guild, could agree that more spectacles brought against them would not be beneficial to your image any more than this one was at its apex.
But if you figured that as badmouthing, that's cool, too. Wrong, but cool.
gosh this place isn't like NSO...not enough extra threads...
@Thunderslam and all the Dai Gurren team,
my in game name is Altar, i'm glad to see that Lexanous (or whathever his name was) was just a bad apple and that your guild seems a nice group of players. i'll offer you my apologize for calling your entire guild "scammers" but if you manage one guild, you know that the behaviour of someone wearing a tag, reflects on the tag itself. after said this, i accept the compensation offered and i wish you to grow as a guild of good players, leaving out who do not deserve to be your comrade.
good luck and good game to your team. hoping to see you for a dungeon run together maybe :)
Altar, you might consider editing the OP subject and adding to the original post a footnote indicating the issue had been resolved (although I would leave the original message body intact). The subject line "Dai Gurren Scammers" makes a statement that many players may not look deeper into.
I agree with you hazel, unfortunately there are people who will group us all together as culprits and everyone should be aware of that. That's why once it was brought to my immediate attention I made sure it was taken care of.
Altar I understand where it was coming from because someone jacking you that you were trying to trust is extremely frustrating so don't feel bad. If you hadn't brought it to our attention he might have made it even worse on all of us.
Djbitch (sorry I don't do Ebonics), thanks for giving your pointless opinion and we take into consideration how maybe we are taking guilds to seriously. We like the game and all this (believe it or not) is part of the play. Some of us just have the capacity for deeper involvement than others.
By the way this is Uknowhoo and Team Dai Gurren is the best..........................................Magnus your still a hater.
Thank you Zed, Delphi, Hazel.
As for Hoos, Awe, how is calling a guild that mass recruited since the game first went live a 'mass-recruit guild' badmouthing? That's pretty much exactly what you guys went for! (Also I wouldn't try and say you're "the best" in this topic specifically.)
Okay, I admit defeat.
Neither of you were badmouthing the guild; you just found an opportunity to act elitist and condescending and jumped on it.
Sorry.
"A capacity for deeper involvement" ... I assume thats not a mental one then. Talk about snide comments. Also, "ebonics"? Really? Das racist.
My opinion, pointless as it may be, still stands.
See, now you're badmouthing NOT mass recruiting.
This is getting silly.
Clearly the guild is filled with liars, cheaters and scammers.
Now this is the type of professionalism that I like to see in guilds when they relate to the public, it actually gives me hope for the guild system in this game. I'm normally a soloist but seeing the attitude from Uknowhoo, I'd be proud to be in the guild. Awesome that the guild is working to keep an awesome status. A good game starts with a good community after all. I go by Dissius in-game if anyone is looking for a chat buddy while dungeon romping.
~Dissius
Awesomest, I don't know if you are part of DGT, but if you are you certainly are not helping their image.
The guild leader already posted and said the issue was taken care of. I even praised him for handling it appropriately. I did not at any time badmouth anyone, and I was not being condescending.
What I WAS doing was making a point that a guild is very much responsible for the people they keep, every member is certainly a representative of the guild, and if someone is acting in a manner that your guild does not condone they should be removed. Which is precisely what DTG did.
Just because someone disagrees on something or makes a point on an issue does not mean they are being immature. Your responses certainly are examples of badmouthing people though. I have no problem with DGT and quite to the contrary my opinion of them has become more positive with the leader's response to this thread.
YOUR response however, makes me wonder if I should reevaluate my opinion.
Well, I don't know anything about Dai Gurren ... but they do have a pretty cool guild name from an anime not many people have seen - so they're cool in my book :P
Barcs you must be high. DGL is one of the most popular animes there is. I can't think of a single person I know that has seen anime (excluding Sailor Moon, Naruto and Bleach) that hasn't seen it.
I dunno dude, I live in Japan ... there is a lot of other stuff thats way more popular out here ... especially if you talk to my HS kids not many of them will give an eff about dai gurren laagan ... i only watched it cos a friend reccomended it to me, and it was definetly not what i was expecting from what they said. But it could be way more popular than I've experienced...
I would like to apologize on my part of miscommunication.
On the contrary to what you believe we've been mass recruiting since beta (get your facts right) and in actuality by the time SK went live over half of the members we had in beta were returning members thus making the truth: by the time the game went live we were an elite following of specific members. It's also the reason why I rallied so hard for them to increase guild numbers (which is why you should know me so famously). Till now I never gave a here nor there on putting a label on how we recruit (and honestly you shouldn't be able to either). It's not your business.
To specifically answer you question........HUH? Meaning if you look back I wasn't the one who mentioned anything about badmouthing I said, (in so many words) for an alternative let the guild know if a member has done you wrong instead of posting here first because Dai Gurren is just cool enough where you can do that. I can tell by your exclamation mark that you are highly excited when responding to me, "!" But I do believe that you read someone else's post and got it mixed with mine, I believe the response you were looking for towards me was *ahem* You're right Hoo I have been a hater and I just can't control myself, if at all my hating has caused you any grief I apologize and will delete my character immediately!! (emphasis on the exclamation marks). To respond to that, that's not necessary my dear man, just try and keep the hating down when I'm talking and be more mindful of what your fingers are typing. (note: way too much time spent on this guy)
Paska: thank you for you're uneducated opinion and stereotyping. You and Magnus should get together and have coffee sometime.
Dissius: thank you, for recognizing through all this that yes, we are trying to do some good, correct some wrongs and initially make this a better game for all. I advocate for the guild system to be more detailed because I want the game play to be enhanced with the ones you play closest with.
Delphinidaes: I apologize for the meaningless debate on your intentions I'm not sure if it's coming from a guild member or not either, just know if it is, they are simply making sure that our name is being cleared and do not want to tolerate anyone speaking about us based off of as we know one bad apple. With that I ask our members or any player not to badmouth people who are just concerned. Them and their opinions are important and valid.
Barcs and Dashiva: doesn't magnus remind you of the old guy who wanted to keep the members underground and at a certain number cause his fake religion was telling him to do so. aww what a show!
Oh almost forgot most importantly DJ whatever....: No I did not mean mentally, though with your statement about what I said on ebonics being racist, I can see why you would stay away from joining a guild if it did. And I hope you don't associate ebonics with being black because....well....that would be racist. and biznatch isn't even really considered ebonics. I just wanted you to realize it's stupid and if any of, I'm sorry if your "black friend" is using it tell him it's not cool, and the rest of us african americans do not think it's funny that he's teaching you silly words. And I apologize for being snug......you make it easy.
Hoo, are you really trying to suggest Magnus is trying to keep us all from self-destruction because he used to be a war hero that tried to save us from a terrible terrible threat and knows far more about what we're about to face than we do ... does his ego really need that? :P (i'm totally joking about by the way, I know tone is hard to judge in written stuff and people seem to take offence really easily about stuff...)
Edit: Oh wait, the religiony guy, just remembered who you are talking about, ignore the above...
Who the hell do you think I am!! ~Gurren Laggan That's for my ego.
the famously remark was only for magnus who has responded to me before in a different thread, but you do know me now I'll get famous to you later :)
The problem we are having has absolutely nothing to do with our recruiting tactics, it has to do with one player who was an awesome ally, doing the wrong thing that we as a guild do not tolerate. To put it into perspective (and this is for the whole general out look on what this thread has been about) It's like saying watch out for people who aren't in guilds because they're all scammers if of coarse lexaneous did not have a guild at the time he was doing the scamming, Then continuing with the people who are allowed to play this game should be under more scrutiny because it's making everyone who is allowed to play look bad. (Do you see what I'm getting at?)
LMAO I don't idol mag, so he's not one to me and me nor my guild need to look up to him in anyway, believe or not I appreciate his opinion too, the fact stands though your idol is a.....well you know.
I didn't and no I'm not mentally handicapped in anyway that I know of. Thank you for your concern zed.
Perhaps it would be best to undertake a complaint with the game staff about the player in question, at the support portal.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Support_Portal
Rather then name calling and tarnishing an entire guild as being 'scammers' when only one person if any might be responsible for such things. It could be possible your part of a bigger guild trying to tarnish and undermine smaller newer guilds so that you can gain more market and sale dominance.
But whatever the case maybe, it is far more mature and best to tell the people who run this game itself and keep matters private, then run around crying wolf.
Also for anyone remember the old saying "if its to good to be true"