please,

don't

Yes, Hall of heroes completly ruins basil recipe buissnes. Maybe now there are just bunch of weak recipes but in future when T3 missions will come out there will be no point in buying and reselling recipes, recipes section of AH can be removed.

Reselling recipes was one of the reare opportunities to mid ranged knights to get some extra money from reselling them, now they are left with usual grind for money.

Or at least make it that you can only wisit Hall of Heroes once, and you cant come back there later.

If anyone can think of some sort of rare thing for Basil to have.... like maybe 1/10 times he'll have an Accessory for sale?
The same rules of joining late = cannot buy would apply. Any thoughts?
(I'd also probably make the chance separate per player, so you don't have x4 of an accessory showing up all at once, and colors would be different).

Reselling recipes was always a risky and low-profit endeavour. I'm not sad to see it go.

That said, I haven't seen any recipes in the hall for boss token item upgrades. (unless I somehow overlooked them)

I really don't think this should go. This helps new players find the recipes they need without endless searching or having to grind more crowns because people feel the need to resell at a markup.

There's two sides to this; you're saying this makes the few who sell recipes lose their business but the people gain from not having to participate in that business. Honestly it reminds me of the day before the auction house when people had to pay out extra crowns to find materials. Sure, someone could bank on it, but only at the expense of the new or average player.

Vatel already sells personal color changes, a similar side-product could be sold by Kozma and Basil.

In keeping with the idea the clockworks are the 'wilds' and the terminal is a rest stop, Basil could sell:
-Vitapods and vials/capsules
-Offer one-off missions like, "Bring me a Brute Core, for X prestige and 200 crown".
-Sell materials
-Sell 'adventurer accessories'
-Sell weapon-boosts*

Kozma, I don't know, s/he seems redundant since most of all the recipes you would buy [baring the top most] can be gotten from the Hall. Still, they could:
-Offer one-off missions,
-Sell Crests

*Like a Vitapod, it could offer a temporary UV of damage against a monster, like damage increases against beast or gremlin: low. Maybe better to have just the one [low], like a remedy capsule, to avoid overpowering players even further.

Overall, I think the Hall of Heroes is interesting, binding on purchase helps enforce the idea that you buy what you want because you want to make it.

Yep, he did. That patch has already happened I believe lol.

~Sev

3 rings is making such horrible decisiosn lately

Only boss-related recipes and Krogmo-based recipes are Basil only.

Every other existing recipe can be gotten from HoH.

That's not "a lot of them", honestly; and Krogmo-based ones can't be sold.

~Sev

Eh... i guess it kinda ruins business, but im still making some good money selling boss token upgrades. just sold an Argent Peacemaker recipe for 40k.
I never really bought most of that stuff anyway, it was to risky, time consuming and didn't give much profit, i only and still only buy the most popular boss token upgrades to re-sell. But it would be nice to give basil a bit more use, like every time you find him he's looking for a certain material and you can give it to him for a decent amount of crowns. Oh and i liked that idea of him having a small chance of selling an accessory. Why not make some basil-only accessories that you can only find 1/100 times you go down into the clockworks.

if they cost twice the price as Basil does, ppl still will want it removed to sell it for 3x or more, just like now

again, HoH is one of the best things OOO made to this game.

Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about.

Besides Wolver-line recipes, and a few select others, almost all the recipes from Basil were so over-bought/sold that they were usually only a couple thousand crowns above Basil's price.

The one and only issue with Basil's inventory is it was so random, and it caused specific recipes to not show up for many runs in the CW, making certain recipes more rare than others for no good reason; thus making people inclined to sell it for a higher price.

But really, most of the recipes were very close to Basil's price.

~Sev

Maybe you could lower the cost of Basil's recipes by... oh about 10% (except for basil-only recipes, which will still be offered full price.) That way people can sell valuable recipes for a small amount of profit, people will be rewarded for visiting basil, and newbies who want their gear now can still get their gear at the Hall of Heroes.

Everyone wins. (=

you should check the AH more times... about EVERY recipe in there is overpriced. maybe not in starting bid, but later, when the auction is about to end.

but basically, pulsar upgrades, voltedge, antigua and ancient sword upgrades, catalyzer upgrades... all very good weapons and you cant find recipes in HoH. to not mention, of course, the token equips.

yeah, i know its hard to spend time and energy going down lots of floors and in the end find only 'bad' recipes, but you cant say its totally ok to remove HoH just because ppl wanna make HIGH profit with them.

its not even profit, its HIGH profit, a few times the recipe price iteself.

if prices were reasonable, about 50% more than original price, i would agree.

but a 3* recipe for 30k...

i know cuz i wanted a twisted targe recipe (still looking for it).

then i bid on it, it was about 6k.

today i loged and i was outbid, the price it was sold? 26k

still, if some1 paid that much probly means it was the lower price in AH.

well, there were 3 when i bid, 2 for 6.3k or something and a third for 12k.

so i guess all 3 were sold by that price. also im looking for it always, its always this price.

edit: right now Twisted Targe buyout prices

16k, 18k, 25, 27k

for a 4k recipe. the lower is 4x the original price, lol

that is not the point.

the point is ppl who wants the HoH to be removed from the game to keep selling recipes for abusive prices, i just pointed one which is the one that im seeking now.

im NOT buying for that price, but would be cool to find some1 selling for a reasonable price. which i think that is about 6~7k (50% more than the original, 4k).

Recipe fishing with Basil on the whole is less profitable, so people do it less, so supply shrinks. Supply shrinks but demand stays the same, so prices go up.

If you stop and think about it, Hall of Heroes probably drove the resale prices for Twisted Targe *up*.

I made a lotta crowns reselling recipes right up to the introduction of the Hall of Heroes, but I always checked what prices everyone else was offering, and they were not all as ridiculous as shion-sinx claims. Lowest prices for a Twisted Targe recipe pre-Hall were 7-8k.

I stayed away from 4-star recipes generally 'cause even the popular ones like Avenger did not consistently get a good return on the investment - offering one at a buyout of 30k would have been a near-guarantee that 6 guys undercut your price and your auction would go untouched when time expired.

I miss that revenue stream but i've gone on to crafting stuff anyway. Long live the Hall.

The ONLY reason you'd ever want to go to the arcade right now is Basil.

Missions are better in every other way, besides lil things like a Prize Wheel.

~Sev

makes sense, but i dont think its like you are actually LOSING for going down the clockworks.

like i said, you still get money and mats, so its a 1x1, with the plus you can find recipes.

For example, grey owlite was much in demand. So was the shivermist line. And, if memories serve, blitz line.

Those are now hall recipes.

Why would you do that unless you were looking for a Boss token item? All the others are in HoH.

So yeah, people do, but only looking for recipes that are already expensive in the AH.

~Sev