Give all normal damage weapons critical chance to deal extra damage.

The pepperbox is fine, although it COULD use a bit higher damage, or stronger fire. I'd move it down a bit, its not as broken as people say... but thats just me. I like my pepperbox knockback. Fighting mecha knights with it has changed me.

I don't have an iron slug, so I don't know if its actually bad or not, winmillion is just awful in terms of damage, and needs a buff, especially on its charge, and the devs hate sudaruska/triglav almost as much as they hate gunners, so...

Speaking of Triglav, I made a jalovec. I died of laughter at how awful it is... its like, you farm those stupid token things against people who zoom about and beat you to death with toothpics, and then finally afford the recipe after losing 100 games and getting a friend to craft your troika up a level.... and you get a sword that-
-Is slower than DA/GF
-Has less damage than DA/GF
-Randomly freezes enemies such that they attack you in the face... but very rarely, its like playing russian roulette but with a lesser probabillity..
-Has an unreliable charge, which freezes things about 50% of the time (Note, am making numbers up), and on top of missing/getting you killed, doesn't do all that much damage.
-Is 100% outclassed by sudaruska, which is 100 times easier to earn and is still weaker than the sealed sword variants.

Demeaning, at best. My new favorite, it is... I love the challenge of using items that are made intentionally to punish the player.

And on the issue of "I hope the devs read this"- they didn't acknowledge or fully go through with the other "buff this weapon" threads, although they did hint at fixing the iron slug, and they did do a number on the antigua variants. However, they also messed up the pepperbox, and buffed the brandishes, which were already good.

Please do not get rid of normal damage weapons. I want to continue running as a two-weapon hybrid, and special type weapons are terrible for two-weapon hybrids.

Anyway, normal damage is balanced. Normal damage works on everything, but the tradeoff is it doesn't do as much damage. That's the way it should be. If normal damage weapons did more damage then no one would run with special weapons since normal damage would work on everything and special weapons would only work on some enemies.

No idea what you guys are all saying, but it seems A LOT of people agree normal damage weapons need a buff. And i like plan on getting some of these like a levi, sudarusaka, supernova, and neutralizer, cuz i dont like all that fancy specical damage stuff unless its like darkness and stuffz :3

So um... free bumb from Serell at a time a time you don't need it. Enjoy :P

The devs for the most part do not like the idea of weapon buffs. Just give up.

I hear what you are saying. Normal damage is fairly weak compared to special damage. It would be nice if normal damage got a buff. But normal damage doesn't need one. It is balanced. The whole dilemma of whether to take special weapons or normal weapons revolves around reliability vs damage output. If you want a weapon that will damage everything then take normal damage. If you want to sacrifice damage on some monsters to get higher damage against other monsters then go with special weapons.

But, if you do take a special weapon then you'll have a trade off to make. Maybe you will specialize in one type of weapon. (For instance, you may take a divine avenger and a grand faust and become a pure swordsman.) You may take two different types of special weapons (like a final flourish and a argent peacemaker) and hope you can handle what the level throws at you. Maybe you will unlock extra weapon slots so that you can spend 2 weapon slots to fill the roll of one normal damage weapon and retain both your higher damage output and your ability to use different types of weapons.

Currently, these are all options available to the player, and every player customizes their arsenal to suit their particular play style. But, all of this will be lost if you buff normal damage. If you buff normal damage then there will be no reason to take anything else. You would just take normal damage because it has high damage output and damages everything. You will never have to change your weapons between runs. You would see everyone running around with valiances and levithan blades (in addition to having wolver gear.) Normal damage will become the vog cub/grey owlite shield combo of a half a year ago.

In short, I believe that buffing normal damage would lead to a less fulfilling and less varied gameplay experience. It's a nice idea, but I do not think it should happen.

erm... i see what your saying twiddle .. but...

the thing is. that as of now, we can have 2 weapon slots free... this gives us the ability to equip 2 different special damage weapons, thus being able to deal CRITICAL damage to FOUR monster types, and a regular amount of damage on 2 of them...

compare that to equipping 2 normal damage weapons .... you do a regular amount of damage to all monsters in this case... no exceptions...

its an obvious choice :/ its not very often that you see normal damage weapons in anything above t1

BUT

another reason is that , it just so happens that alot of normal damage wepons lack in damage, and may not even have a special damage counterpart... ie. Calibur, Troika, Striker, Blast bomb, You get my gist?

(well i mean blast bomb is not bad except for the lines other than Nitronome, the others need more utility... but thats not what this tread is about)

Having normal damage do than a neglegable amount more damage than special damage does neutrally, it would still make special damages more OPTIMAL, but have normal damage a little bit of an OPTION...

i still don't really see what you mean, but i now know why i don't see what you mean

because i am a pure bomber :P

but i do have a supernova, and there are really no instances where it would be optimal over polaris :/ this is the kinda thing I'm talking about as well

Yay! I'm a hipster :D

@Diamondshreddie

A supernova would be better than a polaris when you are facing gremlins or beasts.

@Tsubasa-No-Me

I agree. Different weapons are better against different enemies. But normal damage weapons (particularly the valiance, nitronome, and the leviathan blade) perform average against everything. (They aren't great, they're not bad, they but they are average.) This makes these weapons a viable option in any strata. (ok, you might not want a valiance or nitronome against devilites, and you may have trouble bombing cats, but that's more because most guns and bombs are poor choices against these types of monsters.)

Anyway, if you buff normal damage too much, then these weapons that are average against everything would suddenly be good against everything. It would be harder to justify carrying something like a biohazard when the bullets from a valiance fly faster and hit almost as hard as biohazard rounds. (Plus, the valiance has knockback, which would make it an even better choice.) It would be hard to justify carrying a polaris if the supernova did almost as much damage to everything.

Essentially, I'm afraid that a serious buff to normal damage weapons would turn most special weapons into the cold iron carvers of the game. Yeah, Cold Iron Carver is better on Vanduke, but the Leviathan blade is better everywhere else, so it's better to take a Leviathan blade.

But, I realize that not all of the customization will be lost. As you said, some weapons (due to their attack patterns) are better against some enemies than others. For example, heavy swords are a poor choice against kats (and I hate to see how they fair against devilites.) So not all customization will be lost. But a good deal of customization would be lost if you buff normal damage too much.

@Serell

I'm not really a hipster, I just seek my own solutions to my problems. (=

yes, i agree with u, but only the part where u say that they can't buff normal weapons too much, but giving it a direct damage buff is not the only thing that can be done (even though they could use a little, but just a veery little damage buff) the main problem with normal weapons is not their damage, is their lack of utility, for example, for troika lines, changing its charge attack for something more useful could fix it pretty well, or giving it more speed and increasing ther range, same applies for cutter series, it's charge attack is really difficult to use because of being vulnerable for almost 2 seconds once you unleash the charge (but i find it useful for killing lumbers and turrets after they attack) for this particular sword i thought a very unusual way to make it a little more easy to use it, removing most of its knockback, yes, by removing most of its knockback you can succesfully land a full sword combo without having to chase the monster arround and missing almost 40% of the attacks or eventually end up stepping right on top of spikes, fire, shankles, etc, etc and also changing its charge attack for something more useful, i fint it weird for a sword that is supposed to rely on speed and swiftness to have a charge attack that lets u stationary and vulnerable like that. However this is not the case with leviathan blade, its charge attack is of the most useful in the game, in fact it is one of the few non-heavy swords that can do well against crowds.
in the other hand, special damage dealing weapons have very useful charge attacks (Divine avenger, brandish series, alchemer series, blitz needle, flourish series) so we have normal weapons that do average at all monsters with poor utility and high utility specialized weapons. (as stated on tsubasa's table)
for example: someone walks into a beast/gremlin arena with a combuster, and other person walks in with a sudaruska, normally u would say that the guy with the sudaruska is at advantage, well thats quite not right, combuster has both split and normal damage , saving half of it's damage, and also, it's charge attack can set large groups of enemies on fire while knocking them away into a safe distance, the guy with the sudaruska deals average damage , but his sword is slow (slower than sealed sword) and his charge attack has a slight chance of causing stun, but leaves him very vulnerable and most likely get hit if he unleashes it at the wrong time, not to mention that wolvers and gremlins are very fast.

conclusion: the ability of the combuster to safely knock enemies away and set them on fire makes it the ideal sword for the task, despite it has half damage penalty due to the monster's resistance.

buffing this items does not necessarily means they'll be better than specialized weapons, it means making it worth having them in your inventory.

I agree some individual weapons need to be reworked. I even suggested a rework of the cutter line's charge attack some time ago. Although, I don't know if the Sarduska's charge attack needs a rework. Yes, it's slow, and it's easy to get yourself killed doing it, but it is useful for breaking up large groups of enemies that are clumped together. But these are issues with the design of individual weapons, not with normal damage itself.

Thinking about it, if I were to buff the sarduska's charge attack, I would give a half shield in front of the knight while they are stepping forward. This half shield would work the same way the mecha knight's shield works. It would briefly shield the attacker from frontal attacks. They can still get hit from behind, and they would still be vulnerable while they draw their sword back, but the half shield would prevent them from dying from enemy attacks when they step forward. This should give the user much more reason to use the sarduska/trigalv's charge attack.

I also agree that the charge attack for the divine avenger is much, much better than the charge attack for the sarduska/trigalv, but I think it's because the DA's charge attack is overpowered and needs a nerf. The DA does incredible damage and can knock back an entire clump of enemies half way across the screen. It's pretty much the only sword you need due to it's charge attack. In fact, it's pretty much the only weapon you need due to the charge attack. I would fix that by taking away the knockback effect of those three swords that appear after you swing. Those phantom swords would instead go though and damage enemies in a similar way the spur line's charge attack does.

@Diamond : Yes yes, that could work :D