New Heavy weapon (with new art)
So, 04/29/2012 - 13:41
http://i48.tinypic.com/2enqa34.png
Some concept idea I tried to put together in paint. (4*) The 3* won't have the glowing portions and the 5* will be shattered but held together with a glowing blue light.
I wanted it to look more like just the handle that is sticking out behind the hand with the hand wrapped in chains. It doesn't drag on the ground because of it's innate power.
http://i49.tinypic.com/2jitl.png
Concept art 2.0 with spikes
3* Mavors (old latin name of Mars)
A chain blade so sharp as to pierce the armour of the gods.
Piercing
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Two swing
First swing hits for piercing damage (like a first swing from a grintovic). Second swing the weapon extends on its chains to extend hit box to 3 squares. Attacks slightly slower than troika line series.
Charge swings blade around in full 360 degree spin at maximum range, catching all normal sized monsters (e.g. no lumbers, bosses, turrets, etc.) when it gets back to the starting point the blade is ripped back towards the player doing 190% damage of the combo's first swing. Enemies within one space of the player will not be caught but can get hit if they are in the way of the blade whilst being pulled back.
4* Glaukopis (epithet of Athena)
A razor sharp weapon of incredible power. There are few that can handle it's burgeoning power
Piercing
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Two swing
First swing hits for piercing damage (like a first swing from a jalovec).
Second swing the weapon extends on its chains to extend hit box to 3 squares. Attacks slightly slower than troika line series.
Charge swings blade around in full 360 degree spin at maximum range, catching all normal sized monsters (e.g. no lumbers, bosses, turrets, etc.) when it gets back to the starting point the blade is ripped back towards the player doing 200% damage of the combo's first swing. Enemies within one space of the player will not be caught but can get hit if they are in the way of the blade whilst being pulled back. Has a slight chance of causing minor shock.
5* Fulgur (latin for lightning bolt)
A shattered blade with unimaginable power. The flash of it's attack spells doom for all but the maniac wielding it.
Piercing
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Two swing
First swing hits for piercing damage (like a first swing from a triglav).
Second swing the weapon extends on its chains to extend hit box to 3 squares. Attacks slightly slower than troika line series.
On high graphics levels there will be shadow blade following much like the spur series. The difference is that there is a full second delay and it does no damage.
Charge swings blade around in full 360 degree spin at maximum range, catching all normal sized monsters (e.g. no lumbers, bosses, turrets, etc.) when it gets back to the starting point the blade is ripped back towards the player doing 200% damage of the combo's first swing. Enemies within one space of the player will not be caught but can get hit if they are in the way of the blade whilst being pulled back. Causes strong shock.
Yes? No? OP? UP? You tell me. All constructive comments are welcomed be they positive or negative. If you flame or troll please at least be good at it.
If anyone wants to put together some real concept art I will be eternally grateful. Engineering student here, don't gots no artistic talents and all that jazz.
Edit: V1.1 added some more spaces for better readability. Also edited my ideas for how it looks.
Edit: V1.2 added new art based of Luguiru's ideas. Removed causing shock on second hit of 5*.
So, 04/29/2012 - 15:07
#2
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Shock in a pierce weapon is counter-intuitive. Beasts resist it pretty well, unlike fire.
And constructs, wich are weak to shock, resist piercing.
So, 04/29/2012 - 15:30
#3
@Luguiru
I was looking for a way to make it more piercing than being super sharp. The spikes were a perfect fit. And I do agree that it should only cause shock on the charge but it does cause it in the 4* too (i have to edit that to make it just a chance of happening).
With the charge the whole point for the damage is when it is detached. I do understand what you want but with the spikes now all the damage will be caused by them ripping out.
And as for attacking slower that was my balance with the larger radius, which I feel that a heavy weapon should have.
@Juances I've never had any problems with beasts not reacting to shock unless that is what they were themed but that's just me.
So, 04/29/2012 - 23:43
#4
Tsu will be happy.
Tsu will be happy.
Mo, 04/30/2012 - 00:23
#5
Did I hear My name? :O
Funny how I clicked on it because I was interested... Hehehee...
Mind If i take this in an entirely different direction?
Perhaps have a giant energy blob type thing, made of dark matter or something... When swung, it elongates into sharp spikes, due to an outside force effecting it...
Think cornstarch and water: It is decidedly a liquid, but when any sort of kinetic force is applied to it, it seems as solid as stone. You can even run across a tub full of it, providing you are moving fast enough. :3
It would be similar to that, but become flattened and hardened along its plane of movement.
The damage would have to be Shadow/Piercing, but that would be neat, IMO... :3
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~Tsu
Mo, 04/30/2012 - 00:33
#6
Mhmmm
A swarm infected line perhaps? Right now I'm getting some studying done but maybe I can look into it. Shadow/piercing is an interesting damage type.
Maybe make it branch off at the 4*. Or what if it were a SL weapon? And the 5* you could just get from basil. I think that'd be fun to make people have to bring along a 3* weapon to a SL to get it upgraded. Would need names though.
Mo, 04/30/2012 - 21:51
#7
Never gonna give you up-
Never gonna let you down,
Never gonna turn around, and bump you.
So, 05/06/2012 - 22:07
#8
Drew up some more
Concept art while I was driving back to jersey. It's on my iPod so I'll upload it tomorrow. Took a page out of tsu's idea. It now splits into two lines, a shadow piercing and a elemental piercing. The elemental one becomes a blade that is almost pure energy with metal spikes with the chain turning into more of an energy cord. The shadow one gets a hacked swarm core at four stars which conveniently escapes the core and possesses the weapon at 5*. Don't worry at that point the swarm core becomes your friend :P
http://i49.tinypic.com/2dsqzwx.png
Edit: Come on guys no one has any opinion on this? Even if it gets flamed to the ground just give me something to work with!
Edit:edit: Ok guys just comment if this is good or bad. I'll let it die after this if thats what it comes too but would really like more feedback before that happens.
So, 05/06/2012 - 22:11
#9
What do you want from us
I already gave my input, the concept is fairly balanced and developed. Overall, I would say this thread is a success.
So, 05/06/2012 - 22:19
#10
Luguiru
I do thank you for the input. It was very well thought out and helpful. But no offense there's a whole community out there and I would like to see what more people think.
So, 05/06/2012 - 22:26
#11
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I agree, but where are they? Is everyone hiding in the closet? They would be gone by now, I have Slenderman in there. Sometimes we play cards and he tries to cheat. Fortunately I have his one true weakness: the touch.
So, 05/06/2012 - 23:53
#12
i think 5* looks a bit like
i think 5* looks a bit like wiinmillion, and doesnt look heavy but whatevs. i dont think it´d be nice to make it an SL weapon. thatd make release difficult, cuz theyd have to make innovations on whole shadow lairs.
I need my giant sandwich break. I will edit this post to have my response in about half an hour.
Until then, please enjoy this video.
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Finally, a pierce heavy sword, time to see what it looks li- What is this? It looks like Troika and Vanquisher had a love child with Voltedge somehow involved. A pierce sword has to be pointed or spiked to impale the target, not whatever that thing is; I can appreciate the effort but it is obviously the bastard child of existing weapons which are irrelevant to pierce damage. Try taking the Troika line model and adding spikes along the blade edge, or along the lines of whatever this thing thinks it is; something which punches a spike into the target with every swing. Obviously the previous image is not a realistic reference; for this to be applied to a heavy sword mechanic the spikes would be shorter and pointed further away from the main blade line so a sweep will catch onto them. No, I do not skip around town with a sword murdering people to know this; I would be caught too easily.
I like the charge attack; you spin, catching enemies on the spikes, but I have a few different ideas for how this could work. The first spin catches the enemies (mobile ones, including Lumbers; imagine a wave of them being caught at once) and when the spin returns the blade to its starting position the enemies are "detached", followed by another spin to inflict significant damage. Having the blade "rip back" seems more fitting with a weapon designed to impale, such as the previous image; thrust it into their body, then rip it out along the linear form of the blade. A heavy sword is too large and absurdly enormous to do that.
For the basic attacks, keep it the same as Troika line for simplicity; no need to make it swing slower or change the swing range.
Having a status only appear at 5* helps balance, but not if it has all the previous mechanics with strong shock; for balance it ought to be less. You may also want to change the status to only occur from the charge attack, using the spikes as discharge points for electricity when "hooked" by the first spin.
Effort: 10/10
Creativity: 9/10
Detail: 8/10
Mechanical applicability: 8/10
Profits Three Rings: 7/10