Point # 2 is a pretty terrible generalisation.
First off, how you do know who is f2p vs p2p?
Secondly, whether you pay or not has no bearing on your actual skill level. Apparently, the people you play with just suck, and you are amazing. That doesn't mean a whole lot.
Lastly, take some time to reread your posts before submitting. That was painful to read.
F2P players must go !!! The explanation of the problems of this game !!!
This is the same thought process that gave rise to maniacs like Hitler, just on a lesser degree.
This is the same thought process that gave rise to maniacs like Hitler, just on a lesser degree.
Someone always has to mention Hitler. Godwin's Law never fails.
Hitler: "Jews, Gypsies, handicapped, etc. don't contribute anything to German society, so we should kill them all."
OP: "F2Ps don't contribute anything to SK's economy, so we should kick them out of the game."
So from what I read from the OP and succeeding comments... He wants to get rid of F2P players to get back to the time when CE costs dirt cheap and thus he won't need to be paying more? Doesn't that seem like technically going back to being a F2P player? It kinda feels like you actually care more about CE prices than this game's community...
And Corrionos is right. No more F2P players could mean slower income for the game devs... EVERYONE who plays this game becomes a potential payer, not just those who paid the instant they joined. Also, comment #16 hs almost everything. :D
And the promos aren't just meant to be sold to P2P players. They're also advertised to encourage and entice F2P players to buy from them.
Come on, man. Just cool down a bit and just keep paying. I mean playing.
Hitler: "Jews, Gypsies, handicapped, etc. don't contribute anything to German society, so we should kill them all."
OP: "F2Ps don't contribute anything to SK's economy, so we should kick them out of the game."
Cool hyperbole. It also changes absolutely nothing about what I previously said. Perhaps you should look up what "Godwin's Law" means.
By OP's Logic, Cocosnake would be Whipped, Branded, & Hanged.
I started out F2P until I had 5* armor shield and helm and 4 5* weapons. decided I really liked the game, gave up playing WoW for it and have went on to spend 30$ or so!
Edit- @ Dande-Lion, nice analogy, sounds as though he want to have his cake and eat it too.
~Luke
Really? What are you, some kind of elitist?
RL equivalent: "All the poor people don't help our economy by working, therefore, we shall kill them all! >:D"
Think of how less fortunate people fell about this post. You are saying very hurtful things.
Go away,
~Gigglebytes
I actually can't figure out if the original post is a troll or not. Every logical conclusion I reach says it has to be, but given some of the spectacuarly stupid people that've made similar, entirely serious threads in the past, I honestly have no idea.
Hitler: "Jews, Gypsies, handicapped, etc. don't contribute anything to German society, so we should kill them all."
OP: "F2Ps don't contribute anything to SK's economy, so we should kick them out of the game."
If this isn't some very, very bad attempt at intentionally invoking godwin's law for humourous effect, you are a colossal idiot.
I am Artistbma.
I am F2P.
I don't see anyone "dis"-ing me.
And I don't dis P2P people.
So why don't we all just be friends. There was peace, a peace that was broken...
FRIENDSHIP!
the whole point of making it "FREE TO PLAY" is that u dont need to pay to play the game it was the choice of OOO and SEGA to make it "FREE TO PLAY"
I read your post, the main reason I did was because of how insulting the tittle was. Just a note, I have yet to read any replies posted here.
First, a little back story, hang tight, cause this is gonna take some time. I am currently 14 years old (15 in September) and I was born in Guatemala and lived there for 12 years, then I moved to Canada. Why? because we weren't the most rich family, and taking care of 3 children in such unpredictable place wasn't at all easy. And let me tell ya, moving to Canada was not easy or cheap, it took 3 years to set everything up, and the embassy kept us in he dark for a long time. We did however, have a large amount of computers considering our financial state, not all good computers, the best was my mom's shiny Imac, try gaming with that. So i was mainly a Nintendo console gamer, barely ever buying games and focusing only on certain series. If I ever did gaming on a pc, it was pirated. One day not too long ago (I think a it was a year ago) I was looking into playing portal, I was watching a video on it. Before I went on to pirate the game I read a comment that said you could get the game for free on steam for a limited time. I quickly googled steam, signed up and downloaded into my mom's imac. Such a wonderful thing steam was, but you had to pay. Most of the free games didn't interest me (yes, even tf2), then spiral knights caught my eye, best of all, it was mac compatible! So i got it, and loved it, never paid one cent, got to tier 3 using the p2p's ce. Then (by this time i had my own PC) came the explorer pack at a whooping 2$aprox. I had to get it, and i did. Did I contribute to the economy? No, I spent it all in an avenger, faust, and dark thorn blade, finally being able to ditch my winmillion. I used the elevator pass to farm cr and then went on to leech of the p2p's money. I wish I could contribute more to the game and its devs, i see myself as f2p but truly beleive there's nothing wrong with that. I've devoted so much into this game, just so you can tell me the thing that is destroying this game is the very thing that made join it? I can't disagree with you more.
Come on guys... F2p and p2p players need each other. Can't we all be friends again?
Friends are for the weak. Also, i was f2p, now p2p, and i have this to say...
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!
Yes, there are two groups in this game(like every country that is ruled by an Imperialistic leader/country), but we don't need to divide them even further and start a war between them. YOu know, if you want people to start listening to you, do what Stalin did(create a secret police and ban everyone who opposes you) or get your facts straight and stop being skeptical about the person you once were.
take away the F2P players huh?
why don't you just ask OOO to just shut down the game altogether?
because that is you are basically saying...
...
Congratulations, you are now one of the two people on these forums who have really ticked me off. The first was Cocosnakes. Now you. How wonderful.
"The Two Types of People in SK: F2P and P2P"
^^wrong
There are 3 types of players in this game
Credit card warriors.
F2P.
And trolls.
I'm F2P. What are you? I'm thinking troll. Hate me because I don't spend my money on games? Good, cause I'm starting to hate you too.
The game IS free to play, but there are the Expansion Missions that are truly one time purchases. If I see a new Expansion Mission out by OOO, then I'm sure to pay for it and play it for endless times if it's available. Crimson Hammer is the first Expansion Mission, and plenty of Knights have paid for it, even me. When another Expansion Mission comes out, the Knights will be all around it in no time. Complain if you want if those of you don't agree with p2p content, but I am fine with it.
It is much Wiser to First notice that this is Thread is an Obvious Display to Infuriate Free-2-Players, Bernston.
It is also Wiser to not Bring Back Threads that have no Meaning if they are in the 3rd Page.
No seriously, this kinda garbage is why I don't parade myself around these outdated forums.
I see the point of getting mad at the fact of they take more server power to hold all of the free players but technically we need them eventually.
I see the point of wanting them gone but at the point where the game is it's stuck like this, the game is actually BIG now and go ahead disagree with me
cause Steam says otherwise as this was the 1st game to get Steam Trade along with TF2 so it's big.
All this seems like is a Final Solution thing on Free to Players as if they are a leech upon existence.
At the end of the day this games awkward economy of players somehow works and the company has kept the game running for over a year now so clearly something is being done right.
@Grenze
I'm pretty sure it's "you don't have to go home but you can't stay here" otherwise it doesn't make much sense.
OP may have offended the f2p, but he did state his reasons. If you don't agree, state your reasons.
Fact: Online games have operating costs.
If the game consist solely of f2p then there would be no game unless there's in-game advertising or other creative ways to fund it. However, the game isn't likely to survive with only p2p either.
Argument for f2p buying energy with cr to help p2p missed a few points.
1) P2p includes those who buy elevator passes, they serve the same function as f2p.
2) Not all p2p buy energy to convert to cr. In addition, ce is used to actually play (by the newer players) as well as crafting items.
Let's talk about f2p's contributions to the game instead of trading meaningless insults.
Many have already stated that an online game needs a large enough community so f2p is key here.
To argue against the OPs points, not all p2p are helping to keep the game alive. If a once p2p (has reached end game content or for any other reason) is no longer paying, this player should also be booted per the views of the OP since he's no longer contributing to the operating costs of the game? P2p have contributed to the past operating costs, only those who continue to spend real money are still funding the game. So, OP, are you still helping to fund the game or have you also became a "f2p" after a certain point?
I do agree that f2p isn't necessarily a badge of honor. If a game is fun, let's keep it alive.
Thoughts?
F2P are potential payers, they spread the word of the game, and make the company look good. Without them, OOO LOSES money, loses popularity, and loses a large fan base. No game is a game without F2P.
Well anyways what OOO is doing now is a bit too late: they are catering to F2P players to start spending or they would feel very left out in the game. If OOO did this from the start, this problem might not be as large. The CE prices are too high because of low supply and high demand. We are not getting the updates that we want because OOO needs more funding to expand. It costs money for ANY player to connect to the server, you know. I'm saying that F2P is bad, and the root of all problems in SK.
I can't believe this.
I mean, this guy shouldn't be on SK then. AN dif you believed him,
Wow, just wow.
Good trolling. Yet all Viruslisks are good trolls.
Pray tell WHY you would necro a useless discussion like this?
Need I remind you how much I HATE F2P/P2P scraps?
Life is the root of all problems in the universe, so maybe we should all just owait the Oans already tried that but Green Lantern stepped in and stopped them from obliterating all life including themselves but not 'life' like pond scum and asked them to go take there tinkering to a pocket universe instead.
F2P the problem? LOLz.....go see the link God-King linked on Microtransactions, post #48. I'm a P2P if that makes any shred of difference.
The real problem was back when OOO was making accessories and featured auctions, everybody should have ignored that stuff so that OOO would have worked on real content back when they actually cared about the game. But since everybody threw money at the accessories and featured auctions, they continued wasting time on that. Now they don't even seem to care about the game, so damage done and maybe it's too late.
High CE prices are just because of this, people quitting, and the game's been stale for awhile.....cat tails and bunny ears to save the day? LOL, yeah right....pathetic attempt and pathetic accessories in my opinion.
can we simply let this thread go the graveyard where it belongs?? thx and good night...
a silly thing that comes right out from your mouth mate...
If you really think that, I suggest you can suggest ooo to start a monthly fees policy to save the game then
Since no one is guilty of playing a F2P MMORPG!!
You don't blame the others but ooo for what is happening, or yourself? I don't know. Just stop blaming the FSP players.
By the way, I paid for lift pass to obtain more crowns in order to get cr and gears but I still feel sorry to hear such "FSP player must go"!
Zephyrgon, I don't understand why you are stating what you are right now. And to be perfectly honest, you could rage at my post right here.
But I want for you to hear this, because I consider it important. And, maybe, just maybe, someone else will too.
1 = First of all, I continuously hate (<< this is the key work here: I rarely ever use this word because it has such strong tone and meaning) the distinction between F2P and P2P in-game, with any game...we are all SK members, players, guildees, and friends. We all form the community and make it the way it is. Whether that means that trolls are actaully a part of our community - and are thus acceptable - is another point entirely. It is good that P2P players are recognized for their contribution, but I would be perfectly fine if OOO made an option where you could purchase or donate money anonomously to SK.
2 = Secondly, you have some sound points. Many of what you say in terms of "reasons" is true, I am sure. However, your conclusion is misconstrued and very negatively biased. You say that F2P players are the sole reason that SK has problems - that statement, in itself, makes absolutely no sense. I have no say whatsoever, to be perfectly honest, on the types of things that OOO develops for this game. And, to be perfectly honest, I truly am ok with that. I still look forward to seeing what the devos work on and create, because I know that if nothing else they mave have had to sacrifice personal time in order to get things done within specific deadlines.
Right now, I'm feeling as if there is some time of misunderstanding that occurred. What happened to make you believe that ALL F2P players were the source of SK problems?
3 = This game is still wonderful, at least in-game. We may not enjoy certain updates or promos, but there are so many other things about SK that I appreciate being there...the guild system for example. I cannot express in words how thankful I am for the guildees I have met and had the chance to communicate with. Although this is just a game, I feel like we are all honest with each other and genuinely care for one another - I have gained plenty of knowledge about foreign countries, history, and about what people are really like across the continent. If nothing else, SK is wonderful game still, despite the fact that there aren't many updates. If you are bored of it already, go join a new game - I still look forward to playing and discovering what SK already has to offer me.
These are my three points here, which you can disregard if you so choose. But I don't want nothing to be said.
Don't say that F2P players are the sole source of SK issues, because they aren't. We are all players when it comes to time in-game, and you don't get any more credit in my book if you were P2P or F2P. In terms of player basis, what matters is who you are as a person and what you can offer to the SK community.
How about you stop pouring your wallet on this game before you realize how much you hate it so you save yourself the agony of feeling like you wasted the money
Well said.
Come on, everyone, just leave this thread ALONE (see also #83, #77 and all the others on pages before this one).
Oh, and 1-2-3 and Ceduna, those two posts contributed absolutely nothing to this thread. Think before you post, please, like Kanoka did.
Isn't expressing feeling an opinion based on this topic? well?
Now, if you don't understand what my stuff was about, take a good look again. What I mentioned there above was, suggesting another mean instead of asking to kick FSP players out. It is related, isn't it?
Another..."I'm an SK economist therefore everyone needs to hear me!" ...but this one fails. P2P and F2P have a symbiotic relationship.
P2P needs crowns that F2P provides, and F2P needs CE that P2P provides. Take out F2P and you overshoot the value of cr, because no one is farming them, in turn making CE less valuable decreasing it's price. But no F2P exists to buy all that cheap CE! See what your logic did there? I'm guessing you didn't watch the Penny Arcade video on why some games failed because of bad decision making of their developers. Watch it I urge you.
~Bobxloblaw
Every F2P player is a potential P2P player. Everyone can stay.
Wouldn't this be hilarious is this were just some investor in OOO? Not saying that OOO isn't doing well or anything, just that its a funny thought.