Beasts may be something of a joke when you're swinging the rapiers around but honestly I find fiends to be quite difficult even with those swords. So you'll understand how I'm not all that enthusiastic about a suggestion to weaken the number one thing I rely on to not get swiftly KOed in fiend levels.

Although I suppose a reduction in the knockback of the first swing isn't something that will matter to me that much. The enemies I use the BTB against aren't the kind of ones where I rely on knocking them out of attack range with the sword strikes. I definitely wouldn't want to see a power decrease even in the form of switching the damage type of any of the strikes. Even if it's "logical".

It's only annoying in PVP. Annoying, but not over powered.

It's not even OP in PVE, it's just easy to use. >.>

-1 PvP gets a lot complaints about overpowered weapons. Don't be a sore loser. If you were the one dominating, you wouldn't be complaining. I tried lockdown for a bit, but the experienced players owned me with their "toothpicks" (barbs and flourishes), so I stopped playing instead of complaining that the other players had overpowered weapons. I accepted the fact that I'm not any good at the PvP. I don't miss PvP. It seems rare to get into a match that is fairly teamed. I would be on either the dominating team or the team getting dominated. Rarely did I see matches that ended up close at the end. Hopefully that will change in the future, PvP has great potential to be a lot of fun.

For PvE these swords are perfect, the long reach is great. Who cares if in a few situations it may feel overpowered, that's a good thing. We don't want all weapons to do the same damage, that would make this game suck. Go to a T3 fiend level with your 4 star toothpick and tell me it's overpowered. I have not tried the 5 star, but I will assume it's not vastly different. If it is, I'm buying one ASAP.

Here's an idea. Perhaps Striker Dash should preserve a sword's combo? As in, attacking, dashing, and attacking again would give you a first hit and then a second hit, not a first hit and a first hit.

I find it OP because it uses PURELY pierce damage, until we get a stick of anti-matter to whack people with, that and the rocket hammer, it should be given a bit less damage, or change its attack combo and hitboxes.

EYE THEENK WE SHULD BOFF ALL TOOFPIKS TU DU SOOPUR NOKBAK! THROW DEM THROO WALLZ LYKE WHAM! AND GET 4mill CWOWNS 4 ALL KEELS THIS WAI!

Ok, seriously, that probably hurt many others to read, but whoever said brandishes were overpowered, needs to take a final flourish to the eye, and then tell me that.

Also, the range on all toothpicks needs a decrease, final flourish hits three spaces ahead of the character, far too much.

Some people are right... Flourishes are not OP at all.

I mean it was meant to have a range equal to any heavy sword. If we get killed by it then we are all incompetent fools and must therefore perish from this forum!

Now all we need is a elemental and shadow version of flourish. Wouldn't it be KEWL???

/sarcasm

@Damienfoxy

Someone said brandishes are OP?!

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HAH!

*vanishes in a blinding flash of light*

My reaction to Flourish Nerf QQ Thread #143464572543256

So you're saying we should nerf the flourish, because then we'll get a heavy piercing sword?

And you're also saying it's ok to nerf the sword because people can just use Callahan (a gun) instead?

I can't say I understand your logic in either case. I'm saying the flourish is a vital weapon for sword specialists, and that it's not really overpowered anyway, so why nerf it? Because it has "too long range"? Too long range for what?

Sorry, I should have been more clear; I've been restricted to an iPhone and had to make concise posts. Flourish is fine in PvE but ridiculous in PVP. Brandishes are fine in PvP but ridiculous in PvP.

Please, educate me as to why brandishes aren't overpowered (concerning PvE). I'd love to hear it.

I know they're perfectly fine in Lockdown... but in PvE? All you need to do is charge attacks over and over. The brandish charges deal high knockback, they deal a status, they deal a huge amount of damage with a single charge. Giant enemies are now cake. Arenas are now extremely long kiting sessions. Et cetera.

They get close to one-shotting it. What it doesn't kill can typically be kited, just add some more charge spam.

"PVE is a bad way to measure a weapon's power... skolver with dual true loves"

By that logic Lockdown is all there is to play for in this game and piercing weapons are weak unless their attacks are so quick and high-range they consistently hit. Considering PvE, Shadow Lairs are still a shred of a semblance of difficulty, and I actually have used said weapons in said levels, plus any enemy you can name (save impostocubes, soul jellies, etc.)

Yes, PvE is too easy in most cases, so it's hard to measure 'overpowered', but Lockdown is something else entirely. I'm sorry I didn't designate what game I meant for either weapon at first... and when I first posted, the thread concerned both games, not just Lockderp.

Almost everything is, I can agree with that. Some weapons are just... more obscene than others.

+1 to buffing all enemies. Including fiends. Yes, I just said it.

Buff all the enemies.