Right, same question as Spicington.

Will the mechanics still be changing?

Will this "new" 5 star versions share the same characteristic of the test server? For example, during the testing the 4* and 5* differs in only in damage.

And are we going to have another testing period in lockdown before the official launch of these new bombs?

No, what Nick is saying is that originally, they planned to automatically upgrade your current, 4* RSS or ISB to the new 5* RSS or ISB with the new mechanics, etc. Now due to some sort of complications, your current 4* RSS or ISB will stay at 4*, but with the new mechanics and a 5* upgrade that you have to make yourself.

Isnt this how it should have been from the beggining? Or was that 'free upgrade' their way to bribe us into accepting the change?

I just wish they'd give us a date, this waiting is driving me nuts.

Well, the testing server closed today, so that probably means that they're gonna be releasing the new stuff soon, since no more testing.

It would have been nice to get an instant 5* bomb. ._. I wonder what the new 5*s are gonna be called now.

Testing is not done. I remember Nick saying they would let us test the new bombs in LD at a later date.

The last time an upgrade like this happened, it was when haze bombs when from 1* to 2*. All of the haze bombs in my inventory magically upgraded. I was very much hoping this would be the case. But I'm guessing the "complciations" are that in this case, the amount of money that could be made from those free upgrades is a bit, unbalancing. though I am bummed that there will be so much more for me to craft! Thought I had caught up. :(

@Fehzor

So then can we (the bomber playerbase of SK) all come to an agreement that RSS/ISB should stay projectile bombs? Can we all agree that the FOUR other bombs that will share the new RSS/ISB mechanic could/will be forgettable once released?

The the new bomb mechanics will either make nitronome obsolete or just suck. Either way, bombers lose something .(a whole playstyle option based around RSS)

Once again nick refuses to answer anymore of our questions after a quick reply.

Nick has a weird logic on this matter(change in RSS). The 5* "Drivers" has a similar mechanics of the current RSS, one charge shoots out 4 other projectiles, but EVERYONE seems to be fine with it.

Bombers always need to get around the range problem, and OOO isn't helping at all..........

The new bombs are only fun to use, but definitely not effective, and I really hope there will be some would be made to the new shard bombs, hopefully a longer range(at least have 50% of the current rss's range), and the secondary blast will set off faster.

Still can't understand why we MUST have this change, instead of just getting new bombs to expend this game's weapon varieties.

I'm not a big fan of the new mechanics, I just wanted a 5* RSS... =(

Decided to get a sun shards to use in t2 lockdwon,and i actually have come to love the mechanics of it. Ill be sad when the change is made since im not sure if spamming the new mechanics in ld will be as fun or as effective,but perhaps it will.I dont know.But i agree with Batabii,keep ISB/RSS the way they currently are and make the new bomb lines with the new cluster bomb mechanics.

~Magnicth the Dragon Mage

Fun? ISB is like the slowest bomb possible. If I didn't get mine FREE, I wouldn't even have one.

if you want shock, just use voltaic tempest and be done with it. The damage is irrelevant since you can just run up and stab them to death while they're spasming.

I'm sure I could get more damage with an RSS. But what's the fun in that? And Batabii... Voltaic kinda has this big radius that says HEY DONT WALK IN ME OR YOU GET SHOCKED...

@serell yes that's kind of intentional. It's a deterrent.

@hector then I'd just use Shockbrand (or whatever it upgrades to). Also VT is persistent.

it's pretty junky right now, more a novelty bomb than anything else. If there's any rage about the mechanics change, it'll be the loss of RSS.

And having read the feedback on the test forum, I expect the cluster bombs will also be junky novelty bombs, unless they increase damage and tighten up both fuse times. (though that runs the risk of a previously mentioned issue, clusters making existing bombs obsolete.)

I'm definitely in the "Leave RSS alone" camp. Devs, shorten the fragment range if you can't let this "bombs aren't guns" rubbish go.

I love RSS and use it all the time for FSC, but I use it for the claymore/shotgun effect at point blank and would not shed a tear if its frag range was cut in half.

I think Serell's point was that if you actually want to shock someone, rather than deter them from entering an area for fear of being shocked, VT does not work that well.

Off-topic post here, but can I ask you a favor Nick? I'd just like to swap my knight Ken-Shiro's Blitz Needle CTR VH with Ranzoh's Blitz Needle CTR High. I notice I should've given the Autogun CTR VH to Ranzoh, since I'll be maining him and not Ken-Shiro, but I will still use him too. Ranzoh is just everything I'll be doing stuff with like missions, arcade, but even more than that like business, and such. Plus I've started with Ranzoh anyway, and built him up with various equipment, and I just have the bare bones for Ken-Shiro. I don't intend to build Ken-Shiro up further. I've made a mistake, and I'll promise not to ask this again. I just don't know why asking for a weapon swap between knights is bad or against the rules. I'm not profiting off anything here, I just don't want to pay the 8kce unbind costs just to unbind both, cause I want to use that for other purposes.

I've been a pretty decent customer, paying the equivalent cost of a new game, I'm not sure why I'm not getting any great unbind ticket that happened recently with the arcane. I know that was more recent compared to my situation, but I'm not profiting on anything like I said. I will lose money if I sell the Blitz Needle and have to buy it again or pay drastically for the unbind fee. Please check my account and you will see my Blitz Needles there. I didn't think about my choice, because I thought it would be better off just letting Ranzoh keep Blitz Needle CTR High, since it won't cost me anything, but now I know better that I could've sold it and bought another. Well, it's a long shot. : \

How about they just leave RSS alone and NOT nerf the range? I need that range to counter trollaris in LD. Trollaris also has rediculous range and the only thing that beats it in that respect is RSS. There was nothing wrong with RSS to begin with, OOO's logic is just flawed.

It was never overpowered when nitronome in many cases was a better option.

Also, the fact the Irontech Destroyer and BAB are potentially getting a massive buff pretty much guarantees that the new shard bomb mechanics will already be obsolete/useless on arrival.

Guys, RSS and ISB aren't going to stay the way they are, no matter how much you complain. Just stop and try to make the best of the situation.

For the sake of bombers everywhere, we must try. We must rage as hard as possible to point out how bad this change will actually be.

It is not just losing a good bomb but also having it replaced with 6 insultingly bad bombs.

Especially with OOO not acknowledging all the complaints about trollaris, rocket hammers and toothpicks (which in my opinion need nerfs more than RSS does)

@Serell Trollaris has more range than most guns and is way too easy to block off hallways (which is supposed to be a bombers role anyway) Good luck dodging with two or more people are spamming walls of shock inducing energy your way.