Oh, I forgot to say why I did not add the elevator pass and item packages.
This is because there is no actual price for the items obtained since they cannot be crafted normally I cannot make an average energy + Theoretical material value + crafting fee calculation, which means that we cannot say how much they really are worth.

As for the elevator pass it is an exeption for a degree because it gives the players infinite lift rides for a month, meanning that the amount of energy that comes out of it is infact infinite. We could calculate the average energy loss by taking the amount of levels done in one month and dividing this with the amount of days in that month(which varies per month mostly) , and then dividing the outcome by the average hours played a day, and multipying this with
the average price of CE at that point, which will give us the average theoretical spending of CE per 10 units (1 level) however we exclude the amounts of revives and amount of variable prices in this eqation resulting in an inaccurate solution and we exclude the fact that people's playtime (in hours) differs meaning that the average hours per month differ aswell.

I hope this does not confuse you all too much. its not neccesairy to know for the suggestion. it is added value to the thread and knowledge of the players :3.

(I am going to take a small break now for my head is starting to hurt)

@ little juances

Are you talking about the post? Because your comment does not make much sence...
Its more of a random statement of somthing than anything that has to do with the subject at hand.

And yes the ability to teleport items in real life from one place to another is indeed sweet :D

@ Aplauses

Because I am not limited to a single post :3.
If you feel offended by it in any single way you are welcome to make a suggestion thread about it :D!

@ Canine-Vladmir, You are correct Sir :D.
That would be the desired effect.

@ Fehzor I checked twice and did not see anything cheaper than the 7 dollar elevator pass, if its a steam deal I can't help you I don't have steam :/.
And even if this exists, you souldn't be forced to download a third party program to get a good deal(if you want to get a good deal) in my opinion.

@ I am glad you all like the idea.

@ Trying, I did not know that cash only gas stations had lower prices :D! Thanks I'm gonna see if there are any in my neighbourhood might save me and my dad a few extra bucks!

@ Paweu, That is an interesting fact you have found there, however I do not see the logic of their decision, because if I was to use the 100CE for 50 cents option to make myself items from, lets say tier 2 to tier 5 by using this method exclusively here's how much money I would'e spend per item:

from an item from tier 2 to tier 5:
tier 3: 200 e = 100CE pack x 2 = 50 cents x 2 = 1,00 dollars

tier 4: 400 e = 100CE pack x 4 = 50 cents x 4 = 2,00 dollars

tier 5 : 800 e = 100CE pack x 8 = 50 cents x 8 = 4,00 dollars

So if I where to craft 1 item from tier 2 all the way up to tier 5 (hereby excluding the crafting fee and amount of crowns needed to buy recipe), only based on energy consumption I would spend 7 dollars. That's an elevator pass that they have just sold for one item. And now if the player wants to make himself full 5* using exclusively this method (wihout doing sideruns , trades etc) based on his item energy consumption he will have to buy & dollars x 4 (for helm, armor, shield, weapon )= 28 dollars, which in its term proves as said before that for large amounts of CE the existing packs are your better option.

The problen with the 75 cents pack is the fact that 100 CE on average is worth 33,1011 cents (as calculated above) . i suggest we make it 50 cents for that reason. Because if 100 CE was 50 cents buying large amounts of CE with this pack will give you less CE for your money, so larger packs are better. However if the player wants smaller packs this will be cheaper and the player is not forced to buy large packs.

With this method 200CE (as the pack youwhere talking about suggested) would not cost 75 cents but 1 dollar. Making it less competitive when bought in large numbers by the same person. So if a person decieds to buy large quantities of this 100 CE pack he will infact loose more money than if he was to buy a large pack of lets say 10 a 20 dollars. So for a big CE input you are better off buying bigger packs.

This pack of 100CE is designed not to compete in price with the existing ones but to fill a gap and be an alternative for people that do want to buy CE but dont want to spend 10 bucks a time when doing so. take a look at the calculation at the beginning and you will understand why if 100 CE is worth 50 cents the 100CE pack will never be able compete with the 3500 CE , 7500 CE or 20.000 CE packs.

If the 3500 Ce or 7500 CE or 20.000 CE pack is to give you 1 e per 0,34 cents, this pack gives you 1e per 0,5 cents, that is almost a 0,2 cents difference! meaning that if you buy the 100 CE pack in large quantities for this type of crafts you will indeed loose 1 cent every 5 CE, which proves my previous made points of if you need large quantities of CE the other bigger packs are indeed better. Again this pack is not designed to horde large quantities of CE at a time.

I hope this post made things a bit more clear for you and i hope you can see why the 200CE for 75 cents did not work out but this might.
A fine day to you,

From my own knowledge and playing experience if you make a CE purchace with money it goes into the same pool as the energy you purchase with crowns, and the mist energy pool is already a separate pool that goes up to 100 mist energy and is being refilled every 24 hours, this is a mechanic that is in place for both F2P players and P2P players. All the energy you purchase with money goes into the same pool as all the energy you purchase with crowns, and the total energy is MIST ENERGY + CE , where mist is used up first before CE.

The 3rd counter holds record of your purchases and essentially may give you bonusses such as acces to the test server, but the CE itself that is bought with money goes into the same pool as the CE bought with crowns. Hence the 2 energy meters.

Are you trying to say that if you purchase CE your mist pool goes up to 200 energy instead of 100?
And if this is true this can be easily countered by setting up a formula saying that:

If var purchase = certain amount of dollars
set mist tank boundrary = 200.
If variable purchace > certain amount of dollars
set mist tank boundrary = 200.

Else
set mist tank boundrary to 100.

Its probably a bit more complex in real life but you get what I am saying, if you know were to place this, which I am sure they do, for they are smart enough to make a game as complex as Spiral knights,then the problem you are describing is not that difficult to solve.

I see,

Interesting. However this can be countered using the same formula by setting up a boundrary saying if total amount payed = ammount of money that they determined, for ease lets say 7 dollars (cost of elevator pass) set account to payed account.

esseantially:
if var total purchase = 7 dollars(in this eaxmple)
set account to payed account
If var total purchase > 7 dollars (as in example)
set account to payed account
else
set variable account to (void)

void = nothing.

Again the actual code is probably much more complex but a similar system is not that hard to set, If I had the actual code I woulve written you a script with all the variables (I would've tried) but I don't have their game script nor a ripped version of the game so I cannot write you an exact script to counter this, however a similar script to this one sould solve the problem.

And doesnt cost much time to set up especially if you know how the internal system is connected and have skilled scripters which I believe they have.

Good points,

@ Havenihaveaproblem, from what I know about transactions here the fee can be as much as 10% from the actual transaction, now i am far from an expert in banking systems, however if I where to send over 50 cents and the bank where to take 10%-20% this would mean I lose 5-10 cents, so my end payment is 40-45 cents.Taking 33,1 would mean,that if we where talking about actual transaction between real current vs real current the profit would be a mere 7-12 cents, HOWEVER in this case we are trading an actual currency for a virtual one, that is created out of thin air, meaning that the actual cost to make the virtual current, in our case CE is infact 0, 00 cents, therefore the amount of profit made is not 7-12 cents but 7-12 cents + 33,1 = 40-45 cents, so the vendor loss is not that great. Atleast through my calculation, again I am far from an expert in banking and if you or anyone else can make a better calculation out of it feel free to do so and post :3, for every new amount of knowledge is welcome.

@Xephyris, I am fairly new to the forum, so if you have made a thread about it before I probably don't know about it, feel free to post a link of it if you want tough, whatever credit this may give I don't need it, it's not the point of this thread. This thread was made to get us all together to try and fix a rather difficult problem, a problem I cannot just fix on my own.

Your observation about more people buying smaller packs instead of the big packages is correct, as stated at the beginning of this suggestion thread, this package is designed to make a pack that everyone can afford, and can purchase. The goal is to get more people to purchase smaller packs of CE more frequently, make more new players purchase and feel comfortable with purchasing CE more frequently, decrease the crown price of ce, because it may bring more CE to the market and increase the general trust between the player community and OOO.

And the more comfortable people feel about buying somthing, the easier they will buy somthing, and when you have a lot of people feeling good about buying from you, you don't only make profits, but you get free advertising, because if most of us are happy with the game, surely some of us will share it with friends, that's how I got to this game in the first place ;3.

So I understand the initiative they are trying to take and get as much money out of this as possible, they need it. After all, running an office with designers, devellopers, artists, musicians, ICT engineers, office workers, forum staff and moderators, while upkeeping servers , maintaining a building/floor paying all the bills and running an international game is not a task that can be taken lightly. However I believe that if they where to do somthing similar to the suggestion, while keeping in mind comments of things like Paweu mentioned it would get more people involved, get more people P2P, and essentially help everyone out.

If you have better suggestions and reasonable arguments to defend them feel free to post them :3.
The better we all understand a problem, the better we will be able to fix it, and understand our own roles inside of it.