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Tue, 12/25/2012 - 12:51
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet

Can we make the Ce prices rise up again please? ._.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 12:53
#1
Juances's picture
Juances

Wait until january.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:08
#2
Rabeet-Ahsan's picture
Rabeet-Ahsan
Why?

Why?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:30
#3
Owlert's picture
Owlert
@Rabeet-Ahsan

The people who buy CE like it that way :3

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:44
#4
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
Who wants to help me get it

Who wants to help me get it back up?

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 19:55
#5
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder
Wait

Let me enjoy the low-priced CE first

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:24
#6
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
@Beni lol okay

@Rabeet-Ahsan How can you not know why it must be raised? D:

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:48
#7
Grittle's picture
Grittle
NO, I will Spam Posts, Dont

NO, I will Spam Posts, Dont make me do it!!!!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 21:59
#8
Acid-Snow's picture
Acid-Snow
Good luck

You'll need a good guild (at least) to really influence the market. This CE price drop was easily forseeable and will definitely end once this Winterfest stuff is over. It all boils down to taking advantage of high and low prices as they come along.

I am F2P, so I do not want the prices to go back up yet.

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:25
#9
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
xD

I'm ready for it to go up! Lets make it go up Now!

Tue, 12/25/2012 - 23:26
#10
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
Its eventually going to

Its eventually going to happen anyways.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 00:39
#11
Toksyuryel's picture
Toksyuryel
The ideal CE price is 5-6k.

The ideal CE price is 5-6k. It needs to be something that is low enough to not scare off new players but high enough to be worth it to sellers.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 00:49
#12
Senshi's picture
Senshi
You're all dreaming

There's a 15% bonus sale on energy, plus the prize box incentive to buy ... that means more people buying energy.
There a winterfest mission that rewards no crowns, just winter wish tokens (and a hat).
That means less crowns being generated.
That alone is a huge pressure for crowns, but of course the kicker is that the winterfest prize box items are put up in the auction house where people need -crowns- to get them.
So many people with extra energy they wouldn't usually buy... needing crowns... selling energy.
You're not getting the price back up to 8k before January 3rd at the earliest (unless you happen to have tens of millions of crowns to play market manipulator with and don't mind losing money doing it.)

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 06:11
#13
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

*cough*

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 08:05
#14
Verodius's picture
Verodius
How dare all the F2P players

How dare all the F2P players actually be capable of buying CE for once amirite?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 09:02
#15
Rabeet-Ahsan's picture
Rabeet-Ahsan
@Everyone

I know why you guys wanna raise ce price so you can sell your bought(not earned)ce for a higher price and become rich and make it hard for us to make gear.
P.S I am Beknightz so can this be halted till mid-January.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 10:29
#16
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
@Benightz Thats not the only

@Benightz Thats not the only reason :>

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 15:08
#17
Amaki's picture
Amaki
Cradle to Night-Rove ...

You do of course realize that the Game Masters have stated that manipulating the energy market will result in retribution?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 17:12
#18
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
@Amaki Show me the rules! >:O

Hope fully not D:
Njthug was able to do it before.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 17:48
#19
Tiroth's picture
Tiroth
...

I'll bite. Apart from making the game harder for other people, what's your reason for wanting high ce prices?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 18:26
#20
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
1# It will be easier to get

1# It will be easier to get guild hall items?

2# It will be easier to get crowns?
Do you guys really want to farm all day?
(Well easier for p2p) Or F2p as well, if they have stacked ce from the Low ce price.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 19:12
#21
Flowchart's picture
Flowchart
-

It dropped some more after Christmas. I guess a lot of people spent their gift money on CE
But yeah, just wait after the promo.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 19:15
#22
Gigawattx's picture
Gigawattx
Manipulating CE prices

I'm pretty sure someone just can't bare to hold in their greed any longer...¬.¬

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 19:31
#23
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
@Gigawattx Its not

@Gigawattx

Its not greed..Its helping the "people".....The P2p People xD

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 21:31
#24
Amaki's picture
Amaki
OK ...

Can you really prove Nj was involved in messing with CE prices?

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 21:33
#25
Amaki's picture
Amaki
Double post.

Note to self, don't access the forums in-game.

Wed, 12/26/2012 - 22:39
#26
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
@Amaki

@Amaki
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/2726
If we aren't allowed to manipulate the ce price why do you think it Has risen to 9kcr before?
And why has njthug been able to do it?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 02:14
#27
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope
@Amaki

As long they dont use an exploit like the one we have months ago where a guy use a bug related with the crowns to get billions of crown, then buy energy then resell and so on to have a Whole market manipulation... ONLY in that way they would be breaking the rules.

but on the way that Night-Rove is doing it isnt wrong. because they only will use their energy and set their price to sell their energy. earned either with real money or farming to buy when CE its cheap then resell when its expensive. so basically theyre using the Market system on the way should be. Not abusing from a bug exploit.

Now if we going to talk if that its right or wrong your never will find a right answer because they want their CE bought with real money worth more and F2P will not want the energy raise the price because will take them a lot of time to gear up all their Stuff. so you will find different opinions about that.

about me? i cant choose a side because i always get benefit eithe if the CE its expensive or Cheap.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 07:13
#28
Tiroth's picture
Tiroth
...

1# It will be easier to get guild hall items?

2# It will be easier to get crowns?

So, basically, you want to get rich quick at other people's expense. Thanks for clearing that up.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 07:27
#29
Canine-Vladmir's picture
Canine-Vladmir
Shameful NightRove....Shameful

Im P2P and if i buy CE in bulk, i will sell it where it makes everybody happy. everybody.
I doubt you were ever F2P but the F2P community actually deserve the best. You have no idea how hard it is to upgrade when greedy persons are selling them expensive CE.
Stop Being Greedy Yo!

Theres a fine line between loving video games and being greedy for it .
-Robotic Maya Angelo

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 08:37
#30
Juances's picture
Juances

"So, basically, you want to get rich quick at other people's expense."

Unless you win the lottery.... Welcome to politics and bussiness management.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 08:49
#31
Tiroth's picture
Tiroth
...

There is a reason that big business and politicians are widely disliked, Juances.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 09:05
#32
Laraso's picture
Laraso
My Thoughts

Personally I don't think that F2P players deserve the best. I mean, they are already playing the game for free, using up OOO's resources while not paying a penny to do it. Now, I'm not saying F2P players are bad, but they just aren't as important as P2P players.

However, manipulating the energy market for your own personal benefit while completely ignoring all the F2P players is mean

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 09:18
#33
Tiroth's picture
Tiroth
...

@Laraso - Beyond that, it's also bad for most P2P players. I don't think I'm the only one who's sunk a decent chunk of money into this game who doesn't want/can't afford to do so again just because someone else is being greedy.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 10:27
#34
Amaki's picture
Amaki
Unfortunately, Sweet-Hope ...

You are incorrect. Actively manipulating the CE market via cooperation between players for personal gain as Night-Rove suggests and Nj apparently has done has been stated to be unethical enough to be a violation of the Terms of Service. Quite frankly I'm surprised no action has been taken yet. Regardless, you should know this is NOT going to be tolerated, and I'm quite certain the Game Masters will back me up on this before tossing this thread where it belongs.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 11:15
#35
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

@ Amaki

Im not incorrect. CE Market its Player driven. so even if they get organized to sell energy price to a standard price either cheap or expensive its Ok always they dont get those CE or Crowns via bugs exploits. GM always make an action when something breaks Term Of Service. (well sometimes) on this case (well on NJ case) didnt nothing because CE injected to the market was CE earned by cash. (if OOO would like to prevent things like raising the price from 6k to 8k they would put a Limit over the offers that a player can make in a day).

If you dont believe send a Support message reporting this thread and see GM opinion about that. The Ce market always was a price Game. its the same thing if a group of players want to get organized and sell their CE for a cheap price, i bet that in your View point would be ok because its cheap? but in your logic that would be wrong too because theyre manipulating the price. we could say the same over stuff that got their price because people manipulate their price.

AS LONG the price its set by legit ways: Buying CE with Cash or Crown. the market its ok. but if someone drive the market trought exploits then that its a banneable ofense.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 11:16
#36
Juances's picture
Juances

The only bans i know of were because perpetrators acted like "LOOK WHAT I DID and warned OOO.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 11:35
#37
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
"Well considering you may

"Well considering you may have paid good money for your Ce how is this wrong"
"Its our ce we can do what ever we want with it?"

Support which ever side you like. After all its your money right?

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 11:46
#38
Gigawattx's picture
Gigawattx
You know... what you're

You know... what you're suggesting sounds suspiciously like "pump and dump" lol...Which, I might add, is illegal in the real world :P.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 11:46
#39
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
@Tiroth & Laraso Its not

@Tiroth & Laraso Its not exactly for a personal gain? Nor is it that bad for free to play. My reasons:

First, If we had a high ce price It would take New players some time to craft there gear. That would make them play the game a lot more.

This may not benefit everyone But it benefits 000 and the p2p. Besides Im sure some Smart Players have already stacked up in crystal energy and are just waiting for the Ce price to rise.

@Gigawattx Explain further more.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 11:54
#40
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
However, most of the joy is

However, most of the joy is in the journey itself. Take your time so you can enjoy things, rather than rushing to endgame and getting bored.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/71386

Post 16#

Heavy-dragon has stated that correctly.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:15
#41
Gigawattx's picture
Gigawattx
Well, "pump and dump" is

Well, "pump and dump" is where choose a "Chop Stock," or stock you're targeting, buy a bunch of shares with friends, get a lot of people hipped about the stock, causing them to purchase shares, and then sell the stock at the same time your friends do when the price is really high... making you and your friends killing, causing the market to crash, and causing everyone else to lose money...Now apply that logic to the CE market xD

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 12:08
#42
Kremurgh's picture
Kremurgh
Surprice surprise

The amount of cr you grind in a FsC run is related to the CE market.
You win 7Kcr by run? Think that when when the market was near 10Kcr/100CE you win by 11-12Kcr every run, without the Vanaduke.
Maybe if we go to 10M/100Ce the FsC will no longer be enough(maybe) but 9Kcr is fine.

F2P player will rage but really ...

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:24
#43
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
F2P player will rage but

F2P player will rage but really

Lol

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:30
#44
Softhead's picture
Softhead
You know that high prices kinda kill the game for newbs.

You're a newb.

You don't play much, and you want to get to the better content.

But considering the time you have to pump into the game to get 9k with snarby is horrendus.

I had a friend who quit because of the prices.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 13:32
#45
Owlert's picture
Owlert
Edit : nvm

Edit : nvm

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:20
#46
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
@Softhead Your friend must

@Softhead Your friend must have been Impatient then?
The Ce prices are eventually going to rise and fall. Farming isn't hard just boring when you replay missions.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 15:56
#47
Softhead's picture
Softhead
Considering the fact that for a couple of months,

the prices were 8-9k. A large turnoff. It's not like they play 24/7. And then the fact that newbs can't really afford it as they don't have JK/RT/FSC right off the bat.

And the rise and fall is unpredicable, could take days, weeks or heck months.

F2P are potential payers, make it that they are convinced to pay, but not that they are turned off completely.

There needs to be a balence.

Just saying.

Not low like pre missions, or to high before GH.

Newbs will find it hard when they start. We need to make it high enough to be affordable, but not to low that they breeze in a week.

Another turn-off is that the game gets boring with the grinding off missions. I mean, doing the same thing on end for months is boring, and the fact that it's the only thing you can do until endgame which can let you advance, is sad. This is a main problem as of missions.

Suggestion forms have stuff like how to make the arcade more popular, or increase lower strata stuff and a new arcade boss that pays like FSC rewards.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 17:45
#48
Zaffy-Laffy's picture
Zaffy-Laffy
Zaffy is Laffy

No no no no no...

F2P players are people who do not have the energy to do stuff... what this do is it drives the energy market by buying down every scrap of energy P2P players put up there. This way P2P get their crowns, and F2P get their energy.

The fact that there are F2P, and that they have to deserve something, is because they are the one giving you all the crowns. If everyone is gonna be a P2P rich kid, then the market will crash. No one needs energy, and no one is gonna earn a single crown and they keep their heaps load of energy.

So think again about the F2P... if you decided to suddenly raise the CE prices till seemingly unaffordable prices, you might lose some newcomers who #1 might want to spend money in the game or #2 might continue the game and continue to buy down your energy.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 17:54
#49
Toksyuryel's picture
Toksyuryel
Full disclosure: I am a P2P

F2P are not freeloaders. They are the ones buying your CE, the ones creating the incentive for you to purchase more CE from OOO than you need for yourself. Don't throw them to the wind.

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 19:14
#50
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
@Zaffy because they are the

@Zaffy
because they are the one giving you all the crowns
Not at all we p2p can get crowns from many places.

you might lose some newcomers who #1 might want to spend money in the game or #2 might continue the game and continue to buy down your energy.
actually with higher prices it will make
the new player buy more energy instead of farming and more $ for 000

@Tokysyuryel I never said f2p were free loaders?
Actually we p2p are much more needed in the game since ce are limited and cr are unlimited.

Keep it in mind that ce is limited and cr is unlimited.

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