Spiral Knights - Make things fair for gunslingers, they're being discriminated :[

Make things fair for gunslingers, they're being discriminated :[

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Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:02

Zeddy

Operation Crimson Hammer

First of all, gunslingers aren't bothering with buying OCH because it gives a sword, a bomb and a dumb-looking helmet. Gunslingers don't act thankful for a helmet that gives shock, fire, med CTR and low ASI so I guess remove it. We'll replace it with a gun that's thematically consistent with WRH and DR.

Swordsmen get a high-DPS, high-risk, elemental sword.
Bombers get a high-DPS, high-risk shadow bomb.
Gunslingers should get a high-DPS, high-risk piercing gun.

After extensive research, I found that the game contains such a weapon., and it's not behind a paywall like our options are! Gunslingers are understandably really mad about this! :[

I think we should make things fair for them and put Blitz up as an OCH exclusive just to make things even. Everybody's happy now! :D

Shadow Lair Armours

Swordsmen and Bombers get awesome rewards hidden within the depths of the Shadow Lairs. It's super unfair that Gunslingers don't get in on this action! :'[

I did some research and swordsmen get a shadow armour that gives a damage bonus while bombers get armour that gives a universal bonus nobody cares about as well as a low bonus relevant to their weapon. I did some more research and it seems like Gunslingers have a shadow armour with a damage bonus and an armour with a universal bonus nobody cares about as well as a low bonus. Neither are behind massive CE-walls like they are for the other classes and Gunslingers are understandably really mad about this! :\

I think we should make things up for Gunslingers and put Shadowsun and Deadshot up as Shadow Lair armours. I'm sure all the Gunslingers will be really grateful towards OOO when they do this so please hurry and do that Nick! <69

Oh, and I noticed that Heavenly Iron gets a low bonus against fiends and a low bonus on swords, so I was thinking that maybe we could make the undead bonus on Deadshot low and give it a penalty against shock so things can be fair for Gunslingers and balance it with swordsmen. Don't let swordsmen hog all the shock penalty, OOO! <3

A mobile piercing weapon

All gunslinger gets against devilites and beasts is Blitz Needle and Callahan, and those really suck because you can't move while using them just like with bombs and swords, except they get range and more damage while we don't, and that's not fair on Gunslingers at all! :(

Gunslingers are always jealous at DBB and Flourish and even though those do much less damage than Blitz does because gunslingers have no options at all when it comes to being mobile and attacking things. Gunslingers are really mad about this! :<

Swordsmen and Bombers don't have any piercing weapons with ridiculous damage like Gunslingers do, but they're still envious at us so I think that you should just turn it into a piercing Antigua and then everything will be fair and balanced. I can hear the Gunslingers crying out in joy alredy! n_n

Only One Lockdown Weapon
Swordsmen get TWO swords, a shock-variant of their status-lines and a freezing variant of their heavy lines. Bombers get TWO bombs! A shock variant of their crowd control bomb and a stun variant of their status-lines.

I think Gunslingers should have a shock variant of either a crowd-control or status-focused gun they could get for Krogmos just like Swordsmen and Bombers do. I did some research and apparently there is such a weapon already, but they don't have to grind 300 Krogmos like other people do. Gunslingers are, understandably, really mad about this! :S

I think Storm Driver should be unlockable for Krogmo coins to make things fair on Gunslingers. They'll be so relieved when you do this! :3

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:08

Whats-His-Face

...What?

You want to take out Shadowsun and Deadshot and put them as SL armors?
PFFT
No
If there was to be a SL armor for gunners it should have:
Pierce and Normal Resist
Shock Resist
ASI Low for Guns
Damage Bonus Low for Guns
Charge Time Reduction Low for Guns
Movement Speed Increase Low

OP so make it now.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:10

Little-Juances

Before balancing DLC,

Vanaduke, jelly and snarbolax give swords. Sealed splits into 2.
Twins gives 2 guns, jelly has antigua (all 3 split into 2 lines each).

Bombers only get static capacitor and spine cone.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 10:13

Fehzor

The devs/GMs and playerbase of SK are generally unable to read and understand things of this caliber. Be careful! You don't want to hurt anyone, do you?

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 11:25

Hexzyle

This is actually a pretty good idea, for the most part.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 13:20

Msaad

+INFINITE.
Also, some changes: Give universal ASI med for the striker class in lockdown, since most gunslingers, including me, prefer the striker class. And i find no reason for shadowsun and deadshot being SL armours. I think there should be another OP line which is helpful for gunslingers. Also, REMOVE THAT GODAMN THING WHERE YOU HIT SOMEONE, AND YOU ACTUALLY SEE HIM HIT, THE OTHER PERSON DOES NOT SEE HIMSELF HIT. I hate this thing as much as i hate pineapples.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 16:39

Waffleconecake

Dear Zeddy,

I agree with you on your statement that gunslingers are being discriminated and will not deny that as a truth.
But will you please do me a favor. It is not a big one, all you need to do is open up the SK wiki.
Go into the bomb section and come up with the best set up for any random level; this means a set that will be good at all times, but there is a catch.
The armor can not be the same resistance type besides normal. After you do this create one of these sets for Gunslingers.
After doing this get the set as close as you can, if you can't manage to get them all to five star then get the lowest star version for each set you can, I.E. the helmets must be the same level but the armor can be a different level then the helmets. (3 star armor but 5 star helmets).
Once you have done this go into the arcade and do a few levels with them. What set is easier to use and had a better set?
What set had better practicality and better boss use?
For most of these you should be saying gunslinger. Try to think of the big picture and not the small one.
As weak as the gunslinger's items maybe, the bombers still lack things as well.
Swords have been getting too much attention for too long, let the little kids on the block get some toys and not the big kid OOO.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 16:55

Tohru-Adachi

Duuuuude....

Zeddy has been campaining for bomb buffs and such....

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 16:57

Severage

I laughed.

~Sev

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 17:05

Dmatter

WUT.

I can't tell if
A: Zeddy is trying to get some point across that I'm not getting by being sarcastic and everyone is being sarcastic also.
B: Zeddy is being serious for some reason and everyone but me, Waffleconecake, and Whats-His-Face understands why this is a good idea.
C: I'm missing something obvious. (unless you're talking about pay-walls, but that doesn't sum up with the blitz needle one so that's probably not it.)
D: ... okay, I feel like I have more things to put here, but I can't think of it.
Yeah I seriously can't figure out what you're trying to get across. if you're being sarcastic, at least put some more hint in there at what you're getting at.
Note: I started writing this after waffleconecake's comment

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 17:05

#10

Klipik

I always read about halfway through Zeddy's thread before realizing that they're eiher a troll, a parody or a satire. Or sometimes a serious suggestion, but that's kind of rare. It's hard to tell when someone's being sarcastic about areas of the game I'm not an expert in.

But +1 to the Polaris and Blitz parts anyway.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 17:13

#11

Dmatter

*After looking at it for a

*After looking at it for a while* Wait...Wait... Tell me if I'm wrong, but are you telling gunslingers to "Be quiet you have much cheaper armor and weapons than others"? I think that's it.

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 17:32

#12

Tohru-Adachi

.......

DAMN.

Zed layed it on you Riches and Bores!

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 17:51

#13

Krakob

I agree so much! It's in no way fair that Gunslingers aren't forced to spend real mon€y on their OP weapons, nor is it fair that they don't get any SL gear hidden behind masses of CE fees! >=(

Gunslingers are being treated unfairly, they don't get as many energy sinks nor any real mon€y fees at all! This is discrimination, gunsligners should be forced to use more money too!

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 18:04

#14

Klipik

Oh and also, what is the risk of the Dark Retribution?

Sat, 03/23/2013 - 18:28

#15

Zeddy

@Dmatter

Pretty much. I could go on all day about things gunslingers complain about that are actually an advantage they have over bombers and swordsmen.

For instance, did you know that when the Antigua-lines got their split damage removed, they became about 30% stronger? Shard bombs got their damage halved.

@Waffleconecake
I wish I could understand what you were talking about. This probably doesn't meet your challenge, but for any stage I'd go with Nitronome and full Mad Bomber, and that should be able to do anything.

@Klipik
Dark Retribution has no knockback and very little interruption. Because of its low coverage, if you want to achieve high damage, you need to be close up in the action and continously dodge attacks to herd enemies within the ring. This is unlike DBB which just flips gremlin over for you and has a giant coverage area even if it didn't so you can just plant them and run.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 03:25

#16

Good-Spirit

buff

I was fine back when Shadowsun gave only damage bonus low, had a huge curse weakness, and no health trinkets were available to the public. Before the 15% damage increase on guns. Those were the good old days.

Maybe we should do that again?

It'd be weird to be the only gunner in LD again if that happened...

While we're at it, let's delete the flourish line since it was also an addition to the main game.

Hmmm anything else?

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 04:02

#17

Eclaium

Can you tell me how a bomber can kill a gunner ._.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 04:35

#18

Legend-Knight-Hadi

I disagree

I sadly disagree that if anything stud be put in OCH then we'll have to buy a blitz needle!!! With or money, same with shadows un and dead shot, I mean WTH MAN!!! U ant suggest this

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 06:59

#19

Bugtester

Even as a joke I don't find it funny, because most of it is plain nonsense.

- @ Operation Crimson Hammer: Yes, the Needle is strong, but outside of Wolver dens and Vanaduke pretty much useless. There are FAR better options to deal with fiends than Blitz, let alone all the other families that aren't weak to piercing.
Yes, the DR has been nerfed to oblivion, but that is not really the gunners fault. The hammer on the other side is a more than decent weapon, adding another to the more than impressive armory of useful swords. The Mask of Seerus is not bad at all. It may be hideous, three times more timeconsuming than the others and no hammer, but it's nice. Sure, make the Blitz a OCH weapon, but then a new normally accessable gun would be needed.

- @ Shadow Lair Armours: Gunners have a single line of equipment that starts at 3* while the others start at 2*. Shadowsun is also our only Dmg Bonus, unlike swords and bombs, which have Dmg on 3 of 4 sets. I am fine with Shadowsun becoming a SL set - but only if Justifier or Nameless get Dmg instead of AS. I don't care about Deadshot, because who does? It's crap.

- @ A mobile piercing weapon: Way to go. Dmg > all. I guess that's why the Troika is the best sword-line. Oh wait, it's not. The reason gunners ask for such a weapon are mostly fiends, that usually tear them apart, even when they have some experience with guns. I sure know that I had no chance on any of the story-missions when they contained devilites. Even today I prefer to just take a flourish when playing the daily. Also: AoE > Dmg

- @ Only One Lockdown Weapon: I have honestly never seen anyone complain about that but I guess there seem to be such people. Though I have not seen anyone play Lockdown with anything but a Trollaris either... Don't know what to say about that, because I really can understand that others find this unfair towards swords and bombs. On the other hand, I don't care to much about the status alchemers and Trollaris had it's nerf coming a long way.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 07:25

#20

Zeddy

@Yuaj

I've beat the game from back to front using only Volcanic Pepperbox, Cyclops Helm and Heavy Demo Armour. Blitz needle has:
-1 more tile of range on the regular attack.
-4 more tiles of range on the charge attack.
-100% more speed on the bullets.
-60% more damage against neutral targets.

Fiends was the one area I had any trouble at all. Most of the time, this was from devilites being about 1 tile outside of my range. There is nothing useless about Blitz, I can guarantee that much.

I don't know why you're bringing up the DR nerf. I think it's a fantastic weapon.

Troikas are overlooked because their damage is low. Sealed sword lines have more damage and Brandish has MUCH more damage. What's your point again? My go-to weapon for devilites is Callahan.

Furthermore, I don't think it's so bad for guns to be weak against one enemy. Bombs are rubbish against bosses. Swords are very difficult to use against ranged enemies across chasms.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 08:53

#21

Triplescrew

Weird suggestion. It will

Weird suggestion. It will make me SL winner coz I hav deadshot and shadowsun. Blitz, Callahan and alot of others 5* weps. So no. I dont want to collapse.

The only thing I want is Gremlin jacket for SL. To wear with my awesome Seerus mask ( It must be rescaled though). And a Piercing shotgun with wide spread, clip size 3 , and short radius for those butterflies. Hate em. They suc. I believe that this will fix ALL Problems in the WHOLE world so do it. NAO! Hi btw.

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Sun, 03/24/2013 - 11:31

#22

Oatmonster

Lick Number 58425

Yes! It's time to put an end to this horrible discrimination.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 13:42

#23

Forum-Brady

As long as my pretty Hail

As long as my pretty Hail Drivers remain safely in my pockets, I'm happy. But I think we can all agree that Gunners get things far too easy, otherwise.

I mean hell, guns don't even need to move to kill people. Just stand there, perfectly still and let AA do the rest. Slackers.

Sun, 03/24/2013 - 15:00

#24

Alternate-Dragon

Let's face it, their are no anti-devilite piercing guns! Anyways the helmet has already been suceeded by chaos cowl and black kat cowl.

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