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OMG STOP! I dont know about you but Im sick of the same 2 stratums!

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Clwnbaby

ANY chance we could all band together these next 2 days and NOT deposit our green minerals in the gates.... I dont know about you but I'm getting sick of the same 2 stratums all day every day.

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Mtax

+11

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Maeko
Yes, Yes, Yes. Getting damn

Yes, Yes, Yes.

Getting damn tired of poison and ice.

Or at least add more pets to equalize the disparity. Or allow them to be crafted into universal pet foods.

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Warp-Master
Will never happen. The

Will never happen. The self-interest is too strong. I'm getting tired of poison and freeze too, though. Good thing my new skelly suit resists both of them~ :3

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Klipik-Forum
@Maeko

I believe you mean "Shards".

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Maeko
@Klipik

At this point in time, I feel pet foods would lend the community more benefit that crafting into shards. Unless things have changed significantly since my time, shards don't have much use beyond low level recipes, and after that, they just take up space.

EDIT Reviewed recipes. But honestly, when do you ever find yourself running short of shards?

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Mega-Jerk
wut

I don't get it, are people still picking those minerals up? I mean, if there's no crimsonite (red) for my drakon than I just pick up the dark or luminite and once in a while I make shadow/divine stones and sell them. No offense, but picking up green/blue is kinda dumb..for now at least,maybe in the future new sprites will be introduced and they will need those.

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Ellip
People are probably only

People are probably only seeing green and blue minerals. It happens sometimes so when it does all you can do is just pick one and then they probably deposit that in since they can't use it yet. Still You should save it just in case since it barely provides any extra money and it might be worth a lot more later if OOO does release a use for them.

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Clwnbaby
No Mega-Jerk is right

Mega-Jerk is right there is literally no reason to pick up blue and green. Elip once in a blue moon u get levels where they are all blue and green but I've been in SOOOOOOOo many partys where i telll the noobs dont take the blue and greens and they always say the dumb reason....."But they're bigger." Simply put most players dont have the intelligence to realize we are only using 3 of the mineral types and regarless of size those are the ones you should pick up. This update had showed me in spades that most players who play the game right now have absolutely no game sense.....hence the same same 2 stratums over and over and over......they just dont get it.

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Traevelliath

I used to only pick up red and green crystals, because that is how you make a Beast Strata. Green and yellow get you slimes.

So... if you don't have a Drakon, hoard up red crystals and get some beasts going. If you don't have a Seraphynx, hoard up yellow crystals to get some jellies :D

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Gravelord-Caste
The Truths don't provide any Answers

Well, the "Arcade Blizzard" at least gives the right kind of minerals for pets, so it's doing something for the community. Plus, sometimes, we have no choice but to get the blue/green ones, which is more likely the bigger the party is. I'm going to agree with Ellip at this point.

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Orbwanter

Anyone hoarding blue/green now is going to be laughing all the way to the bank when the wild/cosmic food gets added.

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Mega-Jerk
Yeah, I used to do that when

Yeah, I used to do that when there was nothing do with crystals. I guess people are still stuck in the times before the update xD
I mean, I just sold a divine stone for 2000+ cr, easy money..

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Clwnbaby
@gravelord-caste

The stratums you play have no berring on what minerals u pick up....so making blue/green stratums does not give you red/yellow or purple/yellow.

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Clwnbaby
@gravelord-caste

The stratums you play have no berring on what minerals u pick up....so making blue/green stratums does not give you red/yellow or purple/yellow.

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Gravelord-Caste
/reply Clwnbaby

I'm just going on what Zeddy said (or speculated). I don't think it's a case of completely nullifying the chances of getting the minerals used to create the stratum, but just nudging the numbers towards greater amounts of the other three colours. If I could remember where he said that (the above are not his words, FYI), then I'd post a link.

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Clwnbaby
OMG stop.....

The type of stratum DOES NOT DETERMINE what minerals you get. And in my experience...and i've been running the arcade continueously LOOOONG before the sprite update while you were all looping KoA.... the minerals you want are in stratums made up of the minerals you want. So.....even by that rational you should be building gates NOT made of blue and green to up your chances of getting the other minerals.

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Chrysoscion
Read the wiki, you hippies.

The type of stratum depends on what minerals you put INTO a gate, not what you pick up. It's just people use their unused Valestone and Moonstone for gates since they use the other minerals to level up pets. Check the wiki people.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Gate_construction

Still, I do think that something needs to be done to balance the gates. I don't have a problem with it, but it still is a major flaw that should be corrected. I know GMs can change gates how they want with special minerals, but we shouldn't need that. The game should be made that we shouldn't even have this problem in the first place.

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Clwnbaby
@Shadow

We know what minerals u put in determines the gate... they are saying that the freeze stratums give them red purple and yellow minerals and I just explaining Stratum does not determine minerals composition. THe whole point of this thread to get people to STOP depositing their greens because they are forcing the same 2 stratums on us over and over.

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Acid-Snow
Hmm.

I'm fairly sure that the stratum theme does indeed make it less likely for the minerals which made it to appear. It isn't that great of an effect, but I'm fairly sure sufficient research was done to confirm its existence.

Also, how are you trading Sprite food?

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Rezzler
You cn trde food u craft at

You cn trde food u craft at the fuud machiner

Also, freeze and poison rnt bad.

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Skold-The-Drac
we're freezing the core

Dun dun duuun

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Hexzyle
@Clwnbaby

The type of stratum DOES NOT DETERMINE what minerals you get

Then why does this essentially describe the arcade in a nutshell before this patch?

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Gravelord-Caste
/reply Clwnbaby

The type of stratum DOES NOT DETERMINE what minerals you get.

As I said, I was just going on what Zeddy said (and to be honest, he's one of a VERY few people I trust here).

And in my experience...and i've been running the arcade continueously LOOOONG before the sprite update while you were all looping KoA....

Fair enough if it's in your experience, not so much with that assumption that everyone does KoA full stop: I only did it just to get the CoA.

the minerals you want are in stratums made up of the minerals you want. So.....even by that rational you should be building gates NOT made of blue and green to up your chances of getting the other minerals.

Mechanically, that doesn't make any sense what so ever: on paper, put into practice, players would have a larger chance of getting, for example, fire stratums (stratii? strata?) if there was a heavy increase of the required minerals, which would then continue for a noticeable while, effectively making it a self-feeding loop, only broken by the "Thou shalt not have two Strata of the same Type" rule. Long story short: on paper, a less extreme version of the current blizzard.

Also, the "the minerals you want are in stratums made up of the minerals you want" argument I think is in contradiction to the first sentence.

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Shamanalah
my 2 cents

>3 of 5 minerals are now sought out and never used in gates but feeding sprite

>with the 2 remaining minerals (which SOME people have thousands, even tens of thousands), people dump them into arcade gates

>nobody even tried to make another gate

>Why are you complaining? You have full power over what the next gate would be, just waste those red/purple and yellow minerals on it...?

>If you even noticed, there is almost always 2 treasure vault in T3 on each Arcade gate, people with brains actually use their minerals in a good and proper way to help the community.

Obviously if you don't do anything about your own strata and making it worthwhile, then crying about it is not the way to go.

We farm T3, people pour enough minerals to get decent T3 runs with arenas and treasure vault... not happy? well too bad, you should be happy

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Clwnbaby
@ Shamanala

No moron you can't build new gates cause EVERYONE is puttting their unused Minerals (blue and green) into the gates making the stack SO heavy that you can not break, I dont care who you are or how many minerals you got. Because of this only 2 stratums pop up every time. Also 2 treasure vaults always pop up. YOu're 2 cents aren't worth jack s#$t. Don't comment on something you know know nothing about moron.

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Acid-Snow
Damn!

I still don't know what exactly is going on here. Evidently, due to a pretty drastic gameplay change, the Arcade will be heavily biased toward particular strata. That's the only given I see.

You're saying that we can "just organize" to ensure that this isn't the case? Err yes, and if everyone just stayed home from work tomorrow, we'd really appreciate how much everyone's needed (if we're still alive). Any organization with many people requires some sort of training or planning, which few are likely to take up.

Other relevant comments hinted at the fairly well-established fact that, in a given stratum, the minerals which made it are less likely to show up. This may seem counterintuitive, but it sort of maintains the Arcade's equilibrium (negative feedback and all that). This still does not really let it recover well from a gameplay change as large as this. In short, there isn't much we can do, even if we are all on the same terms, so yes, this is a deservedly graveyarded thread.

But damn, I still didn't get a coherent explanation of how to trade Sprite food. "You cn trde food u craft at the fuud machiner" isn't working.

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Xwert
Welcome to the graveyard,

Welcome to the graveyard, here you find Undead beasts, the me! The person who stalks all the posts in the game =D

Do I post too much? If I do please tell me!

(If I do then Cirnothebaka does also..... Just they've been at it for forever, and me a few days...)

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Ryukusu-Luminarius
Interesting idea

I think thats interesting idea. But i try to get shiny mineral not for depositing it to arcade. I need that for prestige missions and nice numbers in minerals section.
If you'd deposit minerals, I'll deposite them all. And that would be almost the same number.

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Acid-Snow
@Xwert

Dude, I know what the Graveyard is. I was just ticked at how Clwnbaby, in effect, ragequit this argument and left me hanging on how to sell Sprite food. I won't bother asking anywhere else, as it seems a trivial matter; I have tried various things, to no avail.

And, in fact, you do not post enough *content* for your number of posts. Your posts are often shallow and uncontributory to the thread. I'm not awesome at that either, but that's part of the reason that I stay quiet.

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Maeko
@Acid The best way to sell

@Acid

The best way to sell Pet Food is just to throw it up on the Auction House, if that's what you meant. It's about the only thing anymore that remains unbound on craft. Or you can just trade it directly with another player through the trade function by clicking on their knight or icon.

Dunno wtf Snipe Food is, though.

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Gravelord-Caste
The Truths don't provide any Answers

(At the threat of taking a warning) I went to a poison and shock strata. By his reasoning, I should have found a lot of Dark matter. In truth, it was insignificant amounts, only amounting to 5 each (a lot of Luminite in the latter stratum, though).

Here's the facts:

1) Ignoring predetermined strata, no Tier will allow two of the same type of Strata (so there's no two freeze strata in Tier Two, for example).

2) Strata won't have many of the same minerals that created it. Anyone who says otherwise isn't to be trusted.

3) Multiple types of Strata are currently up, despite half of the being (admittedly useful) Freeze.

In other news, Clwnbaby has already contradicted himself twice, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did it a third time. I still can't see how we are all "idiots".