art thou enraged dear brother?

10 bucks says he uses auto aim too

meh.

at the end of the match, the auto-aimer has 2 Krogmo Coins, cash, and any prize given to the winner;
you get your loser's coin and the fuzzy glow of knowing you're not an auto-aiming $EPITHET like those guys.

I don't think you're going to get some kind of grassroots revolution by shaming people over the Internet.

I dont see any diff in Lockdown with auto lock on or off, is that normal?

If autoaim were really all that great, we'd see more autoguns in Lockdown.

As it stands, I can miss a charged needlegun blast more often than not.

It's not really that hard to hit with a 145 degree swing arc. I think your problem might be more with the Striker class than with auto aim. Even with the latest broad set of nerfs, the fact is that players can get in, swing Gran Faust once, murder everyone, and leave, often before other players can react due to sheer latency alone.

"OH yeah? Play me, we'll see who auto-aims. 10 bucks says I'll drop you like 5th period English"

The fact that you think dropping English would be a good idea says a lot honestly...

Anyways... I will give you the same answer I give people that whine about DA/GF... you have the exact same option to use it. If they are beating you and you're not using it then it's a lick on you for not taking a tactical advantage. If they're beating you and you ARE using it then it means they're better then you (and considering the OP I think that is the case more then Auto-Aim).

The real issue is that, aside from normal resist since almost all weapons do normal damage, armor means pretty little in lockdown. Acheron/GF will kill you just as fast in Deadshot as in Vog. Either damage for weapons needs to be lowered or armor needs to be increased for lockdown.

~Gwen

I have auto-aim turned off, and I lose to auto-aimers all the time. It's no big deal; it's just a game.

I play better without auto-aim; it's simply a matter of preference.

Not like auto-aim even makes you any tanker, it's still possible to dodge. its just a lock-on the moment you fire, it doesn't home, it's not a gunpuppy missile.

This is why you team up with a defender then tanker them out from the safety net of you defender buddy. :D

Beside, un-auto-aim allows for strategic shots, like shooting alchemers so they run into them, or exploding near-by explosive boxes. Pros and cons either way.

Auto-aimers have no "skills," and yet they're beating you. That's weird, isn't it? I would almost dare to say that a part of having "skills" is knowing which tools work best, and using them correctly. What kind of crazy world is this where people want to use the best tools available to them rather than intentionally handicapping themselves?! You know what, let's take this further. I vote we don't have any swords at all in Lockdown. Swords kill people too easily. Skilled players don't use swords. But wait, then Bombs and Guns would be overly useful for killing each other, so let's just get rid of all weapons in Lockdown. Truly skilled players can kill each other with no weapons at all.

Wouldn't it be great if the PVP assigned everyone the same weapon, say a bomb, for example? Then let's have it give everyone the same amount of HP so everyone dies in one hit, then everyone will be on equal footing. Then maybe we could have upgrade pickups that increase the number of bombs you can drop, maybe how big their blast is, and how fast you move. Wouldn't that be great? Oh, wait...

There will always be something overpowered, and every time an update comes to reduce its power level, something else will take its place as the new overpowered item. It's one big long circle of buffing and nerfing. Ever play Guild Wars? If you don't like auto-targeting sword users - find a counter for it, or use it yourself.

Would someone please ban this troll before he baits a bunch of people into feeding him?

@Eldibs

what, you want me to act like your completely vapid post had any sort of validity to it?
OK!

"I would almost dare to say that a part of having "skills" is knowing which tools work best, and using them correctly."
No, there is no skill in selecting the best weapons with the "best" options. It could take you 2 seconds to ask what they are in game or on the forums. Skill comes in play using these things, not simply selecting them.

"Auto-aimers have no "skills," and yet they're beating you."
they get kills from time to time that they would not have gotten if not for their crutch game mechanic.

And then you go on with some nonsense about nerfing actual in game weapons for balance purposes when it's not a valid comparison since auto lock is not an item, it is a personal gameplay mechanic that takes control of your character for you.

I mean, everyone at least agrees that it's a crutch right?

No, Jontlemen, it is not a crutch. It is possible, and in fact, very common to miss with auto-target. All it does is make it a tad easier. Auto-target does NOT guarantee a hit, it just corrects for minor errors in cursor placement. If you have your cursor on the opposite side of your knight from your enemy, you're going to miss, period. You still have to get close, you still have to have skill. I have seen uncountable numbers of knights miss with auto-target. You guys are acting like auto-target makes you hit every time no matter what.

"No, there is no skill in selecting the best weapons with the "best" options. It could take you 2 seconds to ask what they are in game or on the forums. Skill comes in play using these things, not simply selecting them."

I didn't say the skill was just in knowing which tools to use. You clearly missed the "and using them correctly" part I put at the end there. Maybe read the whole sentence next time.

"they get kills from time to time that they would not have gotten if not for their crutch game mechanic."

No, they get lots of kills because you feel the need to intentionally cripple yourself, and they therefore win the match, causing you to come onto the forums and complain that they won't play by your arbitrary combat rules. It's like you went to war with a slingshot, and then complained because the other side brought machine guns. "But guys! Machine guns aren't fair! You have to use slingshots too!"

"And then you go on with some nonsense about nerfing actual in game weapons for balance purposes when it's not a valid comparison since auto lock is not an item, it is a personal gameplay mechanic that takes control of your character for you."

Weapons are a "gameplay mechanic" that apply another "gameplay mechanic," namely damage, to other players for you, which reduces another "gameplay mechanic" - their health, which will eventaully cause, you guessed it, a "gameplay mechanic" called 'dying'. Every single feature of the game is a "gameplay mechanic." If you're going to nerf one "gameplay mechanic" for being too good, you might as well start nerfing the rest.

Edit: Also - well put, moogzor.

any team that stands on a point and doesn't either a: bomb the crap out of it b: have a shield up, deserves to get wiped.

Someone give this man a huge ton of cookies, he deserves them.

It's just a game, why bother to argue over something so simple and stupid? O_o
Auto-targeting is just a default that it's on. Not many people care to bother with turning it on or off. They ignore it, in fact they rarely notice they're even using it. Besides, even with it on, they still have the same likeliness to die like you do; the only difference is who's using it and who's not.

EoS just beat Knightmare 4 times in a row and we're still going.

We don't camp...
we fight to the death with FFs.

Aside from cobby....

Wait, so Golga and Shi-somthing and all the others aren't good?

@Jontlemen

"But your chances are better if you have it on , so it is still a crutch."

A crutch is something that eneables you to walk when you otherwise couldn't. A walking stick is something that makes walking easier when you could already walk. You are referring to the latter. What I really love is that you call it a crutch, and then accuse me of using a strawman argument by saying you guys are acting like it guarantees a hit.

"Look, auto-lock is the only mechanic in the game that takes control of your character away from you. That makes it completely incomparable with all that crap you posted."

This goes with that as well. Make up your mind. Does auto-lock fight the battle for you, or doesn't it? The truth is, for the last time AUTO-LOCK DOES NOT MAKE YOU WIN EVERY TIME, IT DOES NOT CONTROL YOUR CHARACTER FOR YOU, AND DOES NOT GUARANTEE A HIT. You still have to use some skill, and get your swings fairly close to your target to land. Also, if your target is in the middle of kiting when you swing, chances are good that you will miss your swing. Am I going to have to post a video of people missing with auto-lock to get this through to you?

"And so you're still claiming that choosing the "best" options is skill, why did you even bother writing this? You just said the same thing."

You're still ignoring the "using them correctly" part at the end. It's like if I said "a bicycle is two wheels, a frame, and a seat," and you accused me of saying a bicycle was two wheels and nothing else. The sentence doesn't end until you see a period, exclamation mark, or question mark.

"I am a gunslinger for the most part so auto-aim is actually bad for me since I actually have to lead my shots :/
I've won most matches I've been in and was in the top 100 as of a few hours ago (probably not anymore :P)"

Then why are you here complaing about auto-lock? If you're doing as well as you claim, without using the thing you claim is overpowered, then it obviously can't be as powerful as you're making it out to be. So, either...

A) You're lying about how good you're doing, or
B) Your arguments are invalid because you're doing well despite auto-lock.

Which is it? Also, you keep saying things like this - "Honestly, do any of you have any argument for why we shouldn't get rid of auto-lock? Or how the game would be worse if we got rid of it?" You keep implying that you've won the argument. I call "Danth’s Law" on this.

@DarknessAwai

Actually, you can set it to only have auto-lock on when you hold down a certain key. It allows you to use auto-lock when you have a single target you want to stick to, and to have it off when you want to attack a whole group. Also, I'll take chocolate chip.

Pfft, I wish we could 1v1. That would be the easiest way to settle so many disputes.

You'd be probably better off just ignoring those trolls :3
I mean they won't have much left to say, in such case!

agrees w/ Eldibs.

If the devs allowed auto-target and some use it, so be it . end of story. stop whining, go to the suggestion forums and petition you d like it removed for x,y, z reasons and wait...

Maybe it is unbalanced, maybe it s not, but it is not "cheating " . Cheating means hacks the devs did not intend.

herp derp auto aim is for losers

Why do people insist that auto aim is for noobs?!

Personally, I used to use it. But I preferred to be able to shoot strategically so I got rid of it.

I agree with Eldibs. Auto aiming DOES NOT guarantee a hit! The BEST auto aim game I ever played was Gundam Omni VS zaft, in which no matter where you go, you character will do anything to fire in the direction of your auto-targeted enemy, even spin, flip, stop moving entirely, or even make you change direction. (because your characters auto aim is compulsory, ie, you cant turn it off, and someone, if there is any target anywhere, even out of range, will be targeted immediately)

AND YOU CAN STILL MISS! Auto-AIM, not homing-grade lock-on!

Srsly, they have to be pointing in your general direction to even initiate the auto-aim. No-one will be able to run into an area Antigua blazing and hit everyone in a 5 cm radius.

EVEN SO! Then change you gear class dammit! If you're going Striker, then don't complain about getting killed by some guy running around auto-aiming. HP reduction means you die faster.
Options:
- Change to Guardian, shield, wait till he reloads, then whack him to death.
- Change to Recon, hide and hope he's now useless that he has no auto-aim (rolls eyes), go close, then whack him to death.
- Stick with striker, dash around the dude till he reloads and whack him to death.
(Defender is more versatile. Team up with another player to take him out with it.

A game gets you to adapt, not complain about how nothing fits your style. In a FPS game, don't enter a Sniper match with an assault rifle then complain that Snipes can kill from uber-distance and you can't hit anything. Then get a sniper! (example btw, not saying anyone actually DOES this.) ADAPT to a new play style, or just fish around for a better tactic!

Sheesh.

I'll bet someones gonna quote me and say how badly I blow things out of proportion and that I keep saying things that no-one has said. Classic.

Today I soloed the clockworks. It was fun! <3 Wish you all could've been there, we took down two Arenas almost flawlessly. Felt very satisfying!

English is important.

dats wot my teecher sed bt i had no promblems witout et
english is 4 chumpz and shakspear