Spiral Knights - faust and gran faust (yes, again)

faust and gran faust (yes, again)

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Sun, 09/18/2011 - 09:43

The-Big-Wallet

well, i know i already made a topic speaking about this(and i apologize for that) mainly cause it was a little dumb because the arguments were not so "valid" i think, but now i have done a little research (and by research i mean getting gran faust x_x) and i had the chance to compare the 4* faust and the 5* gran faust, and here's what i think about this.

the 4* faust has a 3 seconds charge time for charged attack with heat level on 0. and 2 secs charge time in lvl 10 heat. wich consists in a single bullet blade that has a reasonable chance of causing curse(to enemies and to yourself).

the 5* gran faust has a 5 seconds charge time for charged attack with heat in lv 0. and 4 secs charge time in lvl 10 heat. wich consists in a giant bullet blade that has a reasonable chance of causing curse (to enemies and to yourself).

oh and also some people said that gran faust has more chance of causing curse than the faust... and i must say (with all due respect): that's [crap]
both of them have the same chance of causing curse.

and now o comparison with divine avenger (i know a lot of ppl say that its not fair to compare them because of the curse being a powerful state but i rly don't get that because when it curses you then you'll have a rly tough time trying to survive for 40 secs... isn't that enough?)

divine avenger has a 3 secs CT in lvl 0 heat and 2 secs in lvl 10 heat. and consists in 3 normal bullet blades ( covering a larger area than the giant bullet blade of gran faust in a LOT less time than gran faust)

so the piont to this is: is really worth it to upgrade your faust to a gran faust? i mean... the only difference with gran faust is that it has a giant bullet blade and a longer CT, but this seems more of a de-evolution because i can hardly tell the difference between the "giant" bullet blade of gran faust and the one of the 4* faust, and it takes more than twice the time to make a charged attack.

i think they should at least reduce the CT for the gran faust's charged attack isn't it?

and that's all. now i want to hear what you think about this.

PS: i dont want to see more comments saying of the arguments being valid or not, if you don't believe me, then go do the testing yourself (i tested this 3 swords with a chronometer like 10 times and the results were almost the same every time)

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 11:15

Nummy

Plus,

faust does more damage then it's big brother.

Sun, 09/18/2011 - 22:28

Psychorazer

In the same Teir?

Really? Are you sure it wasn't the Tier debuff effect? How is this possible?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 05:49

The-Big-Wallet

CT in different tiers

different tiers don't affect the weapon's charge time, only damage.

and i know, i had the same reaction when i just realized that i spent 800 ce to make my faust slower LOL

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 16:12

QuoteFanboy

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My suggestions on the matter.

The gran faust does have a higher curse rate, I've noticed this with me using my faust, and my friend using his gran faust.

Nevertheless, I agree the faust line needs a buff.

Perhaps one of these can do it:

A.) Increased attacked speed.
The meter shows the attack speed of the faust is doubled, or even more, then its counterpart the divine avenger. Perhaps when it hits gran Faust status that speed comes into play. I understand, the attack speed is there, but it's so insignificant that it's barely recognizable. Especially to it's DOUBLED BAR. Perhaps it should actually swing much faster, like noticeably faster. Although, because of lock down, people may complain about this, but I still think it should be considered. If not at least fixed on the meter because it's that much faster.

B.) Charge time Reduction:
Read solution above.

C.) Charge attack Buff:
Perhaps the sword should be a tad larger, move slower but grind longer. Perhaps even give it a bit of a suction ability to grab people, and with the increase grind, aka amount of hits, it would do more damage and have a better chance to actually curse.

D.)Remove Self curse rate, or keep it as it was
Arguement 1: Removing
The only other weapon in this game that can effect you like the faust's Curse is the Fang of Vog's Burn, but to what I'm told the FoV's burn isn't that bad, unless you're in t3, when it comes to the burn with max fire resist. It literally has the strongest charge in this game, the FoV, but the gran faust, the only other double edged sword, is being overshadowed by the sword which has no risk at all. That's like the Levi having a better charge then the FoV in power. That's how the Gran faust feels to the Divine avenger right now.

Arguement 2: Keep it as it was
As a Faust my friend, who made basically full curse resist on his armor, Never self cursed. Ever. Not once, but then when he turned into the Gran Faust he got cursed again. Sure, it was 1 item for about 20 seconds, but still he can get cursed. Why did they make the sword curse you harder for the cost of 800 CE? That seems rather stupid, in my opinion, to give the sword a stronger debuff upon getting stronger. The charge attack is actually recognized, by most people that I know, as a worse charge attack due to it's lack of versatility and coverage. The damage on the avenger's 3 blades, each, is the same as the large blade given by the faust (if you consider neutral damage), only thing is the large blade doesn't cover as much of an area. Therefore it seems overall worse. Sure, it can curse, but the curse can also effect you. Now if you could wear curse resist armor and not get this, like it could on the faust, it wouldn't be so bad, but you can because they increase the curse power on yourself when you upgrade. That seems rather stupid, and should probably be removed regardless.

These are just my simple suggestions on buffing it. I'm not asking to put all of them in. Just one at least.

Mon, 09/19/2011 - 13:50

Orangeo

Wouldn't it be funny If

Wouldn't it be funny If someone in three rings just swhooped the statuses around by accident?

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:57

The-Big-Wallet

yea it wud be

if they at least fix it XP.... but srsly fix it ._.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:45

Orangeo

I think theres some hidden

I think theres some hidden advantage, that three rings dosen't want to openly give out. I mean, they must not fix the big angry bomb for a reason. I bet it's one of those difficult-to-handle things that is pro if you use it right.

Tue, 09/27/2011 - 16:03

Avihr

finally

someone has realized that GF sucks LOLZ

and BTW Orangeo... by "using it right" you mean a CTR UV? LOLz

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