@Varja

That joke wasn't in bad taste at all.

...I always thought the longer you last the better....I guess I was wrong =0

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I now want to see who can last the longest in the last bullet phase of Vanaduke solo.

ey guys!!!.... look at the second stage, a good teamwork. All coordinated.

I know there are people envious and malicious. just say that I pity their souls xD!

this is just practice and nothing else

bye.

I love how everyone comments about Magnus being an egomaniacal show-off jerk, and then we just have little gems like these:

Magnus, you are history.... you are a boy jealous :P. ¡U LOSER!
and... MAGNUS PLZ KID!!!, DONT CRY IN YOUTUBE... U R HISTORY...

Nice run. Can still be improved a bit, I'd say. But what I said in the previous thread about this still stands; This doesn't take actual skill, just good teamwork and coordination.

I had to mute the audio and it was hard to watch the video because it's distorted (16:9 resized to 4:3?)

The second video presentation is a bit better though.

Why do people continually emphasize the concept of 'real skill' as though such a thing exists, can be properly defined or more importantly is relevent in anyway to such an easy game? I can understand it in games with a genuinely relevent competetive metagame but in something like Spiral Knights? Really? More importantly the implication that co-ordination and teamwork aren't actual skills in a game based around its co-operative play is a laughable notion. The shivermist argument is at least reasonable since it does actually take a great deal of what little difficulty there is out of the game, even if I don't personally think it devalues the video in anyway.

Anyhow the run itself was great you chould probably shave a few more seconds off but I'd say we're starting to get somewhat close to the fastest possible times vanaduke is realistically possible in, well with three needles anyhow. That being said I'm really puzzled as to why it's in 4:3 since you really shouldn't be uploading anything that isn't 16:9 to Youtube, the player simply doesn't accomodate it properly and the video ends up looking pretty bad. Throwing pointless imflammatory remarks in the description is also pretty dumb, but given the nature of the last 10 video-related threads in the forum I suppose asking for otherwise would be expecting too much.

wow good work . congratulation !

p/s .I would never criticize anyone for doing something that better than I do . I congrats them instead : )

I don't intend to turn this into an argument so I won't reply more than this once.
What I imply as "personal" skill has no regards to teamwork.

Additonally, I measure it in this sense:
I have no UVs on my gear. I commonly beat down people with massive UVs in lockdown. That's just one example of it, really, where skill is of more value than the UV or gear.

"I don't intend to turn this into an argument so I won't reply more than this once.
What I imply as "personal" skill has no regards to teamwork."

Which is completely fine provided you realize that "skill" isn't a universal thing applied to one trait and that even if they haven't displayed any 'personal' skill as you put it (Which I will assume refers to their ability to play on their own merits in a solo circumstance without minimizing difficulty with gear, or something along the lines for the sake of simplicity) that doesn't devalue the skill demonstrated in teamwork, proper co-ordination and functioning correctly in a group, even if they are different skills it is still 'skill' all the same and to devalue one demonstration of a skill in favour of another is just silly.

@Sunken: More or less. The PvE component of the game is simply pattern recognition, and the only other 'skillful' components to the game in their own right are market manipulation and teamwork. Well I suppose Blast Network could arguably require a different set of skills to be good at it but I wouldn't really consider it a significant enough part of the game to care.

:(..

Very nice video and very well coordinated, gratz !

And yes Eldibs is right you can improve it using one plague needle instead of one blitz needle in the team.

And of course all gunners using ctr vh blitz/plague with two gun dmg+ trinkets. (if this is not already the case, but I think it is from the video)

Gunners can even wear a Shadowsun Slicker and a Shadowsun Stetson (for the gun dmg+ medium) to achieve gun dmg+ max with the trinkets...

Shivermist ctr vh bomber can also wear some bomb dmg+ trinkets/armor to still gather some more damages...

So someone will have to challenge this record :)

No, biz is right. It is cute that you think Vanaduke means anything. Come to the test server, we have things to show you.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough; I didn't mean that coordination and teamwork isn't skill, just rather, there is not much of it to perform something like this in particular, specially when it's been done by dozens of other people before. Being the first to think up this strategy and perform it well is sure admirable, but when you can watch people executing it, you'll know what to do and it won't be nearly as "difficult" to pull this off.

@Mereke - ...but you provoked him first, which makes you much more of a jerk than he supposedly is? Besides, it's just a witty remark. Don't go around pulling off a Chris and calling everyone who criticizes you or just plays around with you to be "mad and jealous".

Blitz vs Plague: Perhaps it'd be worth taking one Plague needle if the rest of the party was using Blitz, without any Shivermist; Otherwise, poison vials from the Shivermist bomber work better.

I think you guys could do better by being more careful, and not getting hit by things that are easy to avoid.
Other then that, congratulations.

Too soon Varja, too soon. Try again in 20 years.

Can you stop replacing the game audio with music in the video? It's distasteful, unfitting, and could get you in trouble. The third video in the link got blocked from YouTube due to copyright issues.

Yeah, I meant 2:05, not 1:65. Sorry, had a derp moment there. >_<

I like the music.

I'm at a loss as to how anyone can dislike the song on Camo's video, even if the attitude of the guys in this group is annoying.

Nice run, but when it comes to speed runs being better than other speed runs, it really does just take coordination.

Next time, please drop the AHAHA IN UR FACEEEEEE! attitude, it's intensely obnoxious.

Congrats guys! I bet with that strategy and a better layout/luck you could be down to about 1:20.