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What if the Core is not "Tier 4"? *Spoilers?*

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Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:16
Aumir's picture
Aumir

I was writing a post about "opening the core" in the Spanish forums when I related the lore and something came to my thoughts: "What if the Core isn't an actual Tier to fight on at all?" I know that some people more knowing of the lore may already know this, but people think the game will continue in the Core, me myself thought until now that it would, but I don't see it happening anymore. Why? Well, I read again the messages from the Echo Stones and I saw why.

From Ironclaw Munitions Factory Echo Stone:
"This world was created to protect me. Vulnerable in slumber, worlds were drawn to shield me from the darkness. This world has become my prison. In his madness, the architect betrayed the pact. Twisting his creation into a game of death, it now devours all who enter its iron embrace."
This one Echo Stone holds the big spoilery content. I will explain my point of view and shorten a bit more this:

> This world was created to protect me. Vulnerable in slumber, worlds were drawn to shield me from the darkness. This world has become my prison.
The mysterious voice it is actually whoever is at the Core. The Core it is sealed, as we all know... that shield is to protect it against that darkness, the Swarm. That includes, of course, the inclusion of Almire around the Core, to protect the Core too. This voice also wants our success and it is willing to help us get off Cradle. Why?

From Royal Jelly Palace Echo Stone:
I dream... Within my dream, I see your legion, falling to this world like burning stars. You fall with purpose, burning ever brighter as you reach for the heart of this world. Hold dearly this fire in you, for darkness will consume all the night if its stars begin to fade.
And shortened:

> You fall with purpose, burning ever brighter as you reach for the heart of this world.
The entity sees us that we have a noble purpose, so it is siding with us. This means that when we meet it, we won't fight it and give us what we need to leave Cradle.

This would have been all by now, but I have more to say yet: The Alpha Squad. They went to the Core, as Vaelyn tells the team at the Core terminal saw them go there. In the Core seems that what is there is that entity (and the energy source, which could be also energy radiated by itself), so the Alpha Squad seems to be safe then. What are they doing now? Maybe training to fight the Swarm, because if not by then they would have returned to tell us all. Another choice that would explain why they haven't returned yet is that the Alpha Squad is holding the opening process of the Core through our minerals with their own energy, possibly harming them. If the Swarm were not to be defeated they would die and the Core would open, letting the darkness in and all hell would break loose as the Swarm corrupted the energy source. Which for plot purposes most likely won't happen unless OOO likes really dark stories.

This leaves the "what now?" question: The inminent danger that we know is the Swarm, which seems to be expanding its influence around the Clockworks after King Trikinzar let it free as explains clearly. We don't know if we would be able to fight the Swarm by using pure force, but we do know where the culprit about freeing the Swarm is: in the Great Colony, King Trikinzar, who to get rid of us all had freed the Swarm. I do know that the "game of death" part may refer to the Clockworks itself, but who else would do it? King Trikinzar is even refered to as "maniacal leader" in the wiki...

What most likely awaits us Knights is going to the Great Colony, as that is what the story about Emberlight tell where the Gremlins reside. They would tell us where that is and we would go to meet the Crimson Order. We don't know though if King Trikinzar returned safely after freeing the Swarm as it could have corrupted him, but that would most likely be the course of action that we would have to take at least, and trying to know more about the Swarm and how to stop it before it inmerses all the Clockworks into its darkness. Then there could be three possibilities:

1 - What may hold back the Swarm again is in the Crimson Order, we use it and get rid of its continuous expansion. The darkness at the Shadow Lairs may not expand anymore, but it is left there. Also, to hold the Swarm may require to do some "Unknown Passage" levels inside the Swarm in order to stop it.
2 - King Trikinzar isn't there nor what we need to fight the Swarm, though the Crimson Order fears about all Gremlins safety and tell us where he went, which would start another episode. They may also know or not what to do to hold the Swarm, though that in practical effects would affect little to the plot. This would mean a possible new sets of levels of the Swarm, which would end against a corrupted King Trikinzar. This would end up holding the Swarm and it wouldn't expand anymore.
3 - Twist! After defeating King Trikinzar he says he isn't responsible for the Swarm release, someone else did it and they have something required to hold the Swarm again. Cue yet another mission or chain of missions that would require us to go wherever it is needed. And as number 1, it may require also to enter the Swarm to use the item and hold the Swarm.

After this, if not another danger appears, the Core will most likely accept us and open up itself, ending our adventures in Cradle. That doesn't mean that the game would end there, though... we don't know at all what would be then next.

Yeah, I may have overthought this quite a lot, but that is what reading does, expand our imagination to crazy lengts, right? Now if I am wrong, please tell me inmediately before I go even more crazy xD

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 21:22
#1
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer
Too late

You've reached just below my level of insanity. You are now officially too far-gone. You cannot be saved.

There is still hope for you, though. Join me, and we will rule the universe as father and son!

*Khhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh**kshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh**khhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*kshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*

Mon, 11/14/2011 - 22:12
#2
Flists's picture
Flists
Hmmmmmmm.... Needs more

Hmmmmmmm....
Needs more marinara sauce. Meat is pretty good though.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:31
#3
Martinsen's picture
Martinsen
I didn't bother reading your

I didn't bother reading your LOOONG post, so this might be just what you said already; But I thought the core was ... sort of, keeping the swarm from escaping? Like a cage, sort of. Only with a HUGE lock on it. s:

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 00:40
#4
Flists's picture
Flists
No no, Marinsen, you have to

No no, Marinsen, you have to read the whole thing. It's really quite delicious.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 03:18
#5
Quandasim's picture
Quandasim
i fear

i fear, that core wil be yet anorther expensive extra content like shadow lair.. so vanaduke runs ftw

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 05:08
#6
Schwarze's picture
Schwarze
Honestly, I think you might

Honestly, I think you might be wrong about Tinkinzar being responsible for the swarm.
The Echo says "the architect" which would be the originial creator. The lore of the game states that while the gremlins tend to the clockworks' maintenance, they wouldn't have the power to create it entirely. That implies that there was some other sentient entity responsible for Cradle's birth.

But I agree that, while the Core might be a benevolent entity, the swarm is revealed as our new, true enemy, so bets are placed on that being the future direction of the storyline.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 14:28
#7
Josebrocha
This totally seems viable! I

This totally seems viable!
I was asking people why the core was in the background of the shadow lairs promos aha

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 14:42
#8
Jonathansiu's picture
Jonathansiu
haha really really nice

haha really really nice interpretation and logical sense there. lol it's just reading Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code and the Angels & Demons :)

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 15:51
#9
Keelan's picture
Keelan
That explanation makes too

That explanation makes too much sense to be true.

Tue, 11/15/2011 - 16:54
#10
Endgame
How I think the timeline

How I think the timeline goes:

1. King tinkinzar and his people search for a new home, and come across the entity leaving the echo modules.
2. It is a source of limitless energy, more than enough to supply the gremlins with the power they desire.
3. The entity and the King form a "pact" - since the entity is extremely vulnerable, he and his poeple will build it a shell of protection, "The Core", while they use the energy to construct a planet.
4. They "eat" planets using thier new generator, adding them to cradle.
5. The process soon goes awry, and they engulf the planet that will hold thier doom - the one containing the Swarm. (Thereotically, this could be dark city.)
6. The swarm spreads across it's new romping grounds, corrupting the King, causing him to side with them and help them with their goal:
7. They desire to crack the shell holding the energy source. (This would be betraying the pact.)
8. Later, mistaking the Skylark for something he could engulf into the Clockworks, the now insane King Tinkinzar sucks it in, only to realize a band of knights was on board.
9. Seeing the knights as a potent threat, the King transforms the clockworks into a deathtrap with the Swarm's help ("Turned his creation into a game of death") fearing the knights could thereotically kill off the swarm.
10. The swarm, originally a weak species that could only corrupt people to fit thier needs, are forced down to the darkest depths of the clcokworks.
11. Since energy radiation becomes more potent as you go closer to the core (That is why our weapons get stronger, folks), the Swarm builds and power and will soon try to crack open the core, and corrupt the entity.
12. If they suceed, all hell breaks loose and we all die!

Very nice theory, OP.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 00:27
#11
Zincknight's picture
Zincknight
however its certain there will be sth to fight in the core

or there wouldnt be any explanation for the arsenal chest placed in depth 29

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:02
#12
Skyrazer's picture
Skyrazer
Very good theory... Even too

Very good theory... Even too good! Darn if this were the real plot, things would get really interesting !

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 17:19
#13
Eltia's picture
Eltia
Xenogears

Core = Zohar reactor, an unlimited power source that traps a God like being inside.

Cradle = The reactor shell with its interface and defense systems. (Think Gremlins as a species that were either indiced or enslaved by the Cradle.)

What happened before we crash landed on cradle.

Someone opened the Core by chance. The God like being inside wanted to escape its prison but didn't want to harm the beings that dependent on him. So he formed a pact with that person (the Contact), so the being could experience the world through the Contact without leaving the shell (Cradle). In return, the God like being would grant him part of its power and immortal life.

After eons of endless wandering, the Contact got tired of being the eyes and ears of the God (like the Wandering Jew, it became a curse). So using the power he was granted, he created the Swarm, a virus that would corrupt the Cradle. His rationale was that, since God wanted to be free, he would be doing the being a favour by breaking its prison, and the Contact's curse would be broken (and so he could die in peace).

The God like being could not do a thing about the Swarm because he was imprisoned by the Cradle. Luckily for him, Spiral Knights crash landed. Knowing the Knights had noble intention, God believed they maybe the key to stop the Swarm infection and returned the Contact to him. In return, it will grant the Knights the energy to continue their journey.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 21:51
#14
Aumir's picture
Aumir
@Eltia and of course, all xD

Thanks for the support guys xD It is what being sleepy makes people do... really, I was sleepy making this.

Actually, the voice from the Core (if we can all agree it is from there) said that the Core was made so it would shield it from the "darkness", which by infecting the Clockworks creates the Swarm. The darkness and the Swarm by itself can't open it, but we are trying to open it with the minerals, so if opened the Swarm may enter the Core and infect it or something worse. That is why we must defeat/seal the Swarm and its origin first before we open it with our minerals.

Why would the architect (the King OR another which we may not know) betray the Core entity? I dunno, but maybeyour "inmortality as a curse" idea can work.

And I think the timeline may be in another way... Cradle lore I think talks about Wolvers being one of the first tribes in Cradle along Owlites and Kats. Then The Kats invaded the Owlites, and after Kat victory they did something which cursed them to be undead forever if I am not mistaken. The devilites have no especified origin I think (may be related to the darkness being themselves "mini devils"?). Gremlins have been said not to be the original Cradle population because of this, and it may make them "successors" of the possible "original architect"... I may think about this later, I don't have enough ene... I mean, I am too sleepy today already xD

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 22:48
#15
Chris's picture
Chris
I think we will get some

I think we will get some levels to clear before the core.

Sat, 11/19/2011 - 03:26
#16
Xeno-Orange's picture
Xeno-Orange
Well, considering at the last

Well, considering at the last current depth, the core is just right there, sitting, taunting, and ask for a REALLY big key, and there is kinda a gap between it and the walls around it, I'd say T4 is core.

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 14:05
#17
Leafblader's picture
Leafblader
moo

This needs a necro it is awesome.
Now I still wonder what Vog will do........

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 18:28
#18
Artistbma's picture
Artistbma
DUDE.

STOP IT. STOP NECROING THREADS.

And 'sides, we all know Vog is the entity in the core. Isnt it OBVIOUS?

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 18:31
#19
Fallconn's picture
Fallconn
FALCON PUNCH!

No.

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 19:26
#20
Fiery-Diskgun's picture
Fiery-Diskgun
Extra boss

My friend had an idea that the core could be an actual boss......

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 19:28
#21
Fiery-Diskgun's picture
Fiery-Diskgun
Extra boss

I thought it was agood idea

Tue, 07/31/2012 - 19:29
#22
Fiery-Diskgun's picture
Fiery-Diskgun
Extra boss

:P

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 08:16
#23
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

...apparently you think triple posting is a good idea, too.
This speaks magnitudes.

(Dibs on Endgame's theory, though.)

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:00
#24
Tersakaff's picture
Tersakaff

How is Leafblader not bananad yet.

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