It would be a four round gun with normal speed. Its charge will be like the Snarble Barb line's one but with more range.

I like this. But it looks kinda funny with the circle hanging on the back, i think its unnecessary if it already has that thing on the middle, but yeah a snarbolax gun would be cool.

Why is the there 2* and 3* versions of the it in the picture?
The Antigua line starts at 3*: http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Antigua

Not 1*.

I like Atrumvindex's idea for the charge attack. It would also be cool if the 5* version had a holographic Snarby blast at the end of the charge.

Also, I wish the Snarby rewards had a 5* branch for the Santuary Alchemy machine for shadow damage/resistance.

There is just a need for more weapons in the Snarbolax line. I find there's very few...I mean we can only choose three stuff from the token vendor!

Yes! This is just what we need - and awesome art :3

[OP Same guild swag.]

Okay, so I got looking at the concept art Inco posted and that got me thinking, and this might just be me, but doesn't a handgun-styled snarby weapon seem a bit high-tech?

Like, the rest of the snarb-quipment is all fairly basic and rooted in the sort of atmosphere of the lair: Dark, woodsy, barbarous, in a way primal. And then it hit me:

Bow and arrow!

Wait, I thought [and hear me out on this one], that would probably clip and conflict with a bunch of other stuff and generally be a pain to make work to just carry around, let alone shoot. Not only that, but the title of the arsenal section {Handguns} would not be entirely accurate. But then it hit me again:

Crossbow.

It would even be neat from a gameplay perspective, let alone fairly easy to construct: a fairly simple, yet very Snarby gun that would, at max level, have 1 clip size and fire 3 fairly-fast arrows [Bolts?] at once. Earlier versions could fire only one, charge shot could be like 7 at a time, who knows.

Conceptually, I get the idea of something like this [Yes, it's a TF2 item.]: http://media.steampowered.com/apps/440/icons/c_crusaders_crossbow_large....

Just throwing ideas out here, but I think it'd be an interesting and fun new weapon.

This is the same thing as JK and bomb. You can get a sword and a gun, but no bomb. I love this idea, but i will love even more a JK bomb.

Well, I don't think there is a snarbolax gun because he's mainly a melee boss, you don't think of Snarbolax as a gun type of beast. Thats why you can get two very good guns from the Gun themed boss, the roarmulus twins. Now Antigua and Sealed sword aren't based off of Jelly king. Theres no jelly king based bomb because there is a snarbolax based bomb and they would both do piercing damage. Pulsar and Catalyzer aren't directly based off of The roarmulus twins, but it makes sense to get guns from their tokens as well as a shock bomb. A Snarbolax gun wouldn't really work because the sword line's charge IS the projectiles that Snarbolax shoots. Im not going against your idea, I see you spent time thinking about this. Also, Snarbolax already has armor, cap, shield, sword, bomb all based off of him. I don't think its needed to give him yet another item.

An idea hit me:

"Tranquilizer" 5* This would make it a bit different from the other snarbolax weapons.

It would be a piercing antigua line (no different) except for it causes sleep. A chance of course.

1. It makes sense cause you would tranquilize things with something like an antigua
2. You tranquilize beasts so that only makes sense on a piercing antigua
3. We need to test out if sleep is an OP in lockdown or bad status (we cannot assume either just because you heal during / vulnerable. The healing is slow for one.) We need it in the game eventually and this is the perfect time!
4. It would make dodgers easy to hit when have been slopen (sleepen?)
5. It'd just be awesome.

And sorry if this thread was days ago. My options to post my idea was this because I would've been told:
1. Go to this thread how dare you make a new one

or
2. Necro a thread only days ago

but personally, i liked your original design much better :)

Yes, please, make this happen!

Flying Carrot

Why should Snarb give 3 weapon types? RT gives armour, guns and bombs, JK gives armour, swords and guns, Vana gives armour, shields and swords, Snarb gives swords and bombs.

Why should Snarbles be any different than all the other bosses?

Off-topic, but the Snarbolax in the top right corner of the picture is absolutely adorable! But what I was thinking was maybe the Snarbolax Crossbow should be a shotgun type weapon, similar to the Snarble Barb charge attack and it's one shot before reloading, does as much damage as the needles, and the charge attack is a wolver running, acting like the Antigua 5* charge bird. T2 could be a wolver, 4* could be an Alpha wolver, and 5* could be a mini Snarbolax.

Yes +1 this snarbolax gun is a must!!!!

And not necessarily the crossbow? We want to make suggestions simple or it would be tough to implement...

The original design was PERFECT!!!!

And the 5* could be a tranquilizer with a slight chance of sleep

And of course if someone just scrolled to bottom, its a pure piercing antigua to compliment the new pure shadow sentenza and pure elemental AP :D

Because a piercing antigua is something gunners WANT!!!!

Devs, do you have any thoughts on this possibly being implemented? It just seems too perfect.

Well I think that the shots should be a bit different... I do love the crossbow-like design... so i'll go with that...

A four round clip that shoots Piercing damage, Piercing rounds... meaning they go through 2+ foes...

The charge launching a row of spike similar to when snarby is underground... 5* gaining a holo of snarby and twice as many spikes... zigzagging...

Eeeh... my 2 cents...

~Tsu

NOTE: apologies before-hand for double posting. I am going to use it as organization because I am asking a favor to refer to this post.

Here is a list of reasons why this is teh most awesomest suggestion EVAR thanks so much Incoherrant:

1. We have a great graphics design by Incoherrant.
2. This would push the barrier of AP going pure elemental and Sentenza going pure shadow.
3. This would be the 6-shot gun to use on Vanaduke now to replace AP once it goes pure elemental.
4. It would not overshadow the two current piercing guns. Snarbolax Gun would be a median between Callahan's usefulness on dodgers and Blitz's DPS, but not significant in any of the two compared to the two guns.
>4A. Callahan is utility, hits dodgers the best and deals high damage per shot, something desired for dodgers. It would remain the best gun for dodgers.
>4B. Blitz Needle is DPS, it can hit dodgers but it leaves you immobile, making you vulnerable.
5. It would be easy to implement.
6. It would help new players that aspire to be gunners, giving them an earlier piercing gun option than 3*.
7. It would make Snarbolax token gear as it should be, the boss to go to for starter gear of any kind.
8. It is a POSSIBLE gun to test out the Sleep status > add a slight chance to sleep on the 5* making it a roleplay-fitting "Tranquilizer." It wouldn't be an overpowered controllable sleep like a bomb, it would be more random. Again, just a test to put sleep into the game and find out its power which is perfect for a slight chance gun.

Wow, 8 reasons ( 7 are for sure unique ) if anyone has any more please post below.

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My idea for names, of course we still have to complete the task of coming up with names.

Thorn Shot 2*
Twisted Thorn Shot 3*
Dark Repeater 4*
Tranquilizer / Barbarous Repeater 5* (Name depends on wether or not Devs would use it to test out the sleep status)

2. This would push the barrier of AP going pure elemental and Sentenza going pure shadow.
Actually, it's probably more accurate to say that another piercing gun might come out only IF the Antigua's change, they won't take new ideas to further encourage the current decision. They'll decide first, then any new possible guns will come out.

5. It would be easy to implement.
Why is this everyone's first go-to excuse? Implementing a new weapon requires concept of their design, modelling for the gun, rigging the animations, getting the stats right and balanced, testing it, then applying it in game and just hoping that it doesn't upset people enough to get new rage topics come up. New weapons are NOT just "easy to implement".

6. It would help new players that aspire to be gunners, giving them an earlier piercing gun option than 3*.
Altough I agree that gunners are a bit screwed in early stages right now, that's nothing to do with lack of guns, and like I said earlier; Snarby would be the only boss to give access to all three weapons and shields; hardly fair on the other bosses. Gunners have a pretty wide selection of weapons from the start onwards, and pierce isn't important for low-stars, since all pierce-weak mobs are dodgers; later level gunners CAN hit dodgers, but it's not their primary job to, therefore no point getting low level gunners practiced into the idea of attacking a dodger. Besides, autogun starts at 2* and is all but free on the AH; will deal with dodgers nicely, as will alchemers if they don't like static guns. I just threw together a gunner the other day for my fanfic and can deal with dodgers easily with an autogun and alchemer.

8. It is a POSSIBLE gun to test out the Sleep status > add a slight chance to sleep on the 5* making it a roleplay-fitting
Although I have no problem with sleep being tested out to be implemented in gameplay, I just have to ask..."RP-fitting"? In what instance does a gigantic hairy monster spike being fired into your face make you think "yeah, that'd probably knock me to sleep"? It makes absolutely no sense for a giant monster spike gun to put you to SLEEP, especially when all the other Snarb gear is based around the fact that it just stabs you in the face and hurts a lot.

When you shoot a tranquilizer
My point was that Snarb doesn't cause sleep, nor is there any implication that he even has any kind of poison that could be flavoured as sleep-inducing. All the snarb gear is based around high damage bonuses from straight up big spikes, not any kind of toxin or tricky other effects. Sleep simply doesnae fit with his gear.

I am sorry, I don't understand your logic, are you a gunner?
My noob gunner has Gunslinger and Cyc hat with Swiftstrike, pepperbox and voltech. dodgers on t1 and even t2 can easily be taken down with either of those guns, even solo. In later tiers, if you are soloing and need to deal with trickier dodgers, you will need a pierce gun, but by that point you also have access to pierce guns that are good for dodgers. My point was simply that T1 gunners don't need any guns that are better geared for taking out dodgers when they alreayd can sufficiently take them out, and it isn't their primary role in parties to do so.

I just hint wolver clone when you say
It's like saying that bombers "CAN kill Vana, but it's not their job". Ultimately, eveyrthing CAN kill everything, but some classes are simply better at different things than others. Dodgers are primarily dealt with by DBB or swordies. Other bombs and gunners CAN deal with them, but in a party situation it's not their prime task to do so. And when you're solo...well, you're still able to do it.

And we do not really have a wide selection of guns from the start. We only have 2
Blaster, Autogun, five alchemers, pummel, stun guns, zapper/frost guns that deal normal and status effects. The ONLY thing missing from that selection is pierce, and as I said, they just don't need it at that stage, dodgers are very easy to hit in T1 and even t2.

neither does Blitz....
Use Pepperbox then. It astonishes me the amount of people that just completely forget this option. Pepperbox is normal, causes fire, has a drag effect and massive damage from the charge that nearly matches the blitz (vs. neutral). Blitz only "doesn't work everywhere" because it's pierce type. Pepperbox does, however, work everywhere.

Anyways, snarbolax is the very first boss. It makes sense for new players to have more options
That logic, I agree with.

1. Bosses are NPCs and don't have feelings.
It's not aobut the bosses being sad, it's about being unfair in the sense that you can farm one easy boss and get every piece of gear you need in the game, as opposed to having to farm multiple bosses. For example, you farm JK for some dual-spec guns and armour and a slow sword, then farm RT for some bombs, speed armour and shock guns. It's a mixture; giving everything to one boss would be imba. If/when they introduce a second T1 boss, I fully expect it to supply guns, and I will join in the complains threads if it doesn't.

2. You should think of equality between us gunners...
I did address that issue, but I also said that a lack of guns early in the game is not the problem with gunners. A lack of 2* gunner armour is more important than yet another 2* gun, especially when it's a type of gun that's largely unimportant. And your argument is based on the fact that Antigua lines are useless, despite the fact that they're due for a revamp. Also, both guns split off into two weapons, whereas the bombs can only go one path, so technically there's four guns and only two bombs, if you want to get into semantics.

3. We need to stop wanting new players to become wolver clones and see that guns do exist.
Won't argue with that at all, however I don't think more guns is the key to that. I think giving gunners 2* armour is far more important; the current issue isn't that gunners have no weapons, it's that they have the weapons and have to wait far, far longer before they can get the armour that matches wolver bonuses, and give up having low damage/asi and just chuck on the cheap as chips wolver set. Adding new guns won't change this at all.

If we go by this, there would NEVER be a sleep weapon in the game, besides a sloom-based weapons, which is a monster that is supposed to have been removed.
Can easily introduce a sleep theme, the same as fire/shock. Can introduce new monsters. But why go back and retroactively change a current monster, especially when "status effects" are not a part of the snarby style gear? Sleep does not fit Snarby at all. Even in Shadow Lairs they're depicted more as rabid and poisonous, rather than having a subtle knock-out drug.
If that's your attitude though, why not give Vana a new weapon that induces sleep? "The Vana Hammer! Strong chance of causing moderate SLEEP".

Why are you commenting on all piercing guns as a whole and the wide variety of piercing guns when you don't even have one???
Indeed. Why am I using a gunner without a pierce gun that survives fine, as an example of how gunners don't need pierce guns at those levels to survive fine. Take a minute and think about that one.

Let's talk tier 3 please.
If we're talkin' T3, then we can drop this entire discussion; your argument is that low level players should have access to a gun; such players will not have access to T3. Players who do have access to T3 do have access to pierce guns and thusly do not need one from Snarby. Make up your mind.

I wasn't lying when I detected a wolver clone.
It's not an opinion thing, it's fact. It's like me sayin' that swordys CAN kill puppies if they're solo, but it's not their job to; that's something gunners are better at. I don't use wolver sets, I'm a bomber, but I understand simple things like classes having different jobs, and different weapons having different specialties.

We are discussing piercing guns. Not every flippin gun in the game down to zapper and frost! Holy.
Pay attention. When I said that it was in response to your completely wrong claim that low level gunners do not have a wide selection of weapons early on; I was listing out a multitude of weapons that gunners get early.

Just because Blitz has immobility doesn't mean pepperbox does not... The downside to blitz is that it has immoblity, the downside to Callahan is its DPS, and a piercing antigua covers both of those downsides, but has no great upside. Perfect for another option.
Immobile guns aren't that much of an issue considering most gunners run ASi, which makes them quick to use. The main reason people don't use blitz beyond vana is beacsue it's piercing.
However, I never said that T3 couldn't do with a different piercing gun, altough right now you have Silversix/AP which works nicely enough for that, so there's no *urgent* need for it, at least not beyond the more important issues.

Trust me. You cannot win the game with all piercing weapons and a piercing defense shield and no armor. I question your logic further yet. Also they all start out at 2 star? not 5 star...
Don't take me for a fool, I know how to play. The point was that Snarby only provides some options, JK only provides some etc etc. Bosses alone should not provide you with a full set of gear each, only some parts to mix and match and then supply the rest yourself. There's a pierce bomb and sword, and even the shield is directed at the sword. There's plenty of other guns available outside Snarby, then at T2 there's four guns to get from bosses and far less from the other weapons.

The lack of piercing guns! please stay on topic!
Yet again, pay attention. What I said was in direct response to what you said; thus the quotes I'm using to let you know what I'm talking about. Yes, there is a lack of piercing guns, but that is not why gunners are underpowered. Gunners could be restricted to normal across the board and remain fine as they are; their "inequality" has nothing to do with a lack of a piercing gun.

Just please stay on topic! I am talking about piercing guns!
I have commented strictly on only things you've said. If you want me not to go off topic, don't say something wrong that's off-topic, and I won't need to comment.

Me supports this idea.