Not sure if this is complaining about lack of cr in the expansion pack, or to suggest selling the new weapons on ah.

I don't mind the 2nd one. But the first one?
Increase cr gains for p2p? No. Just no.

I was really hoping T3 of Crimson Hammer would yield comparable crown gain to an FSC run per time spent - that way at least players can have a choice instead of running the same map over and over again. Could mix it up! alternate, or whatever. But, sadly, this is not the case. The cr gain for Crimson Hammer is pretty pitiful in comparison.

"the players who support the game deserve less than the players who don´t??"

I think having a Unique Hammer/Bomb/Levels/Boss is not a "Lesser" Reward.

@ Tenbristar

That's a valid point.

However, most people try to join a party in T3 in hopes of getting closer to FSC and not having to deal with the stages before terminal, in my experience, it's not uncommon to be put directly at the terminal, it happens quite often. Other times one becomes less lucky. So, I would not say that FSC always costs 80 energy from start to finish.

It gives less, because of the Special Stuff that the P2P's get to Experience/Obtain, then the F2P's. It wouldn't be Fair to Give Super-Cool Stuff AND a Higher Pay-Out than F2P's. That would be like a Smack to their Face.

EDIT: Like this.

They could be bought for 1.8K ce. If you were playing with four people, you can do splitsies with 450 ce for each member of the party. Again, F2Ps can access the content, but in a harder way.

@ Ironskullkid

No-one is asking for higher payout. We're asking for similar payout. Similar enough to where players could actively choose which run they'd like to do, and not feel like they're taking a major loss.

But why bring it up like it's happening now?

The weps are not unbindable apparently. Tokens would had been okay. The only way to get wep profit from OCH is to craft a seerus mask as they can be unbinded.

The Reason they made the Masks Unbindable & the Hammers/Bombs Mission Rewards, was to Benefit F2P Gunners. If it was the other way around, it would make it look like OOO hated Gunners a lot more, because only P2P's would get the Gunner Masks.

EDIT: Also, it would make T1 Lockdown much more Difficult, because everyone would just be Swinging their Hammers around with Little to No elemental Defense.

"so maybe this only happend to me, maybe not, maybe is intentional to make the players play the rest of the game with the ones without the dcl..."

Missed one.

Make Greavers appear, Mechaknights more often, and an occasional Trojan to amp up crown payout and toughness! So far, I've had 100% success on every run in T3 with Seerus with my buddies, although I'm dying most the time. Could it be a bit harder, too? xD

Really? 5 Levels. Why are you Rage-Quitting? Soloing?

You can actually sell the Seerus masks you craft for 4.5-6k CE since f2p players are unable to get it.

@Tom: "- Gremlins are very easy IMO, just as predictable as zombies (though zombies are slower but also now have the new annoying ninja-leap)."

Thwackers, Demos, Menders, and Knockers are the easiest of the gremlins in my opinion.
(I'm horrible with the names so just go with me) The rocket ones are just plain annoying, but pretty easy.
The most difficult gremlin, in my honest opinion, is the ninjas. My reason is because they can death mark you and shave you down unless you are really careful with your shield and bombs.

I think the difficulty level on OCH is a bit higher not because the monsters overall aren't too hard, but when you get put in a party button room, you get tons of gremlins surrounding you and chasing you, or you get surrounded, try shield bumping, then have your shield smashed as you try and run frantically around the place with little room to breathe. Of course, that's why I always have either a haze bomb or my DR (Which I spent 40K CR on UV's to get Gremlin VH) so I can make things a bit more manageable. But yeah. Maybe I just need to learn to see the big picture more than focusing on the enemies closest to me. I'm not necessarily a newbie, but I'm still not that great.

The only problem with gremlins I have and their predictability is their random dodging or the thwacker's spin attack. I'll get used to it eventually, but it's still weirding me out a little.

Honestly, I don't find any of the gremlins so bad. I tried using the new bomb to take of them, but I guess aoe isn't my thing. I just use sentenza to take em out. Just aim in their general vicinity and they lose their cloak. Then proceed to pump them full of shadowsteel and shield when the stray one wants to do woodshop on you. Usually I end up taking no damage against 5 or so of them.

@asukalanforum
If you're going to complain about hoe OP some items are, just wait until they release a shadow sword for T1 LD. Then I might change my mind a bit about OOO. I don't know how OP the hammer is since I don't have another 5* elemental sword to compare (or any sword stronger than a snarble barb for that matter) but I just love using it BECAUSE it's so reckless. It's a staunch, fun change of pace from my usual careful gunning down of mobs and using the occasional blitz. Yeah you will charge headfirst into traps and explosives, but IMO that part of the fun of it. The bomb, eh it's not my thing. I can plonk one down every now and then but I tend to leave the DPS to those who can use it better. But I can say that I do more damage with Sentenza 90% of the time against a group of 1+ mobs, so I wouldn't call the bomb OP, but a unique shadow bomb that doesn't seem to want to work on mini jellies.

Baazar, green guy Vatel. I usually sell stuff to him.

Seriously =.= Changing the topic hurr.
Just give them to basil... ricasso...vatel.. whoever deals with crowns...

@OP
For being FTP I have not much say. I can hardly care for new content (coming from someone who never tried SL :P), and I won't really bother with that mask (although it looks like most blitzers should use it in FSC), but I'll say the hammer and bomb is more than enough. Full elemental sword that behaves unlike any other (dat dash ._.)? A shadow bomb that DPS unlike any other, and rips JK apart in less than 40 seconds? That's the ONLY thing I don't like about Expansion.
While I guess it won't harm increasing cr profit... You all get access to 2 powerful weapons, can craft a helm which has good benefits (and the defense and resist of the 1* helm? T1 LD anyone?) AND get new content which FTPs without steam can never get to experience. If you don't like it why not go use your hammer and start smashing zombies in FSC? And if you have a pass, why should you care so much for profit?

@Asukalanforum What he said.... do you WANT to start giving P2P players larger and larger advantages over F2P players? That starts a trend in the wrong direction for the game and for your wallets. You have a large enough advantage as is assuming they don't make the new gear F2P available at some point (which I think would be a mistake - AKA they should). If at some time they do make the new gear available to F2P then we can talk. Until then... yeah right.

@Ron-Kon for resale via tokens and unbinding? talk about a HUGE source of income for P2P well at least at first. Do you have any idea how expensive they'd be? They wouldn't exactly be accessible to F2P players. At first sure people would shell out the big bucks but it's likely there wouldn't be enough players that would pay that much for them, and they'd soon become unprofitable to sell so people would stop selling them. This would render them as inaccessible to F2P as they were to begin with. In short that's not the right answer.

The price to buy one weapon would be already 3 times higher than converting to steam and buy a pack from a friend.

You gotta be desperate or hate steam A LOT to fall for that.

26k cr is actually very doable, even if you can only farm rjp. It's just barely over the price of a 5* recipe.

"@Black*kiss"

Where'd you get Black-Kiss from Blackskies?