Spiral Knights - To all people with 15 mil +, how we drive up the price of energy is inside this thread.

To all people with 15 mil +, how we drive up the price of energy is inside this thread.

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Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:11

The-Rawrcake

I want each of you to place a thousand offers to buy energy for 8700 cr (or somewhere around where it is currently at)

Then after that and it gets to move at a steady pace because players are forced to place offers above that, place as many offers as you possbly can to buy energy for 8800 crowns.

Then keep doing that until it is driven past 10k ish, and this is going to take teamwork to do correctly. All players need to pitch in wether not you have 15 mil or 5 mil or 2 mil. See a wall of offers for energy? Put some in for that same amount and increase its height.

NOTE: you are to be doing this with offers to BUY energy in the market. NOT to sell energy in the market. Doing the latter isn't going to help you (the rich) and others like myself...

Let the market steadily rise before you turn that amount of energy that some of the energy sellers might have sold to you back into crowns. Make sure you don't turn them all back into crowns too quickly, or it will ruin it. Just slowly.

If done gradually, then you will have benefitted from this perhaps?

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:14

Coneykrab

*Salute*

This is the best thing ever. Please, do this if you can.

After the price gets jacked up through the roof, we can make a bet pool as to how many phallic promos it will take to 'fix' the economy. 10k per bet. ;)

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:16

The-Rawrcake

Cake wants some promo

Cake wants some promo accessories.

We need more people with 15 mil + crowns.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:20

Demonicsothe

inb4 omfg market

inb4 omfg market manipulators, y u put reasonable offers for ppl to fill

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:25

Jelzkrim

why

just why...

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:38

Fehzor

LMAO!

Thank you for this. I'll be buying CE at ridiculous prices to support you, even though I don't have a million crowns... yet.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 09:54

The-Rawrcake

When you see big piles of

When you see big piles of offers for CE at certain prices, then people with, you know, 20k crowns can always help by placing more offers in that huge pile of thousands to increase the height of the wall !!! ^.^

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 10:14

Lukehandkooler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dhA0ltBSgM

~Luke

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 10:26

Razor-Dash

Ugh.

Great, so because of guys like you, we (I refer to those not yet in full 5star gear, such as myself) have do deal with increasingly absurd prices per 100ce just to level our gear. Honestly, don't you have anything better to do besides screw up the market even more? Or are you trying to get 3Rings to ban you from the game for messing everything up?

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 10:36

Hungran

No no

I belive the correct manner of people whom posses 15+ mil, is not to inflate the ce market, nor deflate it.

ITS TO DONATE TO THE 'HUNGRAN UR THE BEST EVA' charity, but thats jes a myth.

I hear that those who donate 1mil+ recieve the limited edition dark shard (crowd gasps in exitement and confusion)

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:04

#10

Oroseira

Oh my god, NOOOOOO

don't do this
I can barely afford CE

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:18

#11

The-Rawrcake

They created the market

They created the market mechanics

I don't get why they would ban us, their ideas xD

By the way, I have seen this happen while I play with the market.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:28

#12

Flex-Md

well...

Basically it's OOO whose at fault for not having restrictions against such manipulations... Artificial inflation and market manipulation SHOULD be penalized like it is irl.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:33

#13

Razor-Dash

Ah, I see.

So because something is flawed, you really have to make it worse?
Okay, point taken, you've proved it's flawed, pat yourself in the back for your efforts. Now knock it off, it's already troublesome enough for us newbies and crafters without you blokes going around screwing with the market.
The CE market isn't anyones' toy, there's a limit on how far you can take a prank.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 12:46

#14

Demonicsothe

Why so seerus

So you're losing the market game, in a game. God forbid. What will you do, call the government to take care of this economical problem too?

This "prank" of theirs is simply a way to make more money. Like how the other side wants to make as much ce as possible with as little cr as they can. If someone posts a price wall, stopping ce from going up, would that prank go too far in denying other ce sellers their rights to profit?

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 13:02

#15

Flex-Md

Low CE price wall is not possible as you said that CE holders are only interested in profit, unlike the other way around (as of now a common player would be happy with a 6k per 100 ce). I just say there have to be some restrictions involved, some mechanisms to create a sense of competition between CE holders. Restrictions on how many offers you can put at once and a certain time period between posting offers would be a good idea.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 13:38

#16

Razor-Dash

@Demonicsothe

Sure, I'd call in even more greedy imbeciles from the government. As if they don't make enough problems in real life.
But allow me to counter your question with another question: Is it right for the whole majority of the community to suffer absurd and unfair CE prices just for the sake of greedy players who want to have more and more? They already have more stuff than most, and they can afford to buy items and (ugh) accessories at ridiculous prices.

Just balance the CE market back to 5k crowns and be done with it, sheesh. Prices were fair back then, even 6k was fair, but this, this is absurd, preposperous, and not to mention, useless. So they've made tons of crowns, they're filthy rich....in a game. I don't think there's a way to convert ingame currency to real life money. Yet.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 13:43

#17

Trying

Yay back to the sue OOO arguement

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 13:49

#18

Demonicsothe

Absurd and unfair? Rjp levels

Absurd and unfair?

Rjp levels pay, on a low average, 2k for 2 floors. 2k for 20 energy, and thus 10k for your entire mist tank/100ce. Ce is currently at 8.7k per 100. You are making profit. So you aren't making as much as you did before, it is still profit.

When was the ce market 5k per? When I started last year, it was 7k each. Then with some update or the other, it dropped to 6k. Then missions or something came out and it went up to 7k again. It only breached 8k within the last month or two, and I've been playing since october last year.

Allow me to ask you another question. Would any of the major ce seller sell, if they know they can wait for the prices to go up? Where did you think the ce you upgraded your armour with come from, some free promo of OOO's? Take away their incentive to sell, and they don't have to if they don't want to.

And so they are rich and successful in a game, you aren't. It is a game, and you can still play. Rjp is profitable, you can still advance with hours of grinding like what people did before, or perhaps spend a few dollars from your paycheck to advance faster without paying the time.

Tl;DR They're rich in a game, you aren't, you jelly?

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 13:59

#19

Aumir

And actually

OOO supports high CE prices, they let people have alts and separate mist tanks in paid accounts.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 14:12

#20

Razor-Dash

@Demonicsothe

No, I'm not jealous of any of the "rich folks" in this game (which should be called Spiral Grinders because that's what they incentivate us to do), and what would that matter to you? I just want to progress further into the game, you know, the mission system, have fun? I don't have access to the Vanaduke missions, don't have the clearance yet. To get it, I need to be in full 5star gear, and to get said gear I need to buy and spend CE.
Believe me, if I could buy some with cash, I would've done so already, but I can't. Not everyone has access to a credit card, and not everyone can afford to waste money on a game when there are other more important things to spend it on.

And before you go all "Hey, there's a solution, just do a full T3 run until you reach FSC! You don't have to rely on the missions to skip directly to FSC!"

Some people actually told me that, but how can one be expected to do so if:
-someone repeatedly messes up the gate and crams it full of Devilite levels;
-has only 4star gear;
-lives in the opposite side of the world with an internet service with the strenght of a flea.
When I "grind" stuff, I do the whole thing, from Haven/Moorcraft Manor/Emberlight to the destination, it's always some extra credit, if I can avoid skipping, I will. But it's practically impossible to go on a full Vana run without wasting all of your mist in the Devilite levels.

These are my problems, and why I'm ticked off at these......"gentlemen"....for screwing things up even more with the market. But I'm sure there are others that share my feelings in this matter.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 14:25

#21

Demonicsothe

Every mmo has some sort of

Every mmo has some sort of grinding portion to it. They want you to play the game, not burn through it and find another one to occupy your mind. I don't claim to know what kind of fun you enjoy, but it seems like you are one of those who wants things to be open whenever you want, allowing you to pick which areas you want to do. Nothing wrong with that, just that you have to work for it like everyone else.

Some of the things you listed:
- I'm sorry you can't fight devilites. On the plus side, you have lots of places to practice fighting them to get better with.
- I soloed fsc in 4* gear, weapons included and trinkets locked. I did so because nobody would carry me, so I carried myself.
- Not anyone else's job to solve, beyond OOO placing a server near you. Which they don't have to, if the playerbase that would benefit is not enough to make a profit on

Try making friends who can invite you to it. There must be people out there with access to the mission and shares your thoughts. Join a guild, make yourself useful to them.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 18:01

#22

The-Rawrcake

"someone repeatedly messes up

"someone repeatedly messes up the gate and crams it full of Devilite levels"

Let's see, I have made about three threads encouraging people to do just that.

"-lives in the opposite side of the world with an internet service with the strenght of a flea."

Well it is hard to rely on a non-popular, free MMO to have servers world wide. Personally for me, it was free to play at first, I ping tested and played through it to see how my connection was to Mr. OOO's little submarine office thingummy then found out from there what I should do: play it or not. For me, it was play it since I had good connection, and that was luck. Of course you can play a non-popular, free MMO with bad connection but you can't have high expectations.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 19:49

#23

The-Thor

pkay,I think raised it 200rs

pkay,I think raised it 200rs more today.there is a post that said the ce prices will not go over the 8k mark,well lets prove them wrong.
wait till i get my 7ill mark. I do wanna see OOO panic from this. Lets do ths.im gonna tell this to all my rich friends. rubyeclipse, rommil, and etc...

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 19:55

#24

The-Thor

btw,you cant get banned from what we are about to do

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 20:10

#25

Radarblue

Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money.
They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 20:12

#26

Bigfootm

+1 (Why? Why NOT?)

So participating, got me a batch of cash earlier from a promo or few back.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 20:17

#27

Radarblue

So much for the urge to watch TDK again

Tell me when you guys hit 10k.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 20:26

#28

Bromon

Trololololol?

SO what if OOO implemented a Red CE tank. Basically, when CE is bought with Real money, it comes blue. When its redistributed through the market, it becomes red. Red does everything Blue CE does, accept it CAN NOT be distributed through the market again.

I wonder what the response would be.... =3

Edit : Dang, someone beat me to it =(

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 21:10

#29

Spectrumized

Boo, CE prices went down by

Boo, CE prices went down by 100 on the buy side in the past few hours. I stored all my money in CE, so pros bring up the prices so I can sell all mine! :D

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 22:00

#30

Thorfinns

question to the ce buyers

its so funny to rise the ce price?do you enjoy it?I cant understand you why you like it when people angry and cant pay the ce price..i am good at the moment but you cut he wings of the new players..they must do many jk runs in order to buy ce....anyway i dont rage because i have my money in my pocket when you spend a fortune for virtual things...I play for enjoyment and i have way too better gaming exp from u guys who have all the good things in a minute...If i spent my money i would only buy elev pass nothing more...If u continue messing with the market many players ll leave..we already bored because everytime we wait for a good update and they make (cats tails ears wings etc).Give us one more reason to leave the game and then the free players will leave and u ll be alone with ur ce enjoying the server...

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 22:07

#31

Spectrumized

@Thorfinns

Sounds good to me.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 22:59

#32

Traevelliath

Why are we trying to break the economy? I see no motivation for doing this. You're essentially telling people to spend... about ~$450 worth of a CE for a minor prank.

Sun, 06/17/2012 - 23:35

#33

Unbounded

I like that red CE idea

Make it impossible to redistribute the red crystal energy through the market, and the market only.

It'd still have to be trade-able through normal means though. Just make it a case where each batch of 100 energy can only go through the market once.

Bam, problem solved. Each energy manipulation would end up being a one-shot. If anyone wants to manipulate the market, they'd have to put more money in OOO's pocket.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 00:00

#34

Pauling

This red CE business sounds

This red CE business sounds like it would be wildly confusing to new users. It would also prevent nice, well meaning people who bought low from reselling when the price rose, thus tightening the supply during shortages even further. (I've heard many proposed fixes for CE prices, but reducing the number of sellers isn't one)

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water, and don't expect OOO to slap their customers in the face so brazenly. I still maintain that the best long term fix for the CE market would be the introduction of interesting- and recurring- uses for crowns. (even uv rolls are a one shot deal) Once you reach a certain point, there's not much incentive to sell CE.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 00:36

#35

Master-Kuan

Pretty good idea

It's just expensive then lnog time before.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 00:48

#36

The-Thor

You know OOO might like

You know OOO might like this.Cause think,they want money, right? So lets give them money. Making the Markets ce prices extremely high will enfoerce nwebies to buy the ce with irl money. What do you say?

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 01:21

#37

Radarblue

Nobody's forcing.

No one sees paying OOO as support to OOO anymore. Maybe because of the face value of things we get. (CE)

Then again, you can say the same for most f2p MMOs. I regret supporting maplestory, actually.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 01:51

#38

The-Thor

You know OOO might like

Lol sorry. Double post

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 01:39

#39

Radarblue

^ slowest doublepost ever

what was that i dont even

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:26

#40

Thorfinns

Tell us what you will do with this game.free or pay?

I dont know for the newbies but i ll not buy ce i ll just drop the game..Because i joined the game when it was free to play if it goes in the direction of the opposite i ll leave. I ll find another game..The admins must say if they want that game stop being free so we should know it and stop spending our time(and i think that time is more valuable than money...if u spend it u cant get it back it has a limit...)Show some respect in the freeplayers we are part of your game...Balance the economy...the forum is full with ideas to help freeplayers and P2P..Thanks for reading.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 05:07

#41

Irevolutioni

For those who posted on my thread.

You might ruine the game for other people.
But do you think you can find a buyer for 10k crowns?
People will start using their mist.
Owh and its pathetic that most of you here raged to me that you weren't that kind of a person.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 05:24

#42

Coneykrab

Can you just give up already?

I'm not going to argue with you much more, Irevolutioni. You abandoned your horrible thread by leaving a ridiculous amount of points uncountered, ultimately meaning that you lost.

I'll say what I've said at least 2-3 other times. They CAN make people buy CE for 10k if they continue to raise the price, and it's PERFECTLY LEGAL. If it sells, people will sell it.

People already use their mist, this point is invalid.

Owh and its pathetic that you dont know about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 06:33

#43

Irevolutioni

Coneykrab

The irony when someone call you a troll.
When it is the person himself.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 06:50

#44

Enclavean

Do it. No seerusly do it.

Do it. No seerusly do it. Make the CE prices 15k.

Then no new players will stay...old players will keep quitting and the game will die out.

Thats what you want...right?

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 07:32

#45

Thorfinns

Guys even if we fight we dont

Guys even if we fight we dont solve anything...that matter must be solved by the gamemasters..they are the only guys who can help solve that matter...
But i see them a month doing nothing and this is sad...For the guys who said that new players will continue to play or players will continue to buy ,question yourselves did u ever saw so many rage threads?Personally no....The next step is quit...I personally if i dont see changes and some balance i ll quit..Anyway lets stop fight we ll not solve anything like that...If gamemasters cant solve then lets try find a solution..u know that without balance the game will fall...

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:02

#46

Tsubasa-No-Me

Well consider...

OOO is trying to fix this... But they are only at MOST, 20 people or so... It can be hard to think up a solution that will work like they need it to. Thats where The forumites come in. We can think up ideas, debate, ect. And OOO can read and find a solution they might not have been able to see themselves.

Neat, huh?

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:03

#47

Razor-Dash

@Thorfinns

The devs keep to themselves, and the market is being ruined by players whose greed and ego are bigger than Vanaduke himself.
This game is surely going to die. And the worst part? No one gives a crap.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:07

#48

The-Rawrcake

Then no new players will

Then no new players will stay...old players will keep quitting and the game will die out.

Thats what you want...right?

That is not at all what would happen good sir.

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:08

#49

Biooborg

Yep

I agree with Razor-Dash, your plans on how to make more crowns and give OOO more money is a good plan. But the only downside is not everyone has the money to buy stuff, this game is F2P (Free to play), they either wanted to play a game with no money or had no money to begin with. With this idea you could cause so many new players just to quit because they couldn't advance in-game for the absurd prices. Its a random outcome, either you get more crowns from people buying CE and OOO gets more money... Or no one buys your CE and OOO loses money from too many players quitting the game. You need to think about the diffrent factors in economy :P

Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:12

#50

Bwazey

LOL

Bro, your crazy. This aint gonna happen. x'D !!! This is to funny.

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To all people with 15 mil +, how we drive up the price of energy is inside this thread.