Alchemers ricochet. This means you can hit an enemy with the shot, do 171 damage, and then that bullet will bounce off and hit another enemy for another 171 damage. If you can do 2 AP shots per Alchemer shot you get off, Alchemer will still win in terms of damage because you do two alchemer bullets of damage per shot.

If you hit your target slightly on the side, it's possible to exploit a glitch where the ricochet will hit the same enemy it bounced off of, doing double damage to that target. You can also do this with the charge, which I believe has 4 ricochets, each of which can bounce an extra time for a total of 8 hits + the charge damage.

Let's bring up the damage chart.

Peacemaker's charge roots you in place for longer than Blitz Needle, doing 5 shots each with less damage than Blitz' 15 shots, followed up by a bird that does do the damage of one of Blitz' 15 shots. In total, you can hit a target with AP for about, uh, 5x110+2x229 (the owl can multihit, I'm not sure how many times is likely on a single enemy) which adds up to 1008 damage. Keep in mind you were rooted in place for all this, and your effective damage is not even 30% of Blitz effective damage and not even half of Blitz' neutral damage.

The alchemer charge, as explained earlier, can do as much as 313+8*159 which adds up to 1585. Not only is this 50% more damage, it's also unloaded in an instant. You pop that one payload and you can immediately move and start charging again. I haven't actually tested this, but if we assume that both guns charge at the same speed, you can also unload more alchemer charges over time than AP charges, simply because AP roots you in place for so long while Alchemers let you stay mobile. These numbers are from status alchemers, by the way. You could do more still with prisma or umbra.

Alchemers also let you freeze things or set them on fire, so there's that.

The reason you'd want an Argent Peacemaker is as a sidearm for when you're not a gunslinger. The inherent undead damage bonus, ease of use as well as its specialised damage is of more value to someone who wants a handgun without dedicating themselves to learning gunslinger techniques and equipping specialised gear for the art.

What I always heard is that the Drivers are good against groups while AP/Sentenza are better against solo targets or lockdown

I tend to use Chaos set a lot, so those damage bonuses are much less important.

When gunning in clockworks i run an AP, Umbra, and FF (ff is so much better for clockworks then cally even without damage bonus, sory lil gun) - this is only when i'm hunting danger rooms and don't feel like switching gear between levels (remember when that option didn't exist?)
Reason being - AP can take out single turrets very quickly (high damage on all save for slime turrets).

in LD.. depends. IMHO, the antigua lines far outshine the alchemers as far as the opportunities they can provide. Alchemers are best used when playing defensively, while AP/Sentenza can be used both ways with full effect. To each his own though.

I surely vote for alchemers even with its 2 clip still feels better then my silversix/blackhawk i know its 4* but the feeling of using it i prefer alchemers its just something about it that i can't describe.

One small points for antigua line is the small bullet while turning off AT feels like an accuracy seeking gunner.

I have both and i don't think antigua line is a bad choice more to personal feeling,i'm more to the alchmers just sometimes bring antigua for distracting enemies,control dmg(lower the health of enemies to specific points),for the lulz,trickshot.

I think I saw Eten do it once on his gunning alt, but I could never figure out how to switch shoot myself. e.e He made it look terribly easy whilst I was still trying to fumble around with my mouse scroll wheel and spacebar.

@OP: Because I like not having RSI with my trigger finger, because I like being able to clock up internal ricochets, and because that extra damage makes an awful lot of difference between a dead rocket puppy and one turning around to fire at you. Also, Antigua's charge is fairly limited in use in comparison to those of drivers.

It literally took me 30 seconds to work out how to switch shoot. I only use my mouse - fire is left click, shield is right click, change wep is scroll wheel. I simply fire-shield-switch-fire. It is harder in ld - no asi on my guns and I still rely on being able to shield cancel, so I don't do very well in ld. I have, however seen several excellent switch-shooters in RLD. People like Comandre-Conrad and Kenquistador are scarier than the average skolver clone to me.

bleh, I don't see much point using drivers for status. The mist bombs have a much more reliable area, and the brandish line has STRONG status effects, so the drivers end up being "middle ground", which in this game is pretty ineffective.

ok speed is granted, but range doesn't matter much. The brandishes have fairly good range on the charge attack, and the bombs are easy enough to kite with, as well as statusing far more enemies reliably. Also hail driver is the worst way to inflict freeze since the ricochets break it. Not only that, but the bombs have 100% chance of status.

As far as I'm concerned, brandishes are for stronger status (and more damage), while the haze bombs are good for statusing large amounts of enemies. The drivers aren't as good at either.

Shock isn't the only status. Strong fire does way more damage than weak fire, and it affects power as well as the duration of stats. Strong freeze lasts longer AND does way more damage. Glacius's freeze does as much damage as an extra sword swing. Meanwhile, while you're waiting for the enemies to thaw, you can focus on other monsters. So it's not like you're standing their doing nothing.

My Glacius begs to differ with you. I've used its freeze to good effect in Lockdown. The freeze itself does no damage; knights can't be damaged by freeze. It's the immobility that gets them killed.

Grates deal elemental damage in addition to status. Isn't it the elemental damage that kills you, when you're frozen to a grate?

Actually, as far as I remember, the grates do not damage you in Lockdown.

Knights also do not take thaw damage. Not in PvP, nor PvE.

@thinslayer
i said that hail driver freeze (minor) is enough to CTR vh (total including lv 10+recon CTR med) in PvP also hail is much faster to freeze someone because you don't have to charge it up for the freeze

@bopp
you do take dmg from the grates and they reactive fast enough that you instantly die (w/o like full skolver w/ freeze max)

I updated the wiki this week. Every single damage value should be to spec. Those that are not should be ?-ed out.