I usually just run with 3 guns (nova, umbra and blitz now-a-days). recently i got myself a 4th weapon slot. but i have no idea what to put in that slot but would like some weapon to cut the grass (my 3 weapons are terrible at that)
here are some of my options:
polaris <-- good grass cutter or for vanaduke if poop hits the fans
callahan <-- not a very great grass cutter (blitz is my preferred piercing gun)
a sword <-- which is a better grass cutter? btb or cutter line?
thanks!
Hmmm,
your first opinion is (l think) wrong. In T2, Gigawatt does ~60x3 dmg, and Blackhawk (which is like Silversix) does 17(http://myfacewhen.com/10)x6 vs. enemies weak to them (undead and beast respectively). I don't see why the damage ratio is that much different with the 5* guns and in T3.
Also, AP is split damage (bad for pure gunners) and Polaris has huge knockback (ditto).
You should get a heavy sword (except Triglav) imo.
We are talking about Vanaduke here. Polaris, according wiki, do 108 damage with expanded shots on strata 6. From the top of my head, AP does around 80 per shot, but is faster and have better mobility. The type of damage and knockback are irrelevant for Vanaduke. What is important is the dps you can do, and how much mobility you need. Since the OP specifically said for sticky situations, he requires mobility (else he already have a Blitz Needle).
A heavy sword is not a bad idea, but I think he was not asking for a sword. And heavy normal swords, meaning Troika, are notoriously bad.
Oh, l thought he meant to literally cut the grass and bushes.
And where does it say anything about vana?
And why is gigawatt>silversix but polaris
For your fourth weapon I would always carry a sword. There's always going to be a situation when you think "damn, wish I had a sword right now" and it happens often enough that it's worth carrying one. Even with guns, having a handy utility blade can never go wrong; there's never any absolute *need* to take four of one type of weapon. Get 3 damage type ones (or make use of the arsenal), status effect ones or w/e, and a handy utility sword. Either a normal one, that you can always use, a fast one that can let you be nippy when you need, or one with an effect/charge/ability that suits your playstyle.
Personally i am the kind of guy that loves to use stuff that most people don't use/like ( i don't have a singler sword of wolver armor line ). So, once a time, i
tried a grintovec and i liked it alot! It cuts grass as a Sealed sword, has more knockback ( great for those times when you are in a corner with a horde of enemies stucking you ) and does normal damage, so you can hit anything with it. Since it is a heavy sword, it can cancel enemies attacks well.
I sold every sword i had because i hate to see new players getting a fast one or an ss and just spamming them to victory, but now i am looking for a troika with asi high or vh, because being offstream ( i think this is what americans call it ) just rocks!
And here are my two cents.
BTW, today i got a ASI VH cryotech alchemer, should i keep it? ( because idk if the ASI pays off ... )
^ You would be better off with CTR. ASI does make a significant diff is you use it in LD.
As for the fourth slot, I would recommend a Gran Faust/DA. I personally don't use these swords, but they can be nice as a last resort in lockdown.
i have a ctr med (or high l forgot lol) troika
Just get a sword. If you already have three guns, a forth is pointless and redundant.
"We are talking about Vanaduke here. Polaris, according wiki, do 108 damage with expanded shots on strata 6. From the top of my head, AP does around 80 per shot, but is faster and have better mobility."
Im not sure I understand, I really dont appraise either option as having superior mobility per say, and by faster I assume you refer to projectile speed?
~Luke
BTW, I have a med asi polaris for sale if anyone wants to make a reasonable offer I quit useing it in leiu of my handkooler (hail driver) and just cant get back into using it any longer.
@Odinthefather : the OP said "or for vanaduke if poop hits the fans".
@Lukehandkooler : more bullets per clip = less reload = more mobility, at least that's my opinion.
As for faster, I refer to the speed you shoot bullets, not projectile speed, I did some quick test to prove that (not accurate, just to have an idea) :
- Polaris can do around 30 clips per minute, that's 90 bullets. As it does 93 damage per shot, it's 140 dps
- AP can do around 24 clips per minute, that's 144 bullets. As it does 76 damage per shot, it's 182 dps. Clearly, here the better fire rate overpower the difference in raw damage per shot.
That's without accounting Shock, but I'm pretty sure Shock have less than 10 dps, so it doesn't make up the difference.
So yeah, in the end, against Vanaduke, AP does more DPS (except if my figures are far from reality, please let met know!) and reload less often. The only thing you loose is Shock (which can be valuable tho).
Edit : I just did the test with guildies, with no bonus damage, Polaris does 93 and not 108, and AP does 76, my memory was correct. Editing calculations accordingly. Thanks Ambrosiadelacroix and Arcelia for the numbers :)
did you take your numbers from Vana? Keepin' in mind that AP will hit vana for bonus damage while Polaris won't.
The shock will help as well mind you, but the slow bullets might cause some issue if he's not frozen.
@Darkbrady no sadly I don't have the figure in mind. The 76 from AP is what guildies recall doing on Vana (so not certain), and the 108 of Polaris is from wiki on neutral enemies on strata 6 (i'm pretty sure it's not the correct figure too). I'll update the maths if someone can provide them.
I don't think you'll have issue with Polaris slow bullets on Vana specifically. For the majority of the fight, he is not going to move at all, so really, it's a big non-moving target. Hard to miss it.
I mean more of a fact that if/when he does happen to move or charge, then the polaris has a chance to fall behind and miss, whereas AP simply won't, which can potentially widen the dps gap.
Like I say though, if he's shiverred, that issue's neither here nor there.
Kool Fradow, good to know. I always thought blitz was top dog on Vana himself so I was kinda assuming vs zombies/enviroment.
@Lukehandkooler Blitz is still top dog by a huge margin provided you can handle its lack of mobility.
To give some numbers, i run a quick test : I can output 13 charges in a minute (with 2 seconds remaining), with a UV CTR low, and a Blitz lvl 10, thus a total of CTR : High. My timing was by no mean perfect, and i ran the test only once, so it's only to have an idea.
Blitz Needle to 143 damage per bullet on Vanaduke. Each charge is 15 bullet, so it gives 195 bullet per minute. That's 465 dps, more than twice what AP can do. By comparison, the second highest dps gun is Plague Needle with 325 dps (assuming Vanaduke is always poisonned, which he is not), and then AP and Polaris are far behind.
It's worth noting that shock is really useful against Vana when he's not frozen. It will quite frequently interrupt his dash attack.
oh i didnt see the vana part and WTF IS THAT EVEN SUPOSSED TO MEAN?!?!!??
oh i didnt see the vana part and WTF IS THAT EVEN SUPOSSED TO MEAN?!?!!??
oh i didnt see the vana part and WTF IS THAT EVEN SUPOSSED TO MEAN?!?!!??
oh i didnt see the vana part and WTF IS THAT EVEN SUPOSSED TO MEAN?!?!!??
oh i didnt see the vana part and WTF IS THAT EVEN SUPOSSED TO MEAN?!?!!??
oh i didnt see the vana part and WTF IS THAT EVEN SUPOSSED TO MEAN?!?!!??
holy posts...
for breaking bushes get a flourish.
swap the blitz for a callahan or a flourish for wolvers maybe?
for a 4th... just get a senteza or AP. you can break block faster! :)
I don't find pure gunner to be a viable all-purpose build (there are a small handful of situations where guns only is slow and painful), so you may want to build an alternate set of equipment and armaments for those situations. My preference is a gun-bomb combo with exceptions for wolvers and greavers: Flourish/BTB as the backup sword (Callahan is fairly lacklustre even with maxed damage), a shadow gun and an elemental gun (usually alchemers, maybe Biohazard for shadow). Fourth slot can hold a Polaris for turret work, or Ash of Agni/Voltaic Tempest for additional damage. With this setup, you rely on the status bomb for about a third of your damage while guns do the rest; the exception is wolvers and greavers, which are more easily (and rapidly) dispatched with a sword.
Even a good gun will never be a substitute for a sword.
When I carry 4 guns in the clockworks this is what I bring:
1. Mega Magnus
2. Blight Needle
3. Storm Driver
4. Umbra Driver
I've found that for my personal playstyle this allows me to go into basically any stratum without needing to switch any weapons, though there are some rare cases where I bring my DTB for the sake of laziness (wolvers not devilites, my combining of pierce guns proves very very effective at getting me through devilite nightmares.)
I'm confused why you need two piercing guns...especially when they basicallt fill the same niche. You could have at least gone for Toxic Needle.
Also you could benefit from a variety of attack patterns. Both drivers function the same way. Why not substitute storm driver for polaris?
"You could have at least gone for Toxic Needle."
Blight Needle is Toxic Needle's 4* upgrade.
On a random note about the Vana stuff...
Vana has a slight resist to everything. I have +dam med trinkets with guns and my Polaris is only doing 108 damage per expanded shot. I'm working on an AP myself so I'm not sure how much it does.
I'd get a DVS to cut bushes with. It attacks quickly, and isn't bad at all.... though I'd recommend you get a heavy sword like SUDARUSKA or the ever-so-popular Divine avenger/Gran Faust, as you could push back enemies and then shoot them with your guns. Winmillion also works for that, and cutting bushes quickly isn't exactly that important compared to killing stuff.
@Traevelliath look at comment 13 for AP vs Polaris dps comparison on vana (no trinket)
I wouldn't advise troika line for anything. Its damage is simply too low, and its charge attack is a pity. Unless it gets a buff, this weapon is in the "no reason to get" box. Same goes for Winmillion.
My opinion on that :
- Polaris is out-classed by AP for Vanaduke : more bullets per clip, more dps makes it a better choice if you want to fill the slot for that
- If you are good with Blitz, no reason to take Callahan
- As a pure grass cutter, BTB because of the wide first swing. It's also great for greavers specifically (spamming first swing makes greavers a joke, as they will not be able to attack at all). On the other hand, cutter will destroy minerals way faster. If you intend to actually use the sword, probably Calibur line for the awesome charge.
- Also consider using a Shivermist. But it's rather bad for cutting grass.