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How many people do you know with 5* Kat Hiss/Claw/Eye Armor?

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Wed, 09/24/2014 - 12:16
Cheshireccat's picture
Cheshireccat

With the whiskers being so hard to earn it seems fiscally impossible to make more than one armor.
Everyone I know is prioritizing the BK armor--do you know anyone who actually made a 5* version of the Hiss, Claw, or Eye armor? Did they complete the BK armor first or is this their first?

--Cheshireccat

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 12:29
#1
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

mmm well so far i have seen 1 knight with kat claw raiment and 1 with kat eye raiment. sadly i dont remember their names but beyond these i havent see anyone else with those armors

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 12:55
#2
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

I have seen a grand total of zero people wearing them, but one person that was going for I think the 4*? I'm considering going for one of them. I mean I could pull it off if I really wanted to, but I could also take a fork and stick it in my eye if I really wanted to.

The real issue is that they're essientially just costume armors; even if they were whisker free, I wouldn't use them as more than costumes... like all defensive armors they MUST be heated as they are basically just black kat cowl, but with crummy offensive stats and slightly better (dread skelly levels) of defense... therefore in order to unlock their defensive prowess, they need heat and being crafted to 5* way way way more than the black kat setup.

I mean they're technically very powerful, as they offer reasonable class benefits with a larger amount of specialized defense and a single bar of ice resistance, making them superior to dread skelly, armor of the fallen and even snarbolax set... but it all comes down to whether you would rather have:

A) The greatest offensive stats of all time, along with the ability to dodge better and close in on enemies?

B) The greatest ability to handle one or two extra hits from an icy turret?

This isn't a hard decision, and should really be fixed.... if 15 black kats spawn in quick succession and each drop a book of dark rituals, I'll be sure to craft 'em all, but until then it isn't worth the effort when I can instead save up for the next big mixmaster/black kat raiment, so that I don't have to practice EXTREME MERCHANTING to acquire the newest kajigger.

I guess really I'd craft and use it just so that I could be the only knight on all of cradle using that armor set. But then I'm already the only knight on all of cradle using quite a few sets, should I choose to, so why..

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 13:13
#3
Poetry's picture
Poetry
I don't think we're meant to

I don't think we're meant to get all of these items in one attempt. This is end game material that will probably take multiple events to earn, so not many people have them yet and they really shouldn't unless they go the extra mile.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 13:58
#4
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

@Poetry

Well yeah but if trends continue there will be something new next event for us to farm for, and we won't supposed to be able to get it all in one event either XD

Then there is the bit where they all cost the same as the black kat variant and are quite frankly just not worth it regardless of how many events you are made to fight through, as we've been discussing in length.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 14:05
#5
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
The only things worth getting

The only things worth getting are the Bomb and Black sets. The only reason to get the gun and sword set is costumes and variability in stats or offense.

Black is the offensive set if you can dodge.
Bomb offers a totally new type defense to the bombers even with its mediocre weapon perks.
Gun offers only freeze resist (you can get shadow resistant ASI and damage from shadowsun and deadshot)
The sword armor is the only sword shadow defense armor that offers ASI (unless you plan on mixing Snarby or heavenly iron with Fallen)

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 17:02
#6
Avihr's picture
Avihr
wut?

endgame content? you mean like... 5*?

as far as I know, armors are all equal to one another except for the fact that they specialize on different things, the only thing that changes between each armor is where the bonuses go to.

status resist and special damage protection= dragon scale set, divine set, radiant silvermail

normal damage protection and stun resistance = ancient plate and the plate lines

offensive bonus in trade for status weakness= chaos set, fencing jacket, Armor of the fallen, Kat armors in general.

standard armor with specialized class bonuses= wolver line, gunslinger line, demo line.

all of these armors in their respective 5* version are already endgame content, they have strengths and weaknesses that are generally the same and none should be considered superior to others, but then there is the fact that offensive bonuses severely outweigh damage protections and status resistances due to them not really affecting gameplay to a level that a player would consider them valuable over having ASI, CTR, or DMG increase, wich give great advantage to a knight in everything that the clockworks can throw at him.

so when people come up with this "endgame content that shouldn't be available to everyone" argument I just think that they're losing the original concept of the game as it was back then when chaos wasn't so OP and everyone just use wolver armors with DAs, at least there were no armors with exessive ammounts of dmg bonus and stuff and the unbalance wasn't as noticeable as it is now.

To further prove my point of all armors being equal to one another there's the fact that the game devs actually paired up black kat, claw, eye and hiss armors because they are supposed to be equal in terms of what they can offer to a knight (being that class specific kat armors have less status weaknesses)

to fix this they could add a new mechanic like idk... making it so that when you are wearing shadow protection, enemies that deal shadow damage cannot interrupt you so often, unlike how it currently works that you get interrupted by everything that touches you. or maybe having a chance of the armor completely absorbing the damage, and the chances increasing with the more you stack a particular defense. theres just alot of ways that they could go about it... but well, one can dream :,)

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 16:57
#7
Bopp's picture
Bopp
Aviri

Following your argument is difficult. You say things like

* they have strengths and weaknesses that are generally the same and none should be considered superior to others

* my point of all armors being equal to one another

But then you also say things like

* back then when chaos wasn't so OP

* there were no armors with exessive ammounts of dmg bonus and stuff and the unbalance wasn't as noticeable as it is now

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 18:36
#8
Avihr's picture
Avihr
Exactly

i used the word "should" for a reason, i know that there are armors that are better than others. but I blame that on poor design, not on an actually intended feature.

What i've been trying to say with that huge text wall up there is that the fact that this armor is better than the others is just a flaw of design and treating it as something that should be hard to obtain because it so happens to be powerful isn't a valid reason for it's rarity, given that if everything was balanced and damage resistance would actually be worth anything they would just be on par with everything else, so either the developers or the players have no real reason to treat it differently than other armors.

Unless that is what the devs actually intend to do with it. but i've given my reasons of why i think that they don't in my previous post.

*yeah i edit my posts way too much k? I know that*

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 21:12
#9
Exerpa's picture
Exerpa
If SK was one of those

If SK was one of those dungeon crawlers than drop gear every few minutes, then it wouldn't matter what stats things have or how balanced things are.

Before the existence of alchemy orb drops, crafting required someone, somewhere to inject money into the system to pay for it, so in effect any craft beyond 2* was indirectly a purchase and therefore created the reasonable expectation of being fair and balanced.
Now that orbs drop you can then spin out the "Well, you didn't have to pay for it, if you did then that was your choice" defense line to rationalize trash/power gear.

I don't really understand the decisions made in the past year or so, a lot of these attempts to part me from my money have in fact the opposite effect - I see most of them as very unattractive. If the system is in reality all going according to plan then the reasons I can think up are:

Evolution - Either the Admin is trying to burn off the players they don't want, or the players who don't like where the game is going are heading for extinction.
Short tail - Riding a small group of high paying players even harder as time goes on, dismissing the large group of players who will pay less and less as time goes on.
Accelerating towards Dead Game - They crunched the numbers and found out that it they try to burn up the game sooner rather than later, it would pay better.
Actually a Dead Game - Numbers and reasons don't matter anymore, nobody is maintaining it and nobody should be playing it. The servers still run as zombies for the purpose of trickling in money from random people who wander into it over the next decade.

Wed, 09/24/2014 - 22:18
#10
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

I feel like I kind of.. derailed this thread a bit. Sorry about that. I mean I guess it isn't the worst thing, as long as people respond to the OP and the side discussion about SEGA's milking tactics, the horrid armor balance issues we face consistently, and the horrors of the RNG behind the black kat event.

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 13:57
#11
Cheshireccat's picture
Cheshireccat
Off-topic?

Yeah.... a little bit... :P
I really don't mind the venting though. Better to let OOO know than to just be quiet and ragequit.

Only contribution to this side-note is that the three Kat sets shouldn't comprise end-game content. The BK set DEFINITELY does, and I'm fine with that one set being super hard to get. The others are both not useful enough and not powerful enough to be so INCREDIBLY impractical to obtain.

So... anyone see any Hiss/Claw/Eye armors yet? :P
--Cheshireccat

Thu, 09/25/2014 - 23:58
#12
Lady-Of-War's picture
Lady-Of-War

Exactly none.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 07:46
#13
Round-Shinigami-Jr's picture
Round-Shinigami-Jr
Answering to question in the

Answering to question in the first post: none. I haven't seen anyone using those other armors, or helmets. Or others. I haven't seen anyone in the past week and a half, too busy grinding!! O_O
Still nobo0ook.

Fri, 09/26/2014 - 09:09
#14
Holy-Nightmare's picture
Holy-Nightmare
I wouldn't mind the BK sets

I wouldn't mind the BK sets being obtainable only with whiskers but I would like the others to be obtainable with kat tribe fetishes.

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 00:49
#15
Krakob's picture
Krakob

Never seen 'em, apart from I think one on the AH. Can't spell "P A T E T I C" without "non-BK Kat gear"

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 13:01
#16
Forum-Brady's picture
Forum-Brady

Aye, I can't really make sense of why the other, undeniably inferior armours require the hardest item to get in the event, and tbph, one of the hardest items to come across at all right now.
The armours are good and kinda quirky, but overall are just pretty garbage compared to how much money you'd need to sink into actually getting them. If you're going to be using 50k CE worth of items, time, heat and energy to craft it, it might as well be the BK set which is actually...well, ridiculously overpowered.
But there's no point spending all of that one...meh gear.
In the last event the hats got released and the BKC required a book, while the other ones just needed fetishes to make up for the fact that they were pretty crap. Seems fair.

Who decided that logic was too boring?!

Sat, 09/27/2014 - 14:15
#17
Vohtarak-Forum's picture
Vohtarak-Forum
I saw 1 person with the

I saw 1 person with the armor, dont remember the name but they also had the black kat mask
, they were either lucky or previously rich (I say previously because u can't spend that much and still hav crystals left)

Sun, 09/28/2014 - 02:53
#18
Mtax-Forum's picture
Mtax-Forum

I've seen nobody with those armors. This event is just designed badly and only armor that should need whiskers to craft is BKC armor, because those three armors are not worth the price.

Mon, 09/29/2014 - 07:44
#19
Cheshireccat's picture
Cheshireccat
Still haven't seen one

I feel like I'm birdwatching whenever I stand in Haven. Standing still for hours at a time hoping to catch a glimpse of some rare wildlife.
"A-ha! Here, take the binoculars and look over there--it's a red-plumed-blue-necked-double-throated-warbling-popinjay! Look at that plumage! Isn't it gorgeous?"

Still no 5* non-BK kat armors. I saw two 3* but that's as close as I got.

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