Spiral Knights - How to improve "Arms Appropriation"

How to improve "Arms Appropriation"

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Mar, 01/15/2013 - 23:19

Aero-Shark

I originally kept this on my tumblr, and off the forums. However it received good feedback on tumblr, and Tevokkia said that they actually mentioned it on "The Arsenal." So I decided I'd post my suggestion here. For the raw version, go here: http://sk-diarist.tumblr.com/post/39634502998/how-to-improve-arms-approp...

==How to improve 'Arms Appropriation'==
There are about three out of three million players in the game that actually do/did this mission for the prestige due to their obscene amounts of money and ability to not care. However ‘Arms Appropriation’ gives about the same prestige as Deluxe Supply Pack missions or 5* Mats + other Mats missions for a whole lot more being lost.

So honestly, how do we improve this for the general public? Well it’s simple, really.

“Knights who are ill-equipped to face the dangers of the Clockworks have a hard time dealing with the onslaught of monsters. That’s why Spiral HQ checks to see if Knights have the right gear for the right situation. Show Spiral HQ that you’re ready to face any challenge the Clockworks has to throw at you!”

==How this will benefit people==

You really can’t say this isn’t a good idea, because it is. There’s nothing to defend about the current ‘Arms Appropriation.’ It’s terrible, and it’s stupid, and it’s stupid, and it’s terrible. I know not a soul that has actually done this, or that would ever be willing to do this.

Mar, 01/15/2013 - 23:33

Autofire

Agreed.

Mar, 01/15/2013 - 23:34

Luguiru

For those who care about equipment they build from baby 2*/3* items having to sell it to slavery for prestige is a bitter exchange when it comes to 4*+ equipment unless you can afford to reproduce those items with ease. Part of this game is increasing your arsenal variety by obtaining more weapons, armor, shields, and equippable items in general; not to sell it to feed your ego through prestige.

I completely agree it should only check if you have the item instead of taking it from you. You could have started in the forums with that if you wanted and still have my support.

To push my luck a few steps further, have it inspect multiple items which suit a theme but not exclusively to a specific item. For a few examples:

Sudaruska/Triglav, Ironmight/Volcanic Plate set (both helmet and torso of the same set)
GFaust and Chaos/Fallen set
DAvenger and Valkyrie/Divine set
any 5* Alchemer, Nameless set
any 5* Autogun, Shadowsun set
any 5* Vaporizer, Volcanic Demo set
any 5* Blast, Mad Bomber/Bombastic set
Leviathan/Vanquisher, Valiance, Azure Guardian set
Dread Venom/Wild Hunting, Skolver/Vog Cub set

And much more! Buy now and get triple the off- What the liquids am I doing, cut that out.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 01:02

Oatmonster

Lick Number 58425

I have an idea that kind of goes in a completely different direction. Instead of having to supply the weapon, the spiral order has just asked you to deliver a weapon to a certain area. There would be two floors, like normal prestige missions, the key difference being you can only use the weapon(s) the order has supplied you with. You obviously would not keep the weapon.

This would provide incentive for people to try out new weapons, instead of shouting "craft with energy to get a bigger e-peen" into their faces. I personally think this would actually increase the amount of energy sunk by making players want to craft new items. Just make sure the actual floors don't yield any net gain.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 02:43

Xxpapaya

The papaya agrees!

I never do the "Arms Appropriation"mission >.> Once it asked for a Plague Needle!!!
+1 papaya

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 03:02

Zaffy-Laffy

Zaffy is Laffy

/yes

It is indeed true that it would cost you an arm and a leg for an amount of prestige, also achievable by doing danger missions and normal prestige missions, that does not seem worth it's cost. An alternative mission would suit it.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 05:00

Xxpapaya

The papaya is lappy (mimicking Zaffy's subject starter :P)

@Zaffy-Laffy
You said it (^.^)

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 05:39

Aureate

Processing Thoughts of You Always

Oat's idea sounds interesting, but could be a bit difficult; for example, if you got told to deliver a Shivermist Buster or Venom Veiler, how exactly would you run the mission? As great as they are, they're... not exactly great damage-dealing weapons. More on the support line of things.

Doctor's idea sounds good, though. Certainly more reasonable than asking people to splash out on 5* items for prestige.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 05:48

Zeyez

i already saw in this mission Voltedge and... well... waste 30~(digit your value here)k on something than still can't be used is not helpful

and i agree Oatmonster about create a section on missions to use the weapon to be delivered, at least players can have a good sense of how it is in case you want to craft in future, besides still have the problem of prestige points having no utility besides offering a new badge next to your nick

personally, i stopped make most of the prestige missions because of that

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 06:10

Heavencupcake

The influence of aurora borealis on diversity of penguins.

I do approve of this idea.
One of my guildmates was complaining over AA - he had to give away his Shivermist Buster. A friend was asked for Valiance. I'm scared for my Divine Avenger and Silent Nightblade. I don't mind giving away some T1 weapons I don't use anymore for some prestige (I "wasted" my Beast Basher, I don't remember, for this quest, fight me), but heck, 500 prestige for 5* weapon I crafted from 3* is absolutely NOT worth it.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 07:08

#10

Shue-Donnym

This suggestion has the STAT-I-KAT seal of approval

+1, as the current AA just simply isn't worth it once one hits 4* and above.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 09:15

#11

Mr-Baldy

I find it highly laughable that anyone expects me to give away a hard earned weapon to make my Prestige-Peen bigger.

Completely off topic: I miss the real RSS.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 10:16

#12

Aero-Shark

wwww

I'm glad you guys are enjoying this. I just wonder if it'll ever take flight, or see some more praise.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 10:42

#13

Oatmonster

Lick Number 58425

@Aureate, Perhaps you would receive two weapons, chosen randomly from the three weapon types, without the chance of getting two of the same type, that would significantly reduce the amount of "derp loadouts." Maybe different weapons could also have different multipliers affecting how much prestige you earn, with support weapons awarding greater amounts. I guess you should be able to pick your armor and trinkets though.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 14:33

#14

Aureate

@Oat

Sounds better, although it might not work as well for some people who choose to specialise in one type of weapon... Possibly it could allow you to choose two weapons to try out and deliver out of a randomised list of six? Say, at least two available of each weapon type, so a potential list could be Umbra Driver, Volcanic Pepperbox, Big Angry Bomb, Scintillating Sun Shards, Furious Flamberge and Sudaruska. (I'm not entirely sure whether Krogmo and boss reward weapons should be included in that list or not.)

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 14:54

#15

Mohandar

Great idea

Yes. Change "Arms Appropriation" to "Squad Inspections", where it would ask you to equip an outfit that:
-has a certain amount of special-typed defense
-has a certain amount of status resistance
-has a shield blocking a certain status or defense
-deals a particular special-typed damage
-inflicts a particular status effect
-includes a tier-appropriate or better type of weapon (sword/bomb/gun)
The mission generator would pick 1-2 of the defensive criteria and 1-2 of the offensive criteria, and you would need to satisfy all of the criteria to pass. If two criteria are picked, it's a 60-pt mission; three criteria is a 90-pt mission and four criteria is a 120-pt mission.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 14:54

#16

Oatmonster

Lick Number 58425

@Aureate, I think that kind of defeats the purpose of having the game chose your weapons.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 15:25

#17

Ema-The-Vampire

Brilliant.

I've been trying to think of ways to make it better, (like the item you give being given to gear your own personal assistant who will accompany you if you go alone on missions or something) since I can't afford to pour CE into something with no tangible in-game benefit, but I like this idea much more than any of mine. It makes more sense to encourage players to expand their arsenal and explore different playstyles by giving prestige rewards for crafting and using items they might not normally use, rather than telling them to spend tons of CE to craft something that will essentially vanish forever and never be used in exchange for a negligible amount of basically worthless points.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 21:08

#18

Axonnox

Yes.

Mié, 01/16/2013 - 21:49

#19

Hawxindanite

Once upon a time

Arms appropriation asked me for a blazebrand and I'm like

"NOPE! I will never give that! I DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT!"

So +1

Jue, 01/17/2013 - 10:11

#20

Aureate

@Oat

The point of the amendment was to allow those with specialised weapon benefits from their outfits to be able to use them... although perhaps giving people a selection of six weapons would be too much, I felt it would help if there were one of each weapon type available so people wouldn't be entirely hampered.
Or maybe I'm just underestimating things. Iunno, it was just a thought.

Jue, 01/17/2013 - 10:42

#21

Shamanalah

I don't usually do this but...

Last week I was asked to give away my trusty Leviathan for a mere 300 prestige. While it may seem crazy to you to give a Leviathan for 300 prestige, I did.

Simply because I got (and still have) my Honor Blade 5*, which is a variant of Levi but WAYYYY cooler.

That's the only time my logic told me it was okay to gave it away. But giving my Hail Storm, Glacius, Acheron... In no way shape or form will anyone actually give that away for the simple 300 prestige boost... I can farm more prestige with those weapon in Danger Mission...

Please make this happen!!!

P.S. +2, because 1 isn't enough

Edit: +2 on the not giving away the items, not the choice of 6...

Jue, 01/17/2013 - 20:18

#22

Blandaxt

Yeah

Great idea, i agree that it would have the effect of players wanting to expand their arsenal. Hope it happens.

Vie, 01/18/2013 - 12:43

#23

Xxpapaya

The papaya giggles

@Shamanala
I would have NEVER given it away, if it was for a papaya, I might've :P

Vie, 01/18/2013 - 16:57

#24

Shotjeer

I would give this a bad score but...

I was still a mere 3 star when the missions came out, and I lucked out and earned a mission with give up a cautery sword. EPIC.Anyways, +1, and suggestion. You should have a random set of 4 weapons, does not have to be related, and if you have them all, you get 120. That way, it won't be so much of a prestige farmer. Some veteran players have almost all the weapons, so them getting 60 prestige daily is cheap.

Sáb, 01/19/2013 - 21:00

#25

Aero-Shark

wwww

Again, thanks for supporting this thread, guys. It means a lot.

Dom, 01/20/2013 - 06:41

#26

Zeddy

@Aureate

Using only shivermist buster or venom veiler for a mission is entirely fine as long as you're never forced to kill everything to move on. Even then, not like it'd hard or anything. Just slow.

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