Sprites are a bit time-consuming to level, but it's really a lot more accessible than UVs.

I'm for allowing sprites wholesale in LD, after some balancing modifications.

How about they disable perks AND uvs? Seems fair to me.

I'm with Reto. Perks would UNbalance LD even more.
Also: lol at removing UVs. The rage/amount of people quitting would be immense.

UVs are probably the most unbalancing p2w factor of LD. All UVs are random luck which 1. should not influence winning and 2. costs INSANE amounts of either luck or UV grinding (and thus money) to get.

Not only that but since mist energy was removed, it's nearly impossible to "ragecraft" for uvs anymore.

Not participating in the thread anymore, not worth it.
See ya

Not to mention, offensive uv's have close to little use in clockworks and other pve situations. They simply allow you to wear whichever gear you want, whether for defensive purposes or to be ballsy and live dangerously. The only bonuses you can't get on weapons are damage vs all, which includes knights.

All this would simply mean there's no reason for anyone anywhere to roll/craft for uv's.

But this is Larry's world.

@Zeddy:

Except that I didn't say that Sprite Perks shouldn't be allowed. I personally wouldn't mind sprite perks being allowed in LD because I just dont care much about LD. Using your gear is part of LD, so I see no reason that one person should be handicapped because they put in more work than others.

What I did say is that it would add to the already HUGE discrepancy between those with and without. In the spirit of LD, who gives a crap? It's your equip, your time, your effort, you deserve it. In practice, it just makes an already frustrating game for newcomers even more absurd. I'm not saying don't allow it. I'm saying don't match the guy with +18 hp against the guy in 4* armor and a Winmillion. If you do that, then Sprite Perks in LD would be perfectly viable.

Maybe I've just been playing too much Dota 2, where the game at least makes an effort to match you with those of your skill level.

There is no balancing factor to allowing sprite perks. The difference it makes is when you compare someone using a perk to someone not using a perk, in which case it's the exact situation as UVs. The proportion of bonuses remains the same. I don't personally want perks in LD because I don't want to be forced to get a sprite just so I don't get get outclassed in PvP.

UVs are not p2w. UVs are: be smart, learn the market and make money.
Of course one can buy CE and buy his UVs, which is totally respectable. But one can make far more money by playing the market in all his ways.
Gathering some CE is really not that hard.
An ASI Med Flourish goes for 2k CE at most. How is that overpriced or unobtainable by everyone? And, to be honest, ASI Med is all you need.

About trinkets: the current meta is fairly balanced. If you want to remove them, fine, I'll go back to playing guardian.

About perks: sprites have nothing to do with Lockdown. Do you see your sprite next to you in LD? No. Why should a perk be allowed?

'UVs are not p2w. UVs are: be smart, learn the market and make money.'

Denial, nothing more. I have Max stuff on my armor and I still feel that it's Pay to Win compared to other things.

Honestly, I'd rather just see premade classes.

Medium MSI? Scary, but what annoys me is how your typical skolver clone has almost the same amount of HP as a vanilla guardian at T3. Remember that window of time early on where the main weakness of the striker class was having the lowest HP? Ha, who wants fairness when they can have the speed of a fighter jet AND the toughness and the punch of a tank at the same time? It's all so fun and fair when you're the ones winning right?

Honestly, I'd have a bit more respect for the people most vocal when shouting down everyone who wants OOO to patch what is obviously an unfixed exploit if they had the guts to actually admit that their whole "lol nope, its all about using what you want and being OP as you can get. It's fair 'cuz everyone has that chance if they weren't so lazy and poor/mom-not-being-drunk-enough-to-give-her-credit-cards to devote the time and obsession to a shoddily-made casual mmo... blah blah blah closet elitism blah blah blah...etc." -charade was just flimsily-hidden childish self-interest that I'm sure all the sensible people left here still playing SK could see right through.

If any of them really cared about balance, then I guess at this point with strikers now able to get +18 HP that they should lose their attack damage and speed buffs progressively with every +6 stack of HP. Of course, if you even imply any notion of real balance here on the part that the class that always benefits the most from seemingly every new game-breaking feature, it's met with a slightly calmer and less funny version of "OH NO DON'T YOU DARE! IF YOU DO ENNYTHING TO MAH STRIKERZ IMMA RAGEQUIT RITE NAO U JUS NEED TO STOP SUCKING AN GET AN PAY MOR AN LERN TO PLAY STOP CRYING ABOAT IT ND SUCK IT UP". Of course they can be this haughty. They know perfectly well that OOO is desperate to make returns on this game and that most of their paying player base consists of clones constantly rolling to get the best UVs on their already over-powered gear that they wouldn't DARE to touch, meddle, or make them play nice without them ragequitting and going back to WoW to pick on level 3 newbies with their level 80 paladins in the tutorial zones. Same elitist jerkwads, different game.

Why haven't guardian shields been buffed? "Because if they took anything more than TWO gran faust hits, then I'd actually have to work for my kills! With pentas it means they MIGHT have more survivability than me, the skolver glass-cannon class!"

Why do recons still have footsteps while cloaking? "Because if they could actually hide effectively, it means they MIGHT one day get the drop on me, and I wouldn't know where they were! It makes it fair for the rest of us!"

Or what about the autoguns, cutters, antiguas, shard bombs, the dark retribution, and all other fast-hitting weapons that are useless in LD? How is it fair that a whole niche of weapons gets shafted because the PvP mechanics don't allow them to actually get half of their intended hits? You can talk about how "Lol, anyone can be OP" but it completely falls flat on itself when "anyone" only applies to people with the same exact gear as yourselves.

I think the reason I've been playing less and less of LD over the year is due to how much more entrenched this greedy and narcissistic little circlejerk of players calling themselves "elite" and telling themselves they're MLG for exploiting an already broken game has only become larger as people hoping for balance either stop playing LD or leave the game entirely.

Rant's over, that's all I felt like saying. As much veiled RAEG and flak as I expect to get for it, I think some one still has to say it, my popularity be damned.

Yep. The only gap it closes is the distance between accomplished Lockdowners (Fully upgraded equipment) and master Lockdowners. (Triple Max UVs)
Regular (non-optimal 5* Lockdown gear) and Rookie lockdowners (some 4* equipment) are left in the dust.

Little-Juances reinforces the point I was trying to make earlier. Allowing sprite perks solves nothing. If you gave everyone $100, everyone is $100 richer, but the gap is the same. Once we reach this point, it's already turning into the same discussion about UVs for the Nth time.

Forget perks, give me class specific sprites and that'll create some new play styles. I mean, the only thing left to do to make spiralmon a thing is to be able to fight other sprites with your own sprite. We already have a sprite for each class.

I wanna ray of light strikers into haze bombs. Twitchy tanky buggers.

Perks has nothing to do with UVs. Seriously.

If you could have 6+ hp UVs or universal damage UVs, then we can talk. Also, proof of perks in LD just being a stupid bug: They worked in all tiers. The extra 6+ hp on everyone only extended the fights, everyone has them practically.

Sure, Illusion. You just point me to the nearest +4 ASI perk first.

If you could have 6+ hp UVs or universal damage UVs, then we can talk.

There are no universal damage perks. And again, this exact argument can be made against trinkets.

That wasn't the point, seems like I used a bad example. The point is if someone with ASI Med can get ASI VH with a perk, then the guy who has ASI VH can get ASI Max with perks too. The +2 gap remains. Perks aren't the answer, they're the same as trinkets and UVs.

I am going a bit of subject but why can we not have mon,wed and friday to be ld what you can pick what yiu want uvs,gear and weps.
the rest of the days can be normal ld no sprite perks your gear.

@Klipik-Forum:

What?

I spent a grand total of $0 on my Brandishes... well technically I bought two elevator passes so I had the mist to ragecraft, and to separate the mist of an alt account.

People seem to think that UVs (and trinkets too) will always be out of their reach. However, with a bit of patience and some smart money management, you can acquire some good UVs rather easily. It sounds cheesy, but it's honestly true.