Spiral Knights - Elite and Normal mode got changed, nobody told us

Elite and Normal mode got changed, nobody told us

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Fri, 09/27/2013 - 17:38

Zeddy

Splingush told me earlier today that his friend observed enemies on Elite having less health than previously. Naturally I put it to the test, and it turned out to be correct.

Enemies used to have 3/2 more health on Elite than Advanced, this has been reduced to 5/4.

Enemies on Normal used to have 2/3 the health on Normal compared to Advanced. This has been increased to 4/5.

I assume this was done to make Elite more worth it in terms payout vs time, and Normal less so.

Note that I've only tested this on Slags at D24.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 18:57

Khamsin

As of this patch or?

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 19:26

Not-Someone

Either you and you friend are

Either you and you friend are really good at killing monsters, or this is actually true.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 19:52

Skyguarder

@Tweeter

No. It doesn't have to do anything with being really good at killing monsters. It's true.

@Zeddy

I've noticed it too. I just did Elite C42, and it turns out that I used about 4 - 5 Gran Faust combos to kill a slime jelly. It used to take me 6 - 7 hits to kill a slime jelly.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 20:12

Zeddy

@Khamsin

I have no earthly idea. Sometimes between elite mode coming out and today.

@Tweeter
I tested slag health back when Elite and Normal came out. It was definitely higher before on Elite and lower on Normal compared to the results I got today.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 20:21

Writhes

The Recons!

It's because there are cloaked recon knights hitting the mobs once or twice unnoticed....

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 20:24

Grimranger

Well, maybe Elite will actually be worth the crowns now that it doesn't take forever.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 20:34

Whimsicality

Still waiting on unique enemy ai for elite

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 20:44

Hrpb

It did become easier. Slags

It did become easier. Slags on D27 Elite took 3 glacius charges(w/o explosions) to kill, now only 2 and one regular swipe. Thats why i asked my party if we were on elite, they said we were.They said we were all just pros, and using the vortex/charge. But no. Its easier now ^_^

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 22:09

Flowchart

it was since the September 25th update

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 22:32

#10

Batabii

Instead of messing with enemy health, they should have tweaked the loot drops :(

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 23:30

#11

Zeddy

By the way, this means Elite mode greavers got nerfed!

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 23:33

#12

Batabii

no, everything got nerfed. That doesn't mean they're any less OP in arenas. OP=overpowered. Which means stronger than they should be, compared to other enemies. If every enemy in the game lost the same percentage of hp, they're all just as balanced or unbalanced as they were before.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 23:47

#13

Krakob

@Batabii

With the exception of yourself ;)

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 01:03

#14

Geosmin

Sometimes you overkill by a lot, sometimes you don't. Jelly swords do that a lot, Antiguas don't.

Batty, can you show me how to apply fractional hits for fractional time costs? I haven't figured out how to do it, so this change affects monster balance in chaotic ways for clueless players like myself.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 01:06

#15

Poopsie

@Batabii

less hp = less damage bonus needed to knock out/cancel their charge attack. That means instead of you need like damage max sword with full combo to knock a strong monster, now you can knock them the same way with like damage medium bonus.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 02:25

#16

Bajilliom

Before with a full party of four in fsc first depth I couldn't even one charge kill a Trojan wearing full chaos. Well, now I can.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 03:41

#17

Ainogommon

O-O

OMG!

So that why I can kill bunny for 3 hits with toothpick at D.27 O-O (elite)

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 03:47

#18

Kamishinlnoyari

Is it just me, or...

Dat useless character portrait seems smaller to me and it's not mentioned in the patch notes...

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 05:01

#19

Warp-Master

@Bleach-Fanboy

Nope, it's exactly the same size as it was before the September 25 patch:

Before and after.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 11:40

#20

Sirius-Voltbreaker

Omg!

Why OOO why? You can't even share things with us?! Shame on you!

#Zeddy rocks

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 11:58

#21

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

I can confirm that Elite has been tampered.

My resistance and my friend immunity went away. I now take fire during my C42 runs and he takes fire, even with 2X fire max and 1 ele max on Vog set.

hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmm

He used to take 1 sec fire or none and now it's 3 or none. I get 3 sec fire -_-

/sigh

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 12:02

#22

Warp-Master

I also think that the damage of Elite enemies has been increased. At any rate, the Lumbers that were almost breaking my 3* Skelly Shield are now completely breaking my 4* Skelly Shield while also inflicting Stun.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 12:23

#23

Writhes

@Batabii

Your post reminds me of this

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 12:59

#24

Flowchart

c42 getting buffed happened before this update.
Not that I mind that though, guess they don't want us being immune all the time.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 13:16

#25

Glacies

"I also think that the damage of Elite enemies has been increased. At any rate, the Lumbers that were almost breaking my 3* Skelly Shield are now completely breaking my 4* Skelly Shield while also inflicting Stun."

You sure you're not just seeing the second variable being applied on the shield? (Depth also affects this too) I don't remember exactly if a Tier 2 Lumber has a 100% chance of inflicting Stun on Elite (Know this is the case for Tier 3) or if it was a secondary-status Lumber? (IE: Silversap - Freeze, etc)

I don't think Damage is really been buffed but I'll check in Return of Ur later today to see if there's any difference in damage done to the shield.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 14:24

#26

Vesperaldus

@Shamanala: Friend immunity,

@Shamanala: Friend immunity, huh?

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 14:57

#27

The-Mighty-Potato

@Zeddy

I noticed it too :D

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 16:39

#28

Skold-The-Drac

@flowchart

They don't want offensive armor immune all the time? Shocking... :p

Now if only we got the news that dragon scale still perfectly takes it on...

defensive armor for status immunity... The perfect plea.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 17:13

#29

Flowchart

Not even with dragon scale.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 17:53

#30

Zeddy

@Skold-The-Drac

Yeah, Dragon Scale doesn't do it. It seems most oilfire is perfectly fine to walk through, but the oil that toxoils deliberately splats around (they stop up and make a splatting sound) is a bit stronger. There's basically no way to tell the difference after the fact.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 20:19

#31

Demonicsothe

@Zeddy

I've always felt that it was the polyps who drop stronger oilfires, as in they can poison a full dragon scale.

I also think that the strength of whatever applied fire to the goo is the strength of the fire that becomes aflame. I remember walking through the oiled floor and lighting everything, including myself, due to a fire applied by the gremlins.

Not 100% sure though.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 22:52

#32

Batabii

@writhes

Your post reminds me of this.

Sat, 09/28/2013 - 23:24

#33

Glacies

Decided to do a test tonight, Damage wasn't increased at all. Damage done to the Ancient Plate Shield was the same when I originally tested it on the 8th of this month.

However, Health of enemies was indeed reduced. When running through Return of Ur - Depth 20 on Elite, it took three Dark Briar Barrages to kill Devlites with Damage Bonus: Very High, this time it only took two times.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 01:01

#34

Writhes

@Batabii

Such irony is rare.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 02:02

#35

The-Worst-Knight

On client side health was set

On client side health was set : normal-80%, advanced-100%, elite-125%, but on server it was: normal-66.67%, advanced-100%, elite- 150%
Now we have first variant on both sides.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 09:51

#36

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

@The-Worst-Knight

Client side? Server side? I thought it was always server side!

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 10:14

#37

The-Worst-Knight

@Autofire

Client has config files too, but it doesn't effect on gameplay.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 10:34

#38

Klipik-Forum

I did a danger mission on elite and I was wondering why it seemed easier than usual...

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 11:28

#39

Rage-Pillows

When you're soloing, it is

When you're soloing, it is now possible to kill a small fire puppy in fsc with one hit from a five star brandish and max damage. Used to take two.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 11:34

#40

Khamsin

"When you're soloing, it is now possible to kill a small fire puppy in fsc with one hit from a five star brandish and max damage. Used to take two."

I can confirm this. This is a recent change.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 15:36

#41

Jwake

I really don't like they'd change it without reason, or at least a reason we don't know. Elite is too easy now. Simple as that. I liked the challenge and now that's gone ounce again. If anything they could have made it a bit harder then what it was. If someone wanted it easy just do it on Normal.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:02

#42

Asthix

I'm confused

I'm confused as to why they would take away an immunity to something and not mention it in the patch notes?

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 16:30

#43

Batabii

I've never been immune to fire or ice outside of the training hall or wisps.

Sun, 09/29/2013 - 18:49

#44

Shamanalah

my 2 cents

c42 getting buffed happened before this update.

1 fire max used to make me fire immune on C42 (high on sprite, high on gear) I use sword DMG Med now instead of my fire UV. C42 is the only prestige mission I do regularly because I enjoy it... I doubt there was a change within the last weeks...

And my friend 2X fire max 1X elem max used to take 1 sec fire or 0 on FSC accross all depths, now it does 3 sec fire on D24...

Happy I didn't hold on to that wolver coat fire max

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