Spiral Knights - New trailer Analysis

New trailer Analysis

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Thu, 10/17/2013 - 01:52

Midnight-Dj

So, let's discuss this. And plz, whoever is running the forum, don't graveyard this :(.

Lore bomb no.1
-Ozlo revealed!
Finally, the man behind the curtain is revealed, the big cheese of the Spiral Order. Ozlo looks good in purple and it would be cool to be to met him in the post vanguard missions Nick promised. (finding parts of Skylark across the Clockwork? Sounds fun!) I have always thought of him as a Spiral knight version of Tinkinzar, who was never seen by common knights. But the new trailer told me otherwise, Captain Ozlo seems to be the supreme commander of the Spiral knights (noone has a higher rank than him, like colonel), his clothing tells it all. And the fact that he sits on a fancy chair hints that he is also the Captain of Skylark.

-Skylark is so smexy
I have always imagined her as a large, relatively large space cruiser, twice the size of the one in the trailer (designed to have maximum crew capacity for the exchanged of less speed ). I have always saw Skylark as a rag-tag ship, in one of my fan-fic, she is modified from an old Mining ship to carry what is left of the Spiral order. But the design here just doesn't give me any hint that the knights are a part of a dying civilization.

-Stealing the power scource?
So according to the narrator. The spiral knights want to get the power source back to Isora to revive the planet, well, there is your problem, the core powers the planet Cradle too. And I am sure Gremlins are fighting to protect it. I mean, seriously, why whould the Gremlins hate us so much if the core means nothing to them? But the veryfact that we are trying take away the power core from the Gremlins atagonizes Spiral knights. In fact, I feel sorry now that I killed them and try to steal something that was rightfully theirs. (OR IS IT?)

-Morai, again.
'The morai war has driven us to extinction', says the Narrator. Plot hole strikes again (I wasn't expecting a good plot from SK) as more questions are made than answered. My perdiction for the Morai war, again, in my fan-fic. Is basically, a Spiral knight civil war. A war raged between the top 10% rich vanguards and the 50% poor, under class knights And the remaining 40% inbetweeners choose sides. The battle for equality (*cough* America *cough* ) lasted for almost a decade and the planet Isora is completely ravaged by war. The fall of Isora forced the knights to leave. Again, at this point we don't know what Morai is, it can be a slang for lower ranked knights (noob), a type of Alien that we were fighting ( new antagonist? ) or just a name for the war itself ( like how war of Roses is a war fought between various English factions, the roses stands for the elbelms of the factions )

-I am firing my... ugh... purple lazur?
I almost wished that the Skylark was taken out by an EMP pulse discharged from the planet. A mysterious source of energy fired by an unknown. The purple lazur removed so much of my imagination. But the question still remains, who fired the LAZUR? The Gremlins? The Swarm? The fiends? Judging from the distance which it is fired, it is definatedly not fired by the roamulus twins, the range and the colour just doesn't match. My perdiction is probably some kind of Swarm discharge, the swarm's consciousness fires the LAZUR and hit the skylark dealing critical damage, because it knows the knights are looking for the core, so they basically laydown and waited for us to walk into their traps, it that is the case, then the Swarm is way too patient, so it doesn't make much sense either.

Any final thoughts? Plz share!

Ps. my fan fic is very bad and contains illegal amount of lore breaking, killing of your favourite NPCs and very voilent and dark in nature( BUT ACTION-Y! ) . Anyway, just don't bother, there are so many other fanfics out there that is more worthy of your time than this! ( it is also, super long. Just don't bother)

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 05:20

Hexzyle

Plot holes? There was barely any plot to begin with, so how could they put holes in it? They're shaping the story: just because it doesn't match up to what you thought it would be, doesn't mean it's wrong.
The ravages of war don't immediately mean that the Isorans have absolutely no naval craft of decent design left. Especially non-military craft: not every ship gets sent into battle (assuming the wars occur on an intergalactic scale and not just planet-side)

Right now I'm thinking of the Morai as kind of like the Skaarj.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 05:46

Lanieu

So I'm assuming just bits

So I'm assuming just bits (and us) of the Skylark survive...as it appears to have entirely exploded.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 09:06

Battlegrinder

Slight problem

I think you're a little bit off in your characterization of Ozlo. As a naval officer (captain is also an army rank, but it's a relatively low one. If it was his army rank, Ozlo would have no reason to be on the bridge, and would likely have been barred from it), Ozlo would have minimal authority over ground troops. He likely has some authority on cradle, but he's not part of the chain of command. Though since no one above the rank of lieutenant has been seen in game, its likely that some portion of the Order's command staff were killed in the crash, Ozlo might have ended up as the highest ranking member of Spiral HQ (though he probably isn't making any major policy decisions, given his lack of knowledge in that field).

And I'm wondering how big the Skylark truly is. With only two (perspective distorted) images to go on, pinning down a workable size estimate would be tricky. I think I'll try to work up a rough estimate over the weekend.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 09:47

Kalak-Of-Tyr

Rank

Captain is a naval rank, too. Captain of the ship, like Captain Picard.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 09:53

Battlegrinder

@Kalak-of-tyr

Yes, I know that. However, a navy captain has virtually no authority over army troops, since he's part of a different organization.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 09:56

Thimol

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analysis: I could make love to ozlo's beard

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 10:32

Xtweeterx

@Thimol

Analysis: I want Ozlo's outfit as a promo costume.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 11:06

Landamber

-I am firing my... ugh...

-I am firing my... ugh... purple lazur?

It could just be the automatic (and not a conscious) defense system left by the builders of the clockworks:

Ozlo: "We found Cradle!"
Cradle: "Welcome! You are unauthorized. Please enjoy these death ray beams as a courtesy. Have an awesome day! <3"
Ozlo: " D: "

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 11:27

Tiroth

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As far as Ozlo's rank goes, I always assumed he was captain of the Skylark rather than a groundpounder. :B But I've also been assuming that, as we are are identified as knights of a particular order rather than by species name and the Skylark is/was ours, the rank structures were integrated to some degree - so now that we've crashed, a naval captain like Ozlo really would be the highest-ranking knight available. For that matter, I figure he was probably in overall command of the mission to start with, especially if we're looking for something to turn the tide of a war - he may've been the only officer of sufficient rank available to lead it.

Or perhaps, as we're an order of knights, our rank structure may be a little different to standard modern militaries. After all, knights are supposed to be better equipped and more highly trained than most, and consequently they also form smaller units. A knight captain, within his own organisation, may be equivalent to a much higher rank outside it.

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:12

#10

Hexzyle

Who cares about Ozlos beard, I want that Spiral Ushanka!

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 13:22

#11

Merethif

@those who were disccusing ranks

Lorewise Spiral Knights have definitely different ranks that modern military of real world does.
It goes like this:
1: Recruit
2: Apprentice
3: Squire
4: Soldier
5: Knight
6: Knight Elite
7: Defender
8: Defender Elite
9: Champion
10: Vanguard

I assume there are ranks unavailable for player characters, and these are:
10+x: Lieutenant (Barrus, Fehron, Vaelyn)
10+x+y: Captain (Ozlo)

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 20:02

#12

Battlegrinder

@merethif

I don't think the various knight "ranks" leading up to vanguard are actually ranks in the traditional sense. It would make the Order's command structure way too bottom-heavy. Its my belief the the player ranks are more like the marksmanship ranks in the US military: a measure of a soldier's level of weapon skill and training rather than their authority (this would also explain rank-locking equipment, as the knights don't want to lose valuable and rare gear by issuing it to someone who can't handle it). Given the role the players take on, I'd peg our actual rank as being no higher then corporal (maybe sergeant).

Thu, 10/17/2013 - 20:57

#13

Amaki

Yeah, sort of.

The thing I've noticed is that the primary unit of organization on Cradle is the guild, which is an economic rather than a military organization. This suggests to me that the Spiral Order command structure has been completely shattered, with Spiral HQ able to issue missions but not to effectively organize the knights operating on the surface. At that point there's no reason to differentiate between the "enlisted" ranks, as who has command authority has effectively no meaning with such a dispersed force. A guild could contain all sorts of noncommissioned ranks in it, but real authority rests with the individuals known as Guild Masters.

As for what the "ranks" themselves mean, my personal opinion is that they function similarly to a security clearance. This would explain why low-ranked knights aren't authorized to use high-ranked equipment, and unlike several other possible explanations it maintains a separation from prestige, since even a knight that has been operating for a considerable time might not have earned the trust to take on more vital missions.

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 03:31

#14

Hexzyle

Well, according to the Codex Astartes, the Chapter Master commands a Chapter of 1,000 Space Marines, each separated into 10 Companies of 100 Marines lead by a Captain. The Captain is often accompanied by a Command Squad. The 100 Space Marins in a Company are frequently split up into squads of 10, being led by a squad sergeant. When Initiates first join the Space Marine army, they join as Scouts: lightly armored and trained in stealth. As they learn to use various weapons, they eventually are given permission to don the Power Armor that characterizes a Space Marine. Some Squad Sergeants have gained Veteran honors, and Veteran Sergeants can form 10-man Vanguard or Sternguard squads (the former excels in melee, the latter in firepower). Others are assigned as a Terminator, and given access to some of the most powerful equipment in the arsenal, most notably Terminator armor.

So the way I see it, a "Company" of Spiral Knights were sent on this mission, which Ozlo is the Captain of. His "Command Squad" consists of Feron, Vaelyn, Barrus, etc. We start off as "Scouts" when we are recruits. Whenever we go into the clockworks as a squad, the Party Leader is essentially the "Squad Sergeant". Later, when we obtain stronger weapons and equipment, we are given permission to venture further in the clockworks. When we show our valor enough to obtain "Veteran Honors", we are given access to Tier 3. When Danger Missions say "only the most experienced knights should take this mission" they're referring to us needing to forge a Vanguard Squad in order to complete it. Recons are knights that decided to stick with the "Scout armor" and specialize further in stealth and reconnaissance, while guardians are veterans who have taken up the armor of a "Terminator".

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 04:56

#15

Bitsbee

@Merethif

*Feron

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 08:05

#16

Battlegrinder

@Hexzyle

I think you're close, but you might want to take a look at the Imperial Guard rather than the Space Marines. Though Warhammer 40k style armor in Spiral Knights would be awesome (or a stormbolter. Actaully, any kind of bolter would be fun).

@Amaki
That sounds plausible. Given that the only officers we've seen are 3 lieutenants and a sergeant, the SK command structure certainly took a hit. Assuming the Spiral Order's rank structure is similar to that of the US military, the the next three links would be captains (infantry ones, not naval) who would be in charge of company sized formations (the various lieutenants would be in change of the various platoons within that company), then a major or two to coordinate those, all under the command of a colonel (who would be equal in rank to Captain Ozlo). My guess is that the Spiral HQ we've had mentioned is made up of the surviving captains and maybe a few more lieutenants, who resorted to a council system after their superiors died in the crash (yeah, I know it wasn't technically a crash, but it seems to be the phrase used in-universe).

If we decide to treat guilds as a part of the Knight's organization rather than just a game element, then I'd guess they were designed to serve as a self-sufficient company (the military kind of company, not a platemail clad walmart), to free up the surviving officers so they could work on getting rescued.

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 08:12

#17

Arkate

I remember a long time ago Nick saying that the original plan was for us to look like classic Space Marines. And nobody likes the guard.

"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 08:31

#18

Battlegrinder

We are the Emperor's meatshield!

Hey, the guard's not bad. They have Ciaphas Cain (Hero of the Imperium!),Baneblades, and....um....ok, so they don't have much. But they're still cool.

Sci-fi style armor would be really cool, I hope they add some in the gunner update.

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 08:33

#19

Arkate

"Sci-fi style armor would be really cool, I hope they add some in the gunner update."

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Mercurial_Demo_Suit

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 08:39

#20

Battlegrinder

@Arkate

Mercurial never really struck me as Sci-fi. It looks cool, but it doesn't quite look sci-fi (its more like teslapunk than anything. Which is still cool, but its not sci-fi). And besides, very few items match it and its really hard to obtain.

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 08:42

#21

Arkate

Eh.Yeah, I guess. Although once I get my hands on it, and I can find a steam mask for sale (Or I just get a bombhead mask.) I will have one fine, fine look.

Fri, 10/18/2013 - 12:29

#22

Hexzyle

Well Space Marines have Centurians. Nuff said. :P

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 16:32

#23

Tronseven

-Stealing the power source?

Well, there is a theory that Cradle wasn't the Gremlin's home planet in the first place! Which places how we haven't seen King Tinkinzar much often either.
Some predict that IF the Skylark is repaired in a new update, Ranks up to Knight Elite and above are allowed to travel to different worlds. Which extends the game and maybe a battle of you, Ozlo, and King Tinkinzar on the "Gremlin Home Planet".

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 18:42

#24

Crashburnboom

Upcoming content?

Also, we have yet to see the "Great Colony", more of Cradle's surface, Spiral HQ, more passive Cradle creatures (Seerusly, are all creatures evil D:), the "living form" of the zombies, "us" without our power gear, a pit boss boss, and a reason why we can't use "crystal energy" (from crystals) to power our operations. We've got nothing better to do with our crystals besides using 3/5 of them to make pet food.

Also, the gremlins hate us for exploring the clockworks - they've worked hard on sweeping those floors and now we've messed them up by spreading rock pieces, dirt, and bodies in our wake. It's hard not to see why they don't hate us.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 18:55

#25

Midnight-Dj

What the, who brought this thread back? Arthas? Is that you?! I thought I pwned you in WoW.

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