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Sat, 05/24/2014 - 15:53
Vanguard-Xelon's picture
Vanguard-Xelon

because nobody has yet talked about this guy, who on cradle is he? (or she?)
the plot thickens, if we do fight him i suspect his level would be a water/sewer themed level, why you ask? simple, he assaults the Lab and reclaims the core through the pipelines, has 2 green buzzsaws and has a green energy symbol for his eye, he sort of looks like an assassin type character who in most games can make use of poison
i picture his level sets primarly having more traps than anything, and if you make it past the traps you will encounter alot of ghostmane stalkers

okay now onto the topic of timeline, what order do these events take place because its possible to defeat Seerus before you do the Tier 2 mission shocking sentries and its possible to kill vanaduke before the artefact is stolen

well i think pretty much everyone can agree it goes Missions > Arcade > DLC
but you can do these in any order so lets solidify a timeline
We crash on Cradle, we do all the missions first, the Danger missions take place during the basic missions aswell
this is because during the missions we are encountering most of these for the first time or are establishing what these creatures from the clockworks are, aswell as retaliating to gremlins and helping the recon parties, Desnas Danger missions involves a similar thing its just we have found a more Dangerous area of the clockworks
then comes the Arcade, more specifically the core
in the FSC mission we get to a darker core, its almost like your the first ones down here but in the arcade we find Leuitenant Vaelyn standing guard

then comes DLC, we can say that DLC comes last in terms of events no matter the tier because if we killed Seerus/Herex in there Tier 1 form or killed Herex before Seerus then it would make no sense how they are creating or effecting a plot

oh and for those who are saying Herex wont be the next DLC boss, its not concrete but it is cement
plus why make Swimwear if you dont intend to have knights swim at some point, HEREXUNDERDASEACONFIRMED

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 00:58
#1
Colray's picture
Colray
LoreCraft

Herex has been hinted at a few times.

A scenario room shows a dead gremlin with a note that says:

The others must never know. Silence them -H

And after reading it, a ghostmane stalker appears.

I have nothing to say about this, other than the fact that it seems like Herex is behind this message.

Another is in the Compound 42 where the description reads.

Spiral HQ has uncovered a gremlin bioweapons facility deep within the Clockworks. It is believed that this facility belongs to a member of the Crimson Order known only as Herex. The Recon Rangers have been tasked with infiltrating the facility and uncovering the nature of Herex's bioweapons before they are put to use."

Some facts are shown here. He is a crimson order member like Razwog and Seerus. He also seems to be responsible for bioweapons testing. Poison seems prominent. As well as fire.

Yet again we have a hint in the OCH expansion mission. Where Warmaster Seerus asks you if Herex sent you to kill him.

I couldn't find the exact text, but it seems that the Crimson Order is full of rivalries. With members constantly trying to kill each other for power.

A new one is a recon model seemingly sent to Razwog from -H

Schemer Razwog: Work away from the others. The order must never know we have the artifact. Find a way to power it. Bring it to me. Do not betray me, I will know. -H

It also seems that some Crimson Order members have some sort of control over other members. Although this has not been confirmed. In the mission, Sentient Sentries, the newly introduced Sputterspark seems to be receiving orders from Seerus. Sputtersparkhas not been confirmed as a Crimson Order member but he fits the details the other members have.

Probably the most speculation filled one is at the end of Spark and Roar. A recon module says...

The Iron Law is Broken!
The Crimson Order is False!
The nine are blind, they cannot see the Truth that lies below.
The nine are deaf, they cannot hear the Resonance that beats below within this world.

Herex no longer serves as one of the nine.
Only Herex sees and hears the truth. Only Herex will prevail.
Follow Herex and you will be spared."

It now is apparent that Herex has left the order and is taking on something big. Probably something that has to do with the Artifact.

That's all I have to say, sorry if this is rude but people have been talking about it and the has his own page on the wiki. Some research may be required before speculation.befits

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 01:18
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Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
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Hmm, just one thing, if Herex once belonged to Crimson order, then why did he write 'nine are blind' in the recon module? It should clearly be 'eight are blind instead', or was he replaced by someone else that we don't know? Or is the nine members of the crimson order something else completely.

And now, what is the iron law? And who broke it? Serrus? Tinkinzar, or someone we have yet to seen.

ps. I am rather dissapointed with how Herex looked... I always imagined him as a educated looking, glasses wearing scientist with an eccentric mad man beneath his white lab coat. but oh well, it is OOO afterall.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 01:53
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Crimson-Xe
I don't think Razwog is a

I don't think Razwog is a member of the order, just a scientist helping Herex. A few gremlins defected from the Crimson Order / the main tribe (and not just emberlight). That's Herex and his followers, who are trying to use the artifact to do something. Since he has something to do with the swarm, I think he's trying to destroy whatever/whoever is in the core. I wouldn't really want Herex as like the final boss of spiral knights though, it doesn't seem fitting.

In OCH, Seerus made that shadow bomb just for the other members of the order, but that might just be for traitors like Herex.

Also those huge plug things at the end of boss levels in the recent update look like places for the artifact, Do they drop something to players doing the boss fights for the first time? Apparently you get something from FSC now, some kind of artifact like item, but I have no idea what. In the lab for vanguards, it's to the right of the entrance.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 05:18
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Dreamless-Reaper
Hi

Midnight-Dj- I personally believe that a scientist look doesn't fit with Herex because as the note says ' He sees everything in the dark' which is something that a ninja would be most likely to say.

Colray- I saw that scenario room once and from the looks of it it seems that someone is killing the gremlins,maybe It's Herex since in the updated missions Spark and Roar you can see in the last depth of the mission you can see black squares floating around the room which they sort of look like the ones in the shadow lair.
This means that Herex as found a way to open the Core using the artifact, also he knows about the dark monsters which the module 'to the core' describes,but then again this makes me wonder what type of living creature is inside the core since in Mission 'Spark and Roar' it says :The nine are deaf, they cannot hear the Resonance that beats below within this world' so it means that the core could be something which is alive or an egg which grants power.

When the note says
The Iron Law is Broken!
The Crimson Order is False!
The nine are blind, they cannot see the Truth that lies below.
The nine are deaf, they cannot hear the Resonance that beats below within this world.

I believe it says that the members of the 9 are corrupted and they each want the power to themselves.

But I fell that there is need for more information needed before starting to create a timeline because we still don't know almost anything about the other Members of the 9 also of the King of gremlins and the artifact.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 05:29
#5
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
@dreamless-reaper

Strangely enough, a well mannered scientist who looks at you in board daylight would be the last person you expect to betray you. I guess OOO design team focused more on the 'whispering' aspect of Herex's nickname rather than the 'venom' part. And the Herex in my image is a man who is like a 'venom', at the start you don't feel anything when he is there, and suddenly he takes away your life in a blink of an eye with a sharp sting.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 06:00
#6
Crimson-Xe's picture
Crimson-Xe
You think of that but then

You think of that but then you don't think of ninja? Ninjas always use poisoned weapons

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 06:14
#7
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
@crimson-Xe

Ninjas do not 'always' use poison weapon, they have various method of delivering death other than deadly poison (IRL that is). And the venom I am talking about here is not the literal vernom, but a metaphorical venom, suggesting that Herex looks normal on the outside, but deadly when he actaully reveals his true self and strike.

And also, I just think that a ninja outfit is way too cliche for Herex, almost all the fan arts out there about Herex have him dressed up as either a ninja/shinobi looking guy or a rouge Nazi experiment from wolfenstein. And also, ever tried to work in a bio laboratory with jump suit or ninja outfit?

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 07:58
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Bakerrich's picture
Bakerrich
what we actually know about Herex

a quick search of the wiki will reveal that:

-he is also called "the whispering venom"
-he has at some-point been a member of the crimson order
-he is "no mere gremlin" ( this maybe taken literally or figuratively as not much of Herex is ever seen)
-he owns compound 42, a bioweapons facility
-he is capable of sending a group known as "iron assassins", a formidable force who may be behind the scenario room attack as mentioned in other posts
-his relationship with seerus may be deteriorating as seerus presumes the iron assassins have been sent to kill him
-razwog works along side Herex
-he may have a relationship with the swarm
-he continues to fund the development of weapons

MY CONCLUSIONS:
-Herex is a member of the crimson order who uses the power that gives to fund extensive weapon research.
-Though still one of the nine, Herex has become distant from the other crimson order members and so resorts to scheming without their knowing
-Herex uses his arsenal of weapons and research to arm his own group, the iron assassins. this technology allows him to cloak himself, and stage the heist on the lab.
-Herex acts without the knowledge of the nine. he ensures this by covering his tracks at any cost

P.S. - Herex may or may not be male i just chose to think of him as male.

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 10:44
#9
Klipik-Forum's picture
Klipik-Forum

Quite simply.

Crimson Order = Nazis
Herex+followers = Hydra

Sun, 05/25/2014 - 14:55
#10
The-Vindicar's picture
The-Vindicar
@Bakerrich

I do believe that "iron assassins" is Gremlin designation for knights. After all, knights typically work in small groups, and usually seen carrying on some sort of mission, which sometimes involves killing a renowned being. And remember that only Emberlight gremlins know something about the knights, so unless Crimson Order has spies in Emberlight, their vision of Spiral Order would be quite one-sided.

Otherwise, yes, Herex has gone rogue long ago. My crazy idea is that he might have striken a deal with the Swarm - if Swarm is sentient enough for that - to open the Core using the artefact and let the Swarm devour the entity inside.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 10:46
#11
Gkku's picture
Gkku
@Crimson-Xe:

"Also those huge plug things at the end of boss levels in the recent update look like places for the artifact"

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
I have no doubt they have something to do with the Artifact; looking at the bottom of the Artifact, it does seem to be the right size and shape for those things.

Also taking a close look at the one in the Jelly Palace reveals this thing has markings on it that are extremely similar to the ones wrapping around the sides of the Artifact.

EDIT: Fought JK again to get better pictures of "this thing"; side view, top view.

/shrug Awsome-Incarnate
I feel both terms are acceptable. If you don't slap a gender on someone/something the mind will naturally assume it's male until proven otherwise, thus while Royal Jelly is the official name it's understandable for people to alternatively call it the Jelly King.

Mon, 05/26/2014 - 07:49
#12
Awsome-Incarnate's picture
Awsome-Incarnate
"The Nine are Blind"

It's a good point since he left the Order, so here are a few *inane* thoughts:

-He's already been replaced
-He thinks he is still one of them and believes he is the part of the Swarm (this one is plain stupid, I know)
-Or better yet, to cope with the Tinkzar/Swarm lore, he is saying they are no longer there powerful prime selves, have all gone loco, and serve the swarm.

Links: http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Herex
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Swarm

Now, assuming OCH is 100% canon, here is the gremlin timeline (supposedly)

Rescue Camp Missions: We beat Razwog and get the Artifact. HAVEN BOUND! (Ancient Generator and Crossing the Chasm)
Scenario Rooms FTW.
A New Threat(?): Artfact is...stolen? ok....
OCH: Beat Seerus! (it has a T1 and 2 form as well)
Ironclaw Mutinous Factory: Plot to destroy Haven is foiled!
Ok...
Beyond the Axes and Spark and Roar: MOAR LORE! Plus more plots to kill us. Yay.
Swarm Based Missions in Order go here.

So, Compound 42 goes where? Let's say between scenario rooms and New Threat.

I know I've missed some stuff, so aim dem Grim Repeaters and Fire Box away.
Oh wait, you can't, cuz only one of the exists right now.

#Razwogisacyborgnao

P.S. It's Royal Jelly, not Jelly King.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/SpiralKnights
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IAmNotShazam
There. Is. No. King. Sorry, it just BUGS me.

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