Are these people staying or just dropping in, seeing everything has gone to tell, and then leaving? Start loggin them.

Your version of "Spiral Knights Hell" is different than mine and assuredly different than that of the newbies. If you were born in Hell isn't it just another day in the Clockworks?

I read the forums regularly and still don't get all the outrage. Heck, I don't even hear anything negative about the game while I'm actually playing it, what with the trade channel being a smapfest anyways and not a chat channel I frequent. I don't really get where most of the complaints come from since I guess it doesn't make sense to us ~P2Pers~.

You can revive teammates with Health instead of Energy. You should only be Energy reviving when the whole team is wiped out, and only one player should Energy-revive per wipe.

If your whole team is wiping so frequently that everyone's at 100+ revive costs, you should really improve your gear and skills before coming back to Tier 3.

I don't understand the forums sometimes. People say CE/energy is fine and newbies are just whining, then the market goes up or devs change something and you guys freak out. On either case.

That isn't really the main problem. ME still exists, and it exists for a reason - To actually limit the gameplay. Any endgame player knows that there is little content or objectives after you reach T3, get your gear, etc. Considering the team is so small, their rate of releasing content won't ever be fast enough for the endgame players, and if those limitations were never in place, even the less hardcore players would end up complaining.

Basically, they pretty much made this so you're forced to pay if you wish to play for longer than the gameplay time your ME can provide you. This is pretty much just a temporary limit, once we get more content and stuff, this limit will likely lower. Most of the energy "sinks", like descending into dungeons, reviving or danger rooms, are pretty minor and work fine with the current system. (although getting some more dungeon gameplay time with ME would be nice) The only problem here is really just crafting. Although it still contributes to their main objective.

It's kind of funny, though. As "bad" as the CE market is right now, it's not nearly as crazy as it was back in the preview event. Back then, CE costed 11k per 100 CE. Crafting was only at most 300CE, and recipes didn't cost more than 15K cr, however the rate of profit from levels couldn't stand up to the cost of CE. Materials were worth more, but it was pretty much impossible to sell any due to the small playerbase. And what did the CE players do? Nothing. There were barely any complainers - Most players just dealt with it, accepted the slow progression and just had fun with the game, instead of bothering with making money or getting pro gear. Because sadly, this limit is there for a reason. (although this limit wouldn't have to exist if TRD didn't release the game so flippin' early)

People should try to lay off a bit and run mostly on ME. The gameplay time you actually get is little, sure, but in the end, the game will last much longer for you. Just look at me - I'm a hardcore paid player who runs on CE. Reached endgame within one week of the release. Got full 5star with most of the things I'd ever use in two weeks. Got tons of variants, even more gear, etc within a month. I'm pretty much really bored of the game right now, because there's no more content for me. Even weapons or gear, I already played around with most of them.

And it isn't even just me. Several guildmates and friends are getting pretty tired of the game for the same reason.

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ahem, done with that rant, now about the actual problem on the CE market.

It's called the community.

No, it's called the desperate community.

Just open the market and pay attention to it for a bit. You'll notice the prices fluctuate quite often, and players get on offer wars, trying to offer 1 crown more than each other just to buy a mere 100 to 500 CE. Then some decide "SCREW THIS, I'M BIDDING TONS MORE BECAUSE I HAVE NO PATIENCE AND I'M GOING TO DIE IF I DON'T PLAY ANOTHER DUNGEON OR CRAFT THIS RANDOM ITEM WITHIN 30 SECONDS", and then the price skyrockets.

This is all just plain unnecessary. Whenever I need CE, I just place about 10 offers at the fourth highest current offer and leave it there. I always end up getting a purchase within one hour.

Additionally, people attempting to abuse the market also end up having an effect on this, since they also lack patience and end up getting on offer wars aswell. To be honest, most of those desperate players getting on offer wars are probably those market manipulators.

This problem isn't even exclusive to the CE market. Anyone who has watched the trade/zone chats back before auction house was implemented would see that prices of items would drop daily. Avengers and Fausts started at about 2000CE worth, and it was a generally fair price, considering how long it takes to get the tokens and all. With the trade chat and overload of those weapons, it dropped to 1000CE, which was pretty much the same price as other four stars, with no actual profit from the effort to collect a Sealed Sword. Eventually it reached an all-time low of 600CE. There's pretty much no profit here.

This can still be notice a bit post the Auction House patch. For example, haze bombs - I see several bombs selling for 350 crowns or less buy-out. The problem here? It sells for vendors at 300 crowns. The rest should be obvious.

Sadly, this problem on the market likely won't ever find a solution or end. There's just too many people abusing the CE market, and too many desperate players trying to buy/sell things as fast as possible, no matter how much money they lose.

Eventually, though, it's likely that energy and crafting costs in general will be reduced, as we get more content. It probably won't be so soon, sadly.

@GodofSkype1 - ...oh my god

I honestly have no words for the ignorance contained in that post. I'm sorry.

Great job, though - You just achieved troll status. For real this time.

"Crafting items cost energy. (Critical, every since the patch crafting never seemed less worth it)"
so u want free items? yea easy all done and ur bored after a week or 2

"Reviving costs energy. (Major, in a single T3 run who knows how many hundreds you might spend)"
why on earth do people revive for energy, just let it be or dont complain for ur own actions
actually im happy that there is a revivng system!!!

"Upgrading slots cost energy. (Critical, if you want to keep your slots you have to pay 100-700CE a month)"
1 month is far more than enough to get 100-700CE

"Energizing a mecha knight costs energy. (Minor, but I'd take a chance on mecha knight vial)"
enjoy ur mecha knight :D

"Trading items sometimes cost energy. (Major, in my opinion we shouldn't be able to trade CE)"
now THIS is something ive NEVER seen before, while every1 urges to have everything tradable, best example here 4* and 5* gear, ur simply AGAINST it. no idea what ur thinking, but i surely wont be able to play as much anymore if CE wasnt tradable, because elevator fees are the MAIN problem for me

"Going to dungeons requires energy. (Minor, if this was the only use for energy...)"
u pay to play the game..how about u throw away all of ur energy and just start over without spending any real money and then say, that this is a MINOR problem^^? oh and dont forget to imagine how a person, who is new to this game would feel about it. thank you.

@GoS
Your response to kakelgis is something along the lines of "but the ancient Roman empire existed 2800 years ago! Therefore everything that occurred during that period of time is completely irrelevant to today."

Think about that for a couple of days, and hopefully you'll realize your idiocy. I don't mean this as a personal attack, but on more than one (read: ten) occasion have you made a completely ignorant, stupid, and uneducated response to someone else who made a valid point.

Anyway, here's my two cents.

Shortly after the game opened to the public, I paid for the 20,000 CE package and split it amongst two other people, keeping $25 (10k CE) for myself. I haven't purchased CE once since then; not with crowns or with money. In fact, I have ~10,700 CE in my account right now, and it would be +4000 CE if I hadn't crafted a bunch of 4* and 5* gear for people in my guild. I have more CE than I started with (much, much more considering how many items I crafted since I started playing) because I moderated my progression and also spent the time and effort selling things that people wanted.

The fact is that you can run completely autonomously if you use your mist energy and CE in a smart way and by also spending a bit of time selling things while you recover mist energy. It doesn't matter that the crafting costs have increased or that you can no longer sell most 4*+ equipment.

Thing is - ce isn't as valuable as the market holds it, nor is it expensive.

It is simply inflated, artificially, by greedy players.

750 ce costs $2.50 from OOO, that is about 1/3rd of an hour's pay for a high school student...

Sellers on the market are currently holding 100 ce at the full profit of a jk dive, or about 6k cr...

Basically they believe that my hour's grinding is worth 33 cents... RIIIIGHT...

I'll buy my ce from OOO and no one else until energy prices are under 4k / 100ce