there's nothing wrong with the bombs, it was more of a buff than a nerf.

The duration and the radius are a little smaller yes, but they're still easily the most ridiculously efficient status-delivery weapons in the game. When gunners and swordies figure out how to flash freeze or fire an entire room with bullets or blades, then you might be out of a job.

All they did was make you think about it a little more. You might actually have to get a monster's attention now to get him in the cloud, but in most corridors and rooms, dont worry, you still don't.

We weren't hurt at all by the 5* nerfs and we definitely benefited from the 3* buffs. You should be happy that bombing overall is more accessible to the playerbase, as opposed to just the handful of us full time hardcore bombers.

get over it, the were unbalanced compared to the rest of the bombs. its a change for the better.

Okay, the haze bombs are really only super-powerful situationally, but those situations arise awfully often. I've only had my shivermist buster for a few days, and I was already impressed without even developing any substantial skill with it at how much easier it can make things. Having used the freeze bombs from 3* up as I was heating them... yeah, they sucked. Almost impossible to get any good use out of them before, don't know about now, might find out when I build fire and poison, sooner or later. Other gear projects first and new stuff out, so.

I was like whaaa when I read the update, but seeing it in action makes me feel like the bombs haven't lost any of their effectiveness at all, in danger rooms and arenas where they are most useful...

What I can't get over... is how ugleh they're now D;

What have you done to the art of the icon and the bomb? /e cries for all my 5 star hazes.

All OOO did was make use Haze bombers need to use 2 bombs what we did with 1 before, causing more spamming.

What they should have done was slow the charge time of haze bombs but keep the duration. I have no problem spamming my Shivermist, it's just now I have to annoy my team with 2 bombs instead of 1.

I'm happy with the the change. Before, it was a rush to 4*+ with fiery and freezing bombs because the difference in cloud sizes from 2*->3* was hardly noticeable, but the jump from 3*->4* was huge. Now it feels much more linear, and my 3* Freezing Vaporizer is getting a lot more use.

uh, please no to any and all suggestions of making the charge time of the haze bomb series longer. I have Shivermist that goes to Max CTR and I still feel that is too slow. And without giving more detailed advice to exactly how much longer to change the duration of the mist vs charge time, the developers might pull another joke and go like:

Increase charge time by 1 full second
Increase cloud duration by 400 milliseconds

:V

Really, I'm only thinking at this point the reason for the change might finally be related to 6* items, because I've always went like bombs just can't get any bigger or then they really would be overpowered (as they were, they weren't OP). And I thought any further changes to them that may come as a result of the core coming out would be something like bomb fusion to keep a similar radius but bring back things we lost from the cold snap/fire cracker lines, basically normal damage freezing/burning.

But I guess I was thinking too much, now if 6* items come, then it just means our radius will go back to what it was before, maybe a little bigger. But that's not worth a possible 1600 energy investment to me. I can live with the new Shivermist changes as they are.

No, there are two unrelated things in my post. The first is that if you're going to tell them to change the length of the charge on the haze bomb series and increase the duration, please be more specific. As I was one of the many people that went like "IMF doesn't give enough crowns in relation to Jelly King". And that kind of unspecific advice was some of what led them to make the changes of the last patch which effectively improved the crown rate from IMF compared to Jelly king...since they reduced the amount of crowns you can obtain from JK levels. We got what we wanted, but not exactly the way we thought when we said such complaints.

Which is why I'm warning against giving vague advice before the same thing happens again and they do something like the numbers I listed above.

The second half is simply an observation about a possible reason they made this change. There's no indication that five star is the ultimate max after all.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/721
That's when they created 5* items, seems like a long time ago but they've changed many things since then. It's possible that they could one day decide there is room for a 6* class. And I had thought if that was possible, that anything done to bombs would need to be really impressive given the size of 5* bombs at the time. It's a more hopeful thought than one that is based off of any fact.

However, given the changes to 5* at this time, unless there really was such a fantastic change to a legendary 6* one, I'm saying I'd have no reason to ever consider upgrading if it was just something as lame as putting the radius back to where it used to be(and no duration changes).

And living with it. You live with a lot of things in this game. the crafting changes were one of the biggest, and heck, I've made probably more 5* items since they did that than from prior to the change. I won't ever like that, but its not really killing my fun when I want to play the game. I also accept it because some of the more prominent bombers are fine with it.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/4347?page=4#comment-83373
Stating that the change in duration is about 300-500 ms. That's 3/10 to half of a second... I've went through arenas since the patch, its almost the same for me personally. I'd love the extra squares and the extra half second, but I don't care anymore.

What makes using demo armor to get max CTR better then using a Very High UV to get max CTR?

If you can wouldn't you prefer the latter...?

And that is why us Demomen are a rare, yet proud race of people that love blowing things up.

But it wouldn't hurt to have a tactical weapon, like a sword or gun.

What if the bomber suit was a disguise and you were actually wearing Vog while using Very High CTR UV bombs? Do you count as a Demoman then?

Sweet.

The bombs were overpowered. Shivermist Buster in particular was the only answer anyone had to a number of tactical problems.

If the change only requires people to spam out more bombs to get the same effect... you have to be able to spam out bombs. The change wil then mean that the many swordies that carry a non-UV shivermist buster in their back pocket need to think again, invest in a UV, switch to bombing gear, or trade out their nerfed shivermist for a better choice ... if the patch did its job and made it small enough.

I use all three weapon-types, but shivermist is my only 5* bomb for a reason. Because it was OP and made many things otherwise impossible or extraordinarily difficult into easy street. I do feel a difference in the post-patch shivermist... not much, but it might be enough that I take shivermist on a few less runs in favor of hail driver or something. If it does, that's pretty much better balanced by definition. Shivermist is -clearly- still very useful, nobody can credibly argue that the patch made it useless.

inb4personalattacks?

I was joking, I figured Eurydice would've popped by and dropped this by now since I saw her and some of the other admins rolling around topics. Two days without response was enough to kill the topic on its own. Instead, it got a bump with veiled negativity where this will devolve into nothing more than advanced wordplay that won't help anything anymore.

So instead, my contribution is
Pie. I'm not the biggest fan of it, but I've had a few. Chocolate pie is rather nice. But then again, I LOOOOVE all things chocolate.