You do crappy damage and you break CC with your crappy damage. There's also certain mob types that you will either make much more annoying (T3 wolvers) or where you're almost entirely worthless (any dodging mob).

This game doesn't need a support class who is there primarily to rez people; if people don't suck they won't die enough to justify your presence, and if they do suck and die, they generally don't do enough to justify your presence rezzing them so they can die again.

If you want to be a gunner, that's fine. Just don't expect people to enjoy grouping with you.

Hatred from disreputable gentlemen is going to continually persist.

Some people don't appreciate diversity. I appreciate a gunner that knows what he's doing though, speaking from someone who uses guns to pick off Gremlin Menders from hoards of Mecha Knights without sacrificing a hit or distracting Gun Puppies from afar so someone can smack the crap out of it. You clear out mobs a lot easier without the risk and worry about wasting health and, consequently, CE from over-rezzing. Either way, every party is going to have its downers, its not going to just be gunners. It could also be idiot swordsman who don't really know how to block-dodge and therefore don't really appreciate the support of someone who could make their lives a little better. Someone who's actually -good- at playing wouldn't be affected by gunners.

i personally like gunners too, its just something other than hords of swordsmen, who cant even stay alive a few minutes without wasting health or dying.
a gunner is a nice addition to any party (if he knows what he does), just like someone said before me, they take out healers easily or destroy/distract puppys, which swordsmen can hardly reach sometimes.

One gunner dancing around the perimeter of a danger room or arena who knows what they are doing it a godsend. They keep the status effects spreading, and they stay alive long enough to rez other people. If you're a pure gunner, I feel you should also be the first to rez since you should be taking the least damage. If you're doing these things, you're doing your job, and they are idiots, UNLESS you are fighting JK, in which case sword zerg with poison potions flying seems to still be the easiest method. Guns don't really cut it there.

OP, you just happened to find (too many) elitist groups in your adventures. They are everywhere, in every game, in every forum, obsessed with numbers and DPS and flaming and stuff.

I actually prefer to have gunners on my party over 4 lolshinyswords. I like diversity, I like support, and I like Argent Peacemaker.
Also, a group with diversity is a group with victory (and boss tokens). A group with 4 insane berserkers is mostly useless (except if you are a gunner. In that case, you got some nice meat shields!) if you don't have a good leader (oh, people also need to understand that a knight who give too many orders is actually a LEADER, not a douche... most of the time, yeah).

Try to make some friends, find a nice guild, and you will get some fun eventually.
Other than that, solo is is the only way to avoid elitists.

I don't think I've seen a lot of pure gunslingers out there. I've seen bombers, but next to or no gunslingers. I am not amused.

I'd actually like to have a gunslinger on my side to see how the game flows with one. I don't mind having anyone on my team as long as they know what they're doing. Heck, I've had swordsman after swordsman die on me a million times, leaving me and other living party members to break through the enemy forces to resurrect the downed soldier. There was this one time where it got so bad that I was basically a medic, running back and forth to revive fallen knights. I think it ended up in everyone, including myself, being slain. What happened after that I can no longer remember. Sure, warriors duke out the damage, but they also run the risk of falling in the process. No-one is perfect, and even the best amongst our ranks are bound to be swatted at one point or other.
In before; "lol i did t3 no hits w/ swords"
My reply: "Okay, keep it up for 168 hours in-game time and include Lord Vanaduke at least seven times. Good luck!"

Gunners have strong points in them, and the recent addition to their arsenals just makes it all the more interesting. If you feel like it you're welcome to run with me anytime, stanfy. I'm Shidara in-game as well.

As for myself, I main the swords. I like taking down enemies as quickly as possible, and bombs aren't entirely my thing either. I keep at least one bomb and a handgun on me for different situations while holding two spots open for the lolshinyswords. Variety is good, and I like to be set for most situations the game can put me in.

There's a saying that gets used in MMOs. It goes something like this:
"It's your 15 dollars so you can do what you want, but it's our 60 dollars and we think you're an idiot"

You acknowledge that you do significantly less damage than swords. You acknowledge that your weapon of choice is useless against certain enemies. You acknowledge that you are playing a support role in a game that doesn't require any such support.

You should just accept that you will occasionally be kicked from groups because the role you choose to play is deemed unnecessary by many. Complaining about it when you already know that the style you play is sub-par is just silly.

you break CC with your crappy damage

What the heck is CC?

Does that even matter in a game like this? Unless you're in certain instances of FSC I don't think it should really matter. Maybe some arenas as well.

Stanfy, you can play with me anytime as well if you're having trouble with partying. IGN is Radish.

Gunners are pretty useful. U can have swordsmen smash at the enemy while the gunner stays t the side and strafes anything that the swordsmen didn't kill. and if the swords all die, they kill the remaining monsters from a distance where they're not likely to get hit as much as a swordsman. this has helped me a bakillion times in areanas. all the swords die, and the gunner goes around strafing and killing until he/she wins. they can also be useful for jk. one of my techniques is 2 swordsmen smash the jk, another swordsman with knockback weapon smashes at the incoming jellies, and the gunner runs around strafing trying to attract most of the jellies attention to draw them away from the swords. this works somethimes. u just gotta have the right team to do it though.
Back to the main topic.
There are a lot of idiots in this game who think that they r awesomer than everyone else. when they see someone else appear in their party, they're like "i dont need help! i am to pro to need assistance." and then they kick u. so it might not be the fact that your a gunner, ut the fact they dont need help. and they want all the mats to themself. this kind of stuff sort of happens ot me to. i like to wearmy begining armor as a costume, and immediatly people start to think im a beginning noob. they dont want me. so they kick me. not that i dontmind, i can solo teir 1 easily and most of teir 2 as well. but the point is that... um... uh... okay, there is no point. not one i can think of anyways.
btw, i apolagize for all the grammer mistakes. lol.
and u can come gunning with me any time u want. IGN: Lordofnecromancers

I play as a gunny and have never been unwelcome in a group. I have only ever played with one other gunny (this isn't for a lack of trying. I am 5*). Frequently I am invited by a friend or guildy as soon as I log on because most of them have had me carry them through a t3 graveyard. Every "elitest" Vog cub who has wanted me kicked but wasn't the leader has tried to freind me after beating the duke. But as I said earlier I haven't played with other gunnies so I'm not sure how the cards stack for others.

~if you want to see a gunner who is more usefull than the average swordy add me. IGN Mustado

P.S. I sound really full of myself and I'm really not.

Have only been kicked a couple of times, but 9/10 of my runs consist of me carrying the team most of, if not the entire, way. I use my guns more than my other weapons, usually.

Gunners are very rare but I once did a full 4 gunner party and it made 4 sword parties look like a joke. Though it was 4 skilled gunners so yeah.

Maybe I kicked you? I kick a lot of people before they ever finish loading because I just went solo and haven't had time to lock the party before all you guys come swarming in. Yup, don't even bother looking at your gear nor do I care what you're wearing I just want to solo a dungeon and forgot to lock the party.

To be frank to make the *perfect* group you have to have 1 gunner, 1 bomber, and 2 tanks. (all of which are good.... no brainer) I can't stand groups that are all swords. When I see them I always double check I have extra CE.

1."This game is loaded with idiots. It's hard to find a good party." -Renpartycat

Completely true, I get kicked the second I swap out my DTB for my Shadow Driver during JK runs, absoluely ridiculous.
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2.I see that each weapon is specified for a type of advantage in battle:

Swordsman deal the most damage but they constantly leave themselves an opportunity for the enemy to attack them.

Gunners are the long range and distraction specialists, but they cannot deal alot of damage.

Bombers are the crowd controlers but they take longer to attack than everyone else.
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3.In my opinion, if you actually get to tier 3, get a sword that has a splash damage (mostly Brandish series) or a projectile throwing charge attack, a good gun (like they Cryotech since they can freeze enemies,) or a long ranged or projectile blast-like bomb. (since enemies can deal alot of damage and it would be stupid to hack and slash all of the time....)
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4.The only reason I think people actually do kick people because of them being Gunners is the CC breakup(as stated above in this topic), because getting bombs like the shivermist is ideal for stalling large groups of enemies, and a gunner just shoots randomly in the crowd, and free all of the enemies (just like me asking my teammates NOT TO HIT THE TOUGHER ENEMIES WHEN I FREEZE THEM WITH MY GLACIUS,) I really don't mind gunners as long as they know what to do and pay attention, other than that, I really don't care if your a gunner or not.
-VermilionShadow

Ohwait, so people actually kick gunners based on what they're wearing. All this time I've been wearing Vog Cub gear, which has absolutely no benefit to me as a gunner whatsoever!

Maybe you should try using deodorant, then.

You get kicked for being a gunner?

Weird indeed, I have played with gunners and they are pretty reliable on JK runs, Usually me and another Swordman are "shielding" the gunners while they spam shadowtech or the fiery pepperbox, it makes the job quicker and they are quite useful against the "spiked" jellies (Big and regular) and the puppy turrets.

On JK they are mostly using vials on JK or distracting the jellies while the sword users deal the damage on JK.

Totally not a week later...

I wouldn't want someone like that in my group, whether it be a gunner or a demo or a swordsman.

There is no such thing as a Gunner. There are no classes or specs or special abilities. There is only DPS, status effects, and skill. So if you use a gun you are trading DPS for status effects, however these can still be applied by bombs or even swords sometimes. So really you are just giving up DPS for no real benefit. That is why other players don't want you in their groups.

That being said play the game however you like. This game isn't serious enough to care about "high level play" or any of that nonsense. People who are used to soloing will still be able to kill the enemies and your gun damage will just be a little bonus.

gun·ner/ˈgənər/Noun
1. A serviceman who operates or specializes in guns, in particular.

We have gunners. I myself am actually leaning towards it after actually making a few guns and using them in many different situations. You are giving up DPS for the ability to attack from a greater distance and exposing yourself to less danger than you would as a bomber. The only drawback to being a gunner is dealing with dodging enemies, as no other type of weapon has such a serious drawback.