I used Gran Faust for about 3 weeks solid for JK and ultimately became frustrated with the speed. It especially became bothersome with JK himself and all that was going on. On the occasions when you do use the second attack instead of shielding right after the first, it leaves you open for a substantial time before shields are able to resume.

I moved to a Very High vs Slime Acheron and thoroughly enjoy the change. Not only do I have a much higher survivability rate, but I also find myself killing quicker.

I use the Virulisk set for increased jelly dmg (and overall sweet looks), results may be different with vog speed increase, but I can't see much.

The benefits of the Gran Faust is namely curse & when you manage to curse yourself you have 43 seconds of uselessness which can be devastating in JK etc.

With Acheron, I've found the charge esp helpful in JK lvl 16 on the bottom right room opening the corners, rarely do I get hit if you enter with the charge just after the larger jelly attacks.

(BigFootM - Perhaps instead of focusing on the quantity of your posts, you could dedicate yourself to improving the quality of them?)

All you have to do is roll Asi or use a piece/set of Vog Cub. Same with DA compared to glacius. More use DA

I love my acheron.. Charge attack is awesome what you talkin about>? I kite danger rooms and arena solo with the acheron and it does very well! Not only does the first swing cause knockback but the 2-3 explosions after also knock back and cause damage. I love watching a mender ride all three explosions putting him on the other side of the room dead!

I don't have faust though.. but i do have divine avenger which gets me hurt more than anything due to the 2nd attack leaving you open for what seems like an hour even with maxed out vog set.

To each their own but I take my acheron wherever I go!

Exactly. If you need a slime uv for a Acheron that's just lame.

The slime UV for Acheron is not required, the UV is representative of the effort & thought I've put into the choice.

(Don't troll BigFootM, you're not good at it.)

I don't have any of these swords... thought I will make them both.
(You will see where I'm going)

I have DA and I also have Glacius... (so we can say that they are pretty much alike)

Glacius is a great sword (Fast, good damage, good charged attack), but I use this sword as a 1 by 1 fight.
Divine Avenger is also a great sword (Good damage, great charged attack), and this sword comes more useful when you are fighting big mobs of creatures and to kick back enemies.

Both swords are great, they might not be Acheron nor GF, but I'm pretty sure they are very similar.

Each sword come helpful in a good moment, I believe GF is more useful with big mobs and bosses. Acheron for a fast 1 by 1 killing.

(Glacius is my 1st weapon slot, DA is my 3rd) - I preffer the fast 1 by 1 sword.

You bring an excellent point angel, and I myself thoroughly enjoy the DA in arenas / rooms requiring you to orbit around them and pick mobs off / use bombs etc.

GF would be excellent if it's charge was similar to the DA, but alas it's not. From Faust -> Gran Faust it maintains the single sword projectile (like the Avenger) though it's slightly larger in size (not terribly noticeable & I could be mistaken by it just being the more noticeable purple border surrounding the sword).

Thanks for bringing up the ridiculous charge time Volebamus, I'd forgotten about that.

i made a thread about this same issue a while ago, but i had a different response from the community, mostly "you noob, Faust does heaps of damage, and has knockback!!!11one!1"

firstly, although i am a faust user, i would like an archeron, but cant be bothered wasting CE now since the "lol-your-wallet-is-mine" update which mangled the crafting tables.

anyway, as it stands, the whole archeron combo does far more damage than the faust full combo does.
the archeron is faster, allowing for more mobility - something spirall knights revolves around
the only thing the faust has going for it, is a somewhat average knockback, which sometimes doesnt knock jellies back far enough, and they end up hitting you, and its curse - which goes both ways on the charge, and is entirelly unreliable, even when you try killl yourself to give people heat (24 charges before i got cursed at one point. but always first go in combat. sigh)

i really believe the faust needs a revamp - more damage to at least be on par with the archeron, as it IS a large sword, and has a tiny combo.

that being said, if you already have a faust, you can do perfectly fine with it in jelly runs (most jellies'll die in one combo anyway), but if youre stuck choosing, go archeron, like everyone above says: its faster, easier to move with, and makes chasing down gremlins that much easier...

Disagree, Acheron deals more damage per second, and also in its full combo:

wiki.spiralknights.com/Gran_Faust
wiki.spiralknights.com/Acheron

One of my guild mates posted this video using an Acheron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhafsvcau2Q&feature=player_embedded

I'm not a sealed sword fan. I'm not a fan of the GF/DA. It's slow. I will say DA is waaay more useful than GF in T3 and maybe worth getting for FSC but as for jelly? Acheron. Most definitely. It's fast. You get more swings in coupled with high damage, and not chance of damage to you or a team mate. There is a lower chance of interrupted attacks. I hate when I'm mid swing with my avenger and I get attacked. On top of all that, throwing up a shield right after using a seal sword is much slower than the other weapons I have used.

Gran faust a VERY frustrating weapon. Yeah, you level it out completely you get a speed increase, then if you get lucky and roll a CTR and speed in increase or whatever... MAYBE it will be useful. But by far go acheron. You'll be less frustrated later on. Then if you get curious and want to try out a gran faust by all means go ahead but I would go with the acheron in the beginning.

They're both good. I run a Faust just due to the fact that i own a levi and find the curse to be helpful. Really, if u get used to it, the Faust line is better overall assuming u can abuse its wide spread, hitting up to 4 slime a single swing. That combined with the 2nd hit delay exploit makes the faust line abusive. As long as u use more than 1 sword per 2 wep slots, cursing urself is fine, long as the other sword isnt say DA xD. personally, i dont do solo runs so even being cursed is fine. The curse makes up for the dmg anyway. In anycase, I run the faust for gremlin strats for mats. Like stated, dont bother with the charge for the faust for anyone but RJ, maybe VD but never seen that happen, so there must be a reason. Anyway its just preference, acheron is more versatile initially. It's mainly based on play style.

On a side note, my 2 vog pieces combined ASI aint too noticable, especially on the Sealed Sword lines. But im sure its still life or death to me in FSC :P

Divine set with GF? or vog set with archeron?

Both seem to have their merits, depends on play style. I like shield bashing everything so lol

You want a shadow sword? go GF... no comparison, though you will need to combine it with an ASI (can now get MAX ASI without UV's thanks to the new module trinkets :D )

Using a heavy sword, provided you have at least an ounce of skill (for those Americans thats about 30g :P ) you will scarcely get hit, time your attacks and crowds of jellies will bounce back up to you just in time to get owned by the second swing, the curse is just an added bonus :D

I don't get why people hate the charge attack.... provided you aren't dumb enough to take a piercing weapon to jelly palace it will always leave you with at least one useable weapon :D

^ now thats fair enough :P Just hate people complaining its useless because of the curse thing

Swing shield, swing shield? what is this? if you're gonna take in a heavy blade at least take some cojones with you :p read the earlier post, good timing and you can use the second hit and still nothing will hit you :P It also attack-cancels enemies (even gun puppies :D )

I use Gran Faust for JK runs, and I swing/shield/swing. Mostly because I prefer a defensive fighting style. Play through T3 with that "have some cajones, rush in swinging" attitude, and you die. Better to fight safe and slow than to rush in and die. That said, I do not use GF for the King himself. I have Dread Venom Striker for that. I also don't use GF against the Lumbers on the run, I prefer Dread Venom Striker for them as well. Circle around them and let fly with a lot of damage very quickly, then shield.

I Use the Gran Faust cause it causes good knockback and more shadow damage i can effectively use it whenever. If you are getting hit on 2nd swing you dont understand a heavy sword yet and are relieing on shield canceling too much. I rarely use the charge only when a lot of mobs get close.

I prefer the GF over the Acheron

Really Guy's? STOP TRYING to prove which weapons are "Better" instead why not say what they bot HAVE and DON'T HAVE:

My General View of these swords although i have NEVER used Acheron the basic information lies here.
Faust: 2 hit sword and your pretty much never suppose to use charge UNLESS you have more than 2 weapons or else your pretty much boned does AWESOME damage or at least enough to make jelly killing a breeze also curses enemies on basic attack occasionally.
Acheron: 3 hit sword - does more damage than Faust because of that however lacks in knock-back which can be slightly risky due to jelly attacking Charging in your face. The charge attack is the basic brandish slash with the line of explosions don't know how much damage that does but it does probably enough damage.

I prefer Faust because of the knock-back and dislike being hit by lack of push-back but that's MY liking not yours.
you can choose what you want :D