Spiral Knights - Gremlin arena full of feinds? Fix it!

Gremlin arena full of feinds? Fix it!

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Sat, 08/13/2011 - 08:46

Orangeo

Can someone tell me why a normal-gremlin arena is full of feinds and zombies and rocket puppies? This makes absolutely no sense at all. The only thing they have in common with gremlins is that they lack a special status effect. I mean really, I played through the T2 part of that gate so I could replay that arena, since I consider gremlins short work for my faust, only to start the arena and realize my shadow weapon was useless due to the actuual lack of gremlins. Now I've played through that T2 for nothing.

I mean think about it. Greavers; ressist shadow, Devilmites; ressist shadow, Zombies; ressist shadow, Rocket puppies; neuteral to shadow. Faust=horrible there. Plus, who wouldve expected to be set on fire in a normal arena? Rocket puppies shouldnt have the fire effect if your gonna put them in a stun arena. It's common sense. Stun is not fire. Peircing and elemental are not shadow.

Plus, rocket turrets are impossible in groups without a blind spot. Having eight rocket puppies aimed at me isn't beatable with no fire ressist and a neuteral weapon.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:12

Lagretta

Lemme guess ... Wrench

Lemme guess ... Wrench Warfare ? WW was always a "All star mix".

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 11:46

Quasirandom

Why were you bringing a faust

Why were you bringing a faust to fight gremlins? That's way too slow to be effective against them. Even my acheron isn't fast enough to work very well against gremlins. The flourish line works much better, even though it does far less damage per hit.

Besides, you carry more than one weapon, don't you? Or at least if you don't, then you should make it normal damage so that it will work against everything.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 12:03

Orangeo

"Wrench Warfare ?" Yep. It is

"Wrench Warfare ?"
Yep. It is supposed to mean gremlin, but the arena likes to stuff a bunch of other things in there.

"Why were you bringing a faust to fight gremlins? That's way too slow to be effective against them."
Faust is great on gremlins. You just swing as they are walking towards you, and they get clubbed in the face. Plus, the charge is great on demo mobs.

"Besides, you carry more than one weapon, don't you?"
Yhea, but my freezing atomizer didn't helm much, since I need to constantly sheild the rockets. I am considering just resorting to normal weapons, since you can't actuualy prepare for gates, due to the fact that they never contain enough of the enemies they claim too.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 12:13

Quasirandom

And what are your other two

And what are your other two weapons? Surely you're not upgrading gear to four stars before you get to four weapons. Are you?

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 12:16

Orangeo

My other two weapons? Hah. I

My other two weapons? Hah. I think it's safe to say most people don't use four weapons. I think full four star and one one star love puppy trinket should be enough to clear the first depth of teir three.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 15:22

Lagretta

"Yep. It is supposed to mean

"Yep. It is supposed to mean gremlin, but the arena likes to stuff a bunch of other things in there."

Where did you read that ? Or just cause its Orange ? Orange is also Retrode.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 15:43

Orangeo

Wrench warfare. Gremlins are

Wrench warfare. Gremlins are builders. Builders use wrenches. Plus, check the wiki. The color of the sheild pretains to the monster famialy. Pink is slime, pale blue is undead, deep blue is feind, brownish grey is construct (includes your retrodes), yellow is beast, therefore orange has to be the only one left; gremlin.

Look at this; http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Arena

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 16:15

Lagretta

Yaya i know that, but Wrench

Yaya i know that, but Wrench was always a mix of all and YES Retrode is also Orange, check the wheels. There is orange one and thats Mecha too.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 00:48

Shrinkshootr

I don't necessarily mind

I don't necessarily mind having fiends in a "gremlin" arena, which actually has everything in it; but I do agree with the basic idea of the topic.

This arena is a lot about luck regarding its difficulty. I've breezed through it twice so far without dying, but there are some monster compositions that are stupidly overpowered and you can get incredibly screwed over by simply being unlucky.

For example, the first room on one occasion had a first wave of Hurkats, devilites, and menders. Now, I have all skelly gear (shadow resistance) a glacius with UV undead (great for the Kats) and a flourish (good against devilities). You'd think this would have been a breeze. It wasn't. The devilites and kats attacked so quickly in rapid succession that they left virtually NO OPENINGS in which to attack them; and when I did have one and took it, I could only manage a single hit before having to shield again. If I risked a second swing I would have been hit for certain. However, the two menders almost insantly healed any damage that the fiends and kats took, and remained in the center of the arena, so that even had I wanted to approach them, I was in perfect line of fire from every single enemy on the field.

I got killed, revived, got killed again, and had to leave and restart. Next time I got rocket puppies in every room, which wasn't quite as bad, but still pretty terrible. Not totally impossible to manage, though. On a solo mission, I am convinced that what I went through above was nigh impossible for anyone to survive, regardless of gear and skill. I got unlucky, sure, but that shouldn't matter. Nothing should be impossible to do. It also doesn't help that this was fresh off the bench from Haven; no health caps, no vials, no vitapods, nothing.

All the devs need to do is, at some point, try to sit down and think of what monsters should never spawn with other ones, and incorporate an exclusion code into the game. If it were fiends and kats with no menders, fine. If it were wolvers and demos with menders, fine too. But fiends and kats with menders together is just insanity.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 09:48

#10

Volebamus

DrLequack, you are doing many

DrLequack, you are doing many things wrong:

1) If you made more than 3 rocket puppies aimed at you, you're playing wrong. You should only attempt to wake and dispose of them one by one. Even if there are multiple rocket puppies aimed at your head, other rocket puppies' rockets can kill the others, and make short work offing them one by one.

2) You are using Faust, and I see you're implying that you are at 4* equips all around. Faust is apparently your main weapon, which in it of itself is a horrible choice without speed increase. The common way to get that speed increase? Vog Cub set, two 5* equips.

3) Unless you are comfortable in a half-support position in teams (or just being plain inefficient soloing, which seems to be implied if 8 rocket puppies were targetting you), having a freeze bomb as your only other weapon is a poor choice, especially when you're using a specialized weapon as your main. You did have the right idea just going with normal as your main if you really want to use that freeze bomb (Ascended Calibur is a good target). Or you can drop your bomb and complement your (really slow) shadow sword with a fast elemental or piercing weapon.

4) Most people don't use four weapons, but I think you can see now where 2 slots is lacking. Just even having a 3rd slot fill out your gaping weakness if you choose to stick with a slow shadow sword and freezing bomb helps you avoid doing weakened, such as (like previously mentioned) an elemental or piercing fast sword.

5) The 1* love puppy trinket SHOULD NOT be advocated. Not only could that temporary trinket slot been much better used to mostly pay for another weapon slot, even using the tiny boost from just TWO heart slots will help you in a very poor way in terms of the cost you spent buying that temporary trinket slot and the cost to even buy that heart pendant (though if you got it randomly from a drop, don't bother using it and just go for a 3rd weapon slot like mentioned before).

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I really suggest looking towards the previously mentioned tips before making a topic such as this. This is because following most of those (which is really what seasoned players should be striving towards) would have made your situation so much better than you wouldn't even have had the complaints you have, and would've avoided the problems you outlined in this topic in the first place.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 09:51

#11

Odenmaru

"1) If you made more than 3

"1) If you made more than 3 rocket puppies aimed at you, you're playing wrong. You should only attempt to wake and dispose of them one by one. Even if there are multiple rocket puppies aimed at your head, other rocket puppies' rockets can kill the others, and make short work offing them one by one."

And here I thought people played their own way, and that there wasn't one complete way to play, guess I was completely wrong.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:13

#12

Volebamus

...My whole tone was

...My whole tone was basically a "learn2play", but with actual advice.

People can play their own way, but then complain too often when they've done a horrible job? Additionally, the phrase in it of itself is an exaggeration, obviously. No need to nitpick if the advice is actually helpful, come on.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:32

#13

Odenmaru

@Volbamus Too many people on

@Volbamus

Too many people on these forums use a tone that's "learn2play", why can't they just help people without acting like they're stupid if they don't know or can't handle something?

If they complain when they've done a "horrible job" at something then all they need to do is get better at what they're doing horribly. And also, he/she wasn't asking for any type of advice in the first place, he/she sounded like he/she wants an Arena that's purely Gremlins, and not any type of advice.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 10:33

#14

Quasirandom

"And here I thought people

"And here I thought people played their own way, and that there wasn't one complete way to play, guess I was completely wrong."

There are a lot of different ways to play, but they're not all equivalent. Some will work, and others will get you killed. A good player figures out what works and then plays that way. A bad player first chooses how he wants to play, and then demands that the game be changed to make that approach work.

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