Spiral Knights - Latancy issues, massive advantages.

Latancy issues, massive advantages.

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Tue, 09/13/2011 - 21:10

mattress97

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After a couple of hours testing, I can say I love lockdown... Most of the time anyway.

Unfortunatly, due to playing from the UK/europe if your playing against someone from the usa they get a huge (no really its massive) advantage. It makes them much harder to hit, while making it easier for them to hit you. Some matches it is almost impossible to tell where they actually are and all of a sudden you get hit even though on our screen they are neither anywhere near us or swinging their sword. while they are hitting us from miles away we have to be so close to them that irl it would be considered [unsportsmanlike].

While this issue is less of a problem as kills arnt being tracked as such and doesnt stop you from winning if you just concerntrate on captures, it is very annoying.

Is there no chance that we could get a european PVP server or even p2p connections for pvp would be better. As it is I cant see myself playing any pvp, and that might be the final nail in the coffin for me. I can put up with latancy issues in the PvE i just have to take my time, but the issue is doubled in pvp.

I just fear this is going the same way a blast network, Ill play it once or twice before giving it up forever.

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 00:33

Apologetic

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Latency/Ping is a big problem

Latency/Ping is a big problem for me, too. I'm from Australia, so I get a higher ping than most people, being so far away from the server and all. It makes Blast Network completely unplayable, and Lockdown extremely frustrating at times -- Striker is impossible to play.

I understand this is just a TEST server, but I've seen the same problem (only worse) with Blast Network.

So, I beg you, OOO. Please, PLEASE try to optimize PvP modes for players with higher ping.

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 01:25

Silent-Echoes

They need European servers

They need European servers for PvE and PvP. The fact there's only US servers for a game avaliable worldwide in 2011 is ridiculous to begin with, but now that the game's been out for several months and the playerbase has passed the million mark it's flat out ludicrous. At the very least European PvP servers would suffice, given the latency issue is exemplified in PvP.

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 04:37

Chris

If the latency really effects

If the latency really effects you that much you should stop playing and save yourself the raging :P
There are plenty of other great games that have european and australian servers.

My best suggestsion is to rally a ton of support in a thread in the suggestions sub forum and see if you can get enough people to get behind "we will spend money on spiral knights only when european or etc. servers are added"

It's very hard to change OOO, so if they are screwing you I advise you to not pay them for doing so and maybe they will get the hint.

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 05:42

Apologetic

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killaizsik, I have spent

killaizsik, I have spent hundreds of dollars on this game. I actually LIKE it, so I'm not just going to stop playing. Also, I'm not raging - I'm pointing out an issue, and this is a big issue for a lot of people. Don't you think the devs should know about it? Spiral Knights is available worldwide and OOO need to start thinking seriously about that.

I've no idea why you reacted so negatively, by the way. ...You trollin'?

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 05:54

Tom-Awsm

+1 to everything said here

+1 to everything said here (except killaizsik's post). I also predict that the lag present in the test servers will get more pronounced once Lockdown is live.

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 05:57

Chris

I have also spent hundreds of

I have also spent hundreds of dollars on this game because I love it, I never said you were raging, and I do think this issue should be fixed.

I simply said to avoid raging, which often happens when there is an excess of latency problems, you could just not play. And if it is a big enough deal for you to post this here, it seems like it would be a big enough deal to make you stop playing.

One problem I was trying to address was OOO rarely listening to their players and just doing what nets them the most money.
Servers are very expensive, which is why we have so many lag problems even in the US, because OOO wont upgrade the damn things.

This is not the place to post an issue about server lag, this is simply for feedback about test server exclusive things.
As lag is equal on and off the test server, that does not belong here.

A game being available worldwide doesn't mean they have to have servers for every part of the world. Would you rather OOO make the game unavailable to people in australia or europe? I doubt it.

All you can do now it post in the proper place, e-mail or mail OOO about your problems, and gather tons of other people in support.

Not trollin.

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 09:10

mattress97

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I think youll find it does

I think youll find it does belong here, as its my feedback about PvP, Which is kinda the point isnt it? Im not raging its just very dissapointed that a game mode which is so fun is ruined for alot of us.

If this feedback is never given to OOO then they dont know its an issue and they cant fix what they dont know is broken.

The amount of times I was killed unfairly in situations where I had the upperhand was crazy. And rubber banding back to a floor pannel that then kills you is a nightmare. On top of this sometimes the latancy makes it possible for a recon class to attack while they are still invisible on my screen, which is just impossible to defend.

I would ask a direct question to Nick, Have any new servers been discussed at OOO, if so are there any plans either way, if not are they likly to discuss it? I would love an answer, as it will let me know if thers much point me playing anymore.

thanks in advance.

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 12:54

Brychan

I also experienced latency

I also experienced latency issues whilst playing from the UK and it would be fantastic to have some servers dotted about the globe for PVP.

I used to play UT99 back in the day and was lucky enough to go to a university where they had a serious connection, when most were still on 56k / ISDN. The advantage I had was crazy and consequently PR'd people

It would be nice to have some way of seeing the current connection stats also, for those that care :`)

Thanks for all the hard work with LD, it is very fun!

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 13:13

Jalok

There should be dedicated

There should be dedicated servers...just saying.

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 16:42

#10

mattress97

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Lol Matoro, if thats an

Lol Matoro, if thats an attempt a trolling kudos, if not then u should read up on servers ;)

I agree if theres is going to be no servers other than the current one, then could we please have some sort of way to see ours pings and the pings of others so i can try and avoid playing with the idoits playing with a ping of 5ms thinking they are the bees knees when playing agains people like use whos pings are probably in the 500's ms full circle including computing timings.

Also is it possible to add people to a block list so we dont get put in the same game with them again?

Though I guess OOO will just let the thread die as they have responded elsewhere and ignored it so far :( makes me a sad panda

Wed, 09/14/2011 - 17:24

#11

Rage-Knight

Ukraine, Europe here. Same

Ukraine, Europe here. Same thing - I love how it looks and hate it when someone from USA joins. They're literary invincible (can't hit them - I swing and nothing happens, they swing half a kilometer away and I fall) and completely unpredictable.
European server for PvP only should at least lower my latency to an extent I can tell weather I'm hitting something or not. I'm fine with having to create a new knight without my items, will give me a reason to re-earn all of my stuff.

Next: damage. How the hell is it calculated? Some guys do a guaranteed 1 swing kills. 1 swing. ONE. I watched it several times. Not even a charged attack. Acheron. Sure, I didn't have any shadow damage protection, but 1 hit?

Currently its pretty interesting for as long as they don't have any US players. One US player and we lose with the game being unplayable.

Thu, 09/15/2011 - 02:16

#12

Apologetic

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I'd like to see what the devs

I'd like to see what the devs have to say about this, if possible.

Thu, 09/15/2011 - 15:25

#13

Rage-Knight

@Apologetic Nothing? "There

@Apologetic
Nothing? "There are no plans at the moment for more servers" is all I ever found on the topic. They are here to make money, not make you experience a good game.

Funny fact: there is over a million accounts registered in Spiral Knights but under 1000 players played lockdown on day 1 (600-700 is the most I saw - right after it started). Now its around 500.
Another funny fact: there are about 10 thousand players actively playing (at least once) in bomberman pvp game. Rough estimate based on my rank - playing one game puts me on 5000 something position. I'd make a rough estimate (not based on any hard evidence) that currently there is under 100k active players in Spiral Knights, with over a million registered knights. Basically, not many people stay after playing around for a bit. Though this is just an assumption :)

I played around a bit today and its fun but some things are kind of weird to me.
Faust - 1 swing kills.
You lose your whole invisibility charge if you're hit while being invisible.
Pulsar rules - just spam over an area and it always hits.
Shivermist rules if you aren't protected against it.
Lags... or more precisely: US-based players have a huge advantage over those from other parts of the world. My main concern is: nobody nowhere warns about it, although EVERYONE knows about it. I think OOO should warn players before they connect from outside of US (or based on ping) that they may experience... difficulty playing against US-based players. The main problem being unable to avoid being hit - you run away, they hit you where you were half an hour ago and you still die.

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