Agreed on the auto-target. The penalty for rage quitting is also a good suggestion. good post :)

dwyrin - they can just shoot you, surely?

Guns are too weak in Lockdown. They should get a damage bonus from the recon shield, just like swords get a damage bonus from the striker shield. The attack speed bonus guns get from recon hardly makes a difference.

If you agree, I made a thread about it in Suggestions, go support it.

while it IS incredibly frustrating, I'm not in favor of the 10 minute rule. Sometimes people have computer crashes, I had them twice today (SK eats up memory sometimes), didn't happen IN lockdown but it could have. A 10 minute ban would kind of suck lol. And I'm sure sometimes people have RL things to attend to that interrupt such as parents or whatever. Don't get me wrong, it REAAAALLY sucks, but I don't want to place limits on people unless they were like AFK or something lol.

I probably would like to lose autotarget though. I think it wasn't in the beta version of lockdown but they later added it so I'm not sure that its going anywhere.

You are prolly a gunner who just spams Pulsars so yeah, haha, you don't really need autotarget for that. I didn't expect you to understand so yeah, it's okay.

Okay, so you spam with Sentenza, good for you.

Oh and joozek is right, removing autotarget would take us gunners down from weak to basically useless.

If someone is swinging their sword at you, auto-lock or not, they are limited in their movement for that time. Use that chance to kite. They are not like the Retrodes that will circle instantly to hit you. If auto-lock is an issue, play Striker and dash away. I've seen it used successfully before, and I've used it successfully before. Also, auto-lock does NOT guarantee a hit. I've started a combo with Barbarous Thorn Blade before, using auto-lock, only to have the player kite out of the way and hit me in the side. Complaining about people using auto-target is exactly the same as people complaining about the rocket launcher in various FPS games. Yes, it's good. That's why we use it. If you choose to not use a powerful weapon, that's your decision, but I'm not about to chop off my left hand because it writes too well. Use it, or find a counter for it.

Changing topics... guns are underpowered in terms of damage, but the ability to hit a player who is charging a weapon, from a distance, is invaluable. Use the gun as a support weapon, to stop bombers and Leviathan Blade charge spammers, and then dash in with your sword to finish them off.

ITT: Noob slingers who see a swordsman attacking you and stands still

You realize that for gunners, the act of attacking slows you down, where as many swords grant a short dash move?

I'm going to go ahead and volunteer that I'm in all vog with a divine avenger and medium charge time reduction on my shivermist buster. On most maps i can 'lockdown' a node because you can't come at me without going through the freeze and getting hurt or stopped in your tracks. the choke point is just so small... Maybe there's an easy counter to that but right now it feels too easy to do. Best counter is to come at me with multiple people behind a tank but that means my team can capture stuff elsewhere while the node i'm on is being fought for.

This is the greatest argument for a buff to Gun RANGE I've ever heard. Argent Peacemaker actually lost range when Ironclaw Munitions came out. Maybe that's what Recon should do. Shivermist Busters area of effect is tremendous. That's great. Bombs are high risk/reward weapons, and the temptation may be to increase charge time, but that would break them. The problem here is the absence of viable counters.

auto target is such a game breaker just playing with a sword you can just spam the attack bottom and charge attack flying around the screen and ur auto lock on player one hit kill them nice isent it.
i also agree that gun's once again have been make totally redundant to weak, sword 2 hit ur dead gun more like 10 that's fair!
and not forgetting the lack of bonus from the recon shield apart from cloaking which once again is made redundant with auto lock-on sward spam!

Is Autotarget really to blame here? It's getting a lot of heat because it does make aiming melee weapons marginally easier, but I really don't have a problem with melee weapons being easy to use.

I think the problem is more like "How do I counter a flying buzzsaw made from the souls of the cursed?" If Strikers boost could be broken with a single gunshot, then maybe gunners wouldn't feel so helpless. It would mean we could kite a little more reliably (or, you know, at all).

Yes gunners can pick up striker and try to match melee characters in their own game. When it works it's great, but the amount of skill that takes is inproportionate. If you mess up once, you're slain. Also, between the time it takes to shoot someone to death and speed of two strikers, this process can take up a quarter of the map on a good day. That's lost ground, and time.

I've played gunners my entire time here. I'm the Guild Leader of Starship Troopers, and I pride myself on my gun use. Lockdown has convinced me to start working towards a Gran Faust. There simply isn't adequate incentive for me to use DA, Sentenza, Polaris, et cetera when even in a support role all it takes is one ambitious Striker to go for my cash and prizes.

People are dropping the 5-star shock bomb from roarmulus on the capture points, making everyone who even attempts to get near them immobile and easy pickings.

Very irksome.

sword > guns > bombs.

gotta love gunners trying to shoot me down while im flying around and behind them with a sword.

i picked off lots of bomb spammers with just a blitz. and guardians pretty much break their cute little area denial spams.

autotarget off, i'll agree.

Are you sure you're not just in a T3 match yourself? Your PvP tier is equal to the highest PvP tier loadout you have, *even if you're not wearing that loadout*. I know I tried to run a T3 match wearing Dusker. Man, that didn't end well for me.

Autotarget doesn't need removing, it just needs the range at which it targets limiting and there should be a delay when a recon user comes out of a cloak where autotarget still won't lock onto them for an additional 3 seconds or so, that way they aren't instantly homed in on when they uncloak.

Unfortunately that was not the case. I did the T3 Lockdown on my first try (without knowing), and I got creamed. So I switched to T2. I double-checked EVERY time to make sure I was going to the T2 level. And most everyone else had T2 stuff as well - stuff like dusker caps and strikers. It was just a few players that could sneak in T3 weapons or armor.

Thankfully I haven't seen this "glitch" in the few games I've played today. Hopefully it will not come up again.

@pyre_light yeah, there's a thread about it in the bug reports forum, and I've done an F2 report in game.

Yesterday night I was playing lockdown and I FINALLY decided to equip my avenger. I always see those guys with DA's and GF's one shotting everyone but I thought that they might super leet. But then once i did equip my 4* avenger, I too was getting one hit kills. That right there made me realize the balance is simply broken. I was getting top damage scores which were right up there with the DA and GF users. But yet, when I used my levi, I wouldn't even do 50% of what they were doing.

Couple that with rocket boosters of the striker and it just didn't make sense at all. It would like in a FPS if they made a shotgun with the scope of a sniper rifle and then they still gave the user increased speed by 5x when moving.

So now, i've been putting together my t2 gear as this seems to have less of one shotting and more of actual TACTICS and teamwork that lockdown is supposed ot require. In t2 you actually stay with a guardian and you have time to retreat or kite around an enemy like it should be done. One has a slow sword and one has a really fast sword? In t2 it matters. Now, i just have to craft my shockburst :D

Not just because of recons appearing and getting insta-snuffed but because of the tendancy to charge up to the enemy and just rappidly hit the attack button... it removes all skill from the striker class. It should be about getting skillful and acccurate hits instead of charging straght up to someone with a piercing sword and spamming the attack till someone dies :/

PvP should be about skill more than luck. Skill = aiming and timing. Luck = who hits the other first if both players spam attack button.

Get rid of auto-target from PvP, it would make it so much better :)

I don't understand why they put autotarget in in the first place, that just goes without saying, and the idea for rage quitters was pretty good, +1. Plus, heavy swords need to quit hitting me even if I'm on the side of my opponent. I'll be completely invisible, but if a sheild guy decides to help me out, someone slugs a gran faust at him, and It'll hit me as well. The other problem with recon is that you get way more of the "element of surprise" if you're a striker. As a striker, you can just come up from the bottom of the screen before it actuualy renders in someones brain, like a slag guard. But as a recon, the enemy get's a nice warning that they are about to die, and will randomly swing their 90 degree sword back and fourth throughout your recon range, hitting you at least once. Last but not least are statuses. For some reason, a sklover can walk right through a shivermist (fair enough), but anything that had a full weakness to ice would be treated almost the same as someone with neuteral defense to ice. No defense or weakness means that I shouldn't get immediately frozen. Then there's charging things. If you get hit once, you lose the complete charge. So antiguas kill bombers completely. Would be fairer if getting hit uncharged you a littile bit. Last but not least, take out the rule that says your gear has to be in a loadout to be equiped mid-battle. I just make inf loadouts anyway and play.

How about nerf all weapon damage by 10-30% in PvP so at least it requires 4 hits to kill with a DA/GF/ 5 for BTB, and I say this while having those weapon.

And perhaps raise HP by a couple of points wouldn't hurt.

Ever notice that how if someone auto locks you, you know what direction they're going? Oh wait, apparently you haven't noticed that. You can just keep on attacking them like usual

The loadouts rule is there so that you can't pull out your DA while playing with those cute guys carrying slime slashers.

I'm kinda torn about the quitters thing, on the one hand a bombhead mask came up once and we had two people drop out from our team within a minute (utter raeg) but otoh I can kinda understand if something important comes up.. though in that case I would have thought you could at least go AFK and come back in a min (better than just disappearing)

Guns are mainly used as harrasing weapons, or status support for your sword swinging buddies (shock and freeze are real killers). For them to start doing actual serious damage would just make them OP and the cycle would begin anew.

I'm not terribly fussed by the high damage- it keeps you on your toes and forces you to be strategic instead of just charging in. What I AM annoyed at however is the ridiculous spawn time. 20 sec once. it's like some conspiracy to get us to spend even more CE ~_~