Should be better crafting an item or buying it at Auction house?
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 02:03
Hello!
I have been playing Spiral Knights for 2 weeks, and i found it challenging.
I was comparing prizes of the auction house with all the work that you put into the recipe...
For example:
- Buying an Divine Avenger at the Auction House costs 500-700K approx.
- And making it costs (approx) 340K & 800E
- Avenger 300k
Light Shard 1k
Ecto drop 0.5k
Swordstone 0.4k
Redwood 1k
Miracloth 0.6k
Sun silver 5k
Recipe 25k
Alchemy 5k & 800 E
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340K & 800 E (energy is constantly increasing so i decided just putting the amount)
*(the cost of each material was taken from the auction house)
**(those costs of the materials were rounded according to all offers) - Avenger 300k
There is a difference or not?
What do you think?
PD: the item to be transmuted with the recipe, also may have been previously calculated, but in this case I just want to give an example.
PD2: I couldn't compare any other item 'cause i've to sleep xD
PD3:Sorry of my english, I do my best effort (A).
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 03:51
#2
You also need to factor in
You also need to factor in the energy spent collecting the jelly gems, including the occasions where your party is defeated. :)
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 03:52
#3
The exception
The exception is 0-2 star items, where the energy cost is covered by mist energy of the crafter.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 04:43
#4
Zelda
what the HECK
why BUY a 300k avenger instead of making it
u can use tokens for expensive materials
"You also need to factor in the energy spent collecting the jelly gems, including the occasions where your party is defeated. :)"
yea and all the loads of profit u make eventually even using mist energy only, which is free
crafting should cost 1.2k CE + recipe costs and thats IT.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 05:01
#5
the exception (again)
WindOwl mentioned that 0-2-star items can be cheaper to buy than to craft. I'd also add 3-star items to the list. They can be crafted without equipping them, so there is no unbinding cost. The crafting cost is
* craft 2-star from nothing: 50 energy + 400 crowns + 1,000 crowns for recipe + materials
* craft 3-star from 2-star: 200 energy + 1,000 crowns + 4,000 crowns for recipe + materials
which sum to 6,400 crowns + 250 energy + materials. If energy costs are 6000 crowns per 100 CE (recently they're been cheaper, but often they're at least that) then we're talking 21,400 crowns + materials. You can often find them on the AH for cheaper than that --- say, 16,000-20,000. Of course, the calculation changes a bit, if you know someone with the recipes, or if energy prices diverge significantly from 6,000.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 06:27
#6
Whether it is better to buy
Whether it is better to buy 4* and 5* items from the AH rather than craft them depends a HUGE amount on how much you value your time. If you have a nice job that pays $100/hr, by all means, buy whatever you want from the AH, you will easily save over an hour of boring grinding and can go off and have fun. If you are a broke kid that can't even imagine making that kind of money, craft as much as you can.
The time vs money trade off is easiest seen in recipes. The OP listed 25k for the recipe, but that assumes you find it at Basil. Personally, I have bought the vast majority of the recipes I've used/learned off of the AH since it can take many trips to basil to find the one you want, and some recipes are only at Basils you don't visit. (No T3 clearance? then no 5* recipes. T3 clearance? then no 2*/3* recipes.) On the other hand, I've probably bought and resold on the AH ten times as many recipes as I've actually learned. Buying one or two recipes that you don't need in order to pay for the recipe that you do need is a huge time saver.
Similar things for materials that you need to craft. The mats on the AH are cheap, trying to find a particular mat in the clockworks can take ages. Sure, you can use tokens/gems to buy mats from Brinks, but those are probably much better used buying high-end defense/status trinkets instead of expensive UVs to fill in the weak spots in your armor.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 12:25
#7
"if you are a broke kid..."
Wrs1864 writes, "If you are a broke kid that can't even imagine making that kind of money, craft as much as you can." I just wanted to emphasize that s/he is talking about 4- and 5-star gear (I hope). For 2- and 3-star gear, buying is often cheaper than crafting.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 12:31
#8
True richard, but you also
True richard, but you also need to factor in the crowns/materials you find running JK for tokens. Typically you'll make more CE then you spend based on crown profit alone, which can go towards crafting.
And yes, TC, make your own stuff. Far cheaper, far more satisfying.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 19:45
#9
Ok not to be rude...
Yes everyone here is right.
....but i find it REALLY annoying that people keep asking this question in game when me and my guildies already told them twice.
CRAFT 4*-5*
DO WHATEVER WITH 3*-1*
I can't tell you how many times....
But if it costs...
For example on a Divine Avenger:
1200ce to craft (4-5*) + materials etc.
then why would you buy this:
1200ce to craft (4-5*) + materials etc. + 4000ce EXTRA THAT YOU PAY IN CR INSTEAD OF CRAFTING
ok not exactly 4kce total price but you get the point. You're paying more than its worth.
That would only make sense if
1. You won't EVER have time to grind that much
2. If its a token item that you dont wanna get tokens for a.k.a Sealed sword, Antigua, Pulsar, Catalyzer, FoV, CoA etc.
ok i get it if new recruits are asking but even 4* people have asked me .__.
lolwut
/endrage
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 20:07
#10
Crafting is almost always
Crafting is almost always better at 4* and 5*. It may or may not be worth it at 3* (usually not if you factor in recipe price), and it's almost never worth it at 2*.
Another bonus to crafting that I haven't seen mentioned is that you get a chance at UVs.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 20:20
#11
Yeah have fun crafting that
Yeah have fun crafting that perfectly UV'd DA/GF you want in one try. As rates are looking, you only need to try 10 times before you get one random UV.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 20:39
#12
What Dark Ritual?
Bigfootm goes and crafts a DA and ends up with CTR VH, ASI VH, and Undead VH.
Sheapy cries pitifully.
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Yeah, buy the 0-2* items. Craft the rest on your own. If you can find a cheap 3* item, buy it.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 21:07
#13
?
I don't see how people can say you pay more than an item is worth to buy it. True you pay more than it would cost you to make it, but that's a different issue entirely. But you have to realize that there is some benefit to playing the game how you want to play it, and some benefit to spending your time playing with the items that you want. If you have no desire to spend a lot of time grinding out heat, then by all means buy the weapon at the market rate, and be happy about the wonderful deal that you got. I'm surprised more people don't value their time more than their crowns. O.o
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 21:38
#14
I don't begrudge people who'd
I don't begrudge people who'd rather spend $5 in CE to buy some gear off someone than spend all their nights and weekends grinding for it. Some people have busy lives.
However, when I'm putting my crowns down, I buy 3* and lower in the AH, and craft up to 4 and 5 (though I haven't crafted any 5* gear yet. Just a few tokens away from a voltedge recipe thanks to lockdown!). The obvious exception is the boss token weapons that start out at 2*.
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 22:24
#15
@jeburk
They probably refer to the people with good paying hourly jobs who are unlikely to be hardcore players and even less likely to be hardcore enough to frequent these forums. These people can probably afford to "buy" a premade DA/GF with some UV's using their $$$ which they just exchanged for some CE.
Naturally, people posting in these forums (like me) value crowns and CE more than time. :D
Dom, 09/18/2011 - 23:22
#16
Well, I don't value crowns as
Well, I don't value crowns as much as CE, per se, simply because I already have all the gear I'll ever want. And I don't buy 5* recipes from Basil just to sell on the market (I consider it a waste of time and effort).
But I understand your point. Even though I've bought the starter/battle packs and have some CE to my name, I don't squander it like most other players would. I don't waste it on unnecessary revives, energy gates, or danger rooms that I know I can't handle (especially with a scrub party). In that manner, CE that would have otherwise been unwisely spent gets saved to spend another day, and my total slowly but steadily increases. In one day, avoiding revives and unwise spendatures, I was able to earn 1000CE in crowns alone (running FSC, of course), not even factoring minerals, tokens, or materials.
Lun, 09/19/2011 - 13:06
#17
Okay as i said if you dont
Okay as i said if you dont have the time to grind then buy the weapon. If you do have the time then its much better to just craft it since you gain all that cr and heat in addition to heating up the weapon and then crafting it.
Profit
If you can payout real money to pay for it then go ahead. Maybe you see it as the worth of the item. Maybe you dont.
But If some people do not have 100$/h paying job then they should craft it. Thats half the challenge of the game.
I guess just do what you want and learn from it. Wether buying a 5* is better or not is for your decision and not to be based off of " OMG I GOT ONE FOR 200kcr with CTR VH ASI VH and DMG vs EVERYTHING VH OMG!!!"
yea...not on one deal.
Lun, 09/19/2011 - 22:01
#18
Craft
Directly looking at it, it's cheaper.
Nyweis, if you're lucky you could get a sweet UV on it. Little bro took his chances making a Striker, and got 2 UVs attached.
I ALWAYS craft.
Lun, 09/19/2011 - 23:44
#19
Sweet UVs can be bought after
Sweet UVs can be bought after the fact. If you can start with a 3* and a decent UV, do it. Heck, start with a 2* if you can. Good bombs come from small beginnings.
As far as the DA/GF, just build it and buy UVs later. Jelly Castle is a fun run, and it still pays really high. If you dedicate a certain amount of ME, and keep track of your cr expenditures, you'll probably find that the Sealed Swords are some of the cheapest elite weapons to build. 100ME in a good team will get you through JK. You'll also earn 6.5 to 7.5k. You'll also be getting mats to sell or use. By the time you build up 20 coins (and I got both of my sealed swords and antiguas when they were 30), you won't be all that far in the hole.
if you earn what...8K from all of T2? that's 100CE and change. You'll get probably 3 tokens. 7 runs will net you enough to get a sealed sword. You'll also have earned 56K, give or take. That's 1100CE and change.
We're talking about 2 hrs a day for a week, and you have a Sealed Sword, 1100CE, a bucketload of mats, and the possibility of finding an Avenger recipe at T13.
THen, you get 2 more craftings on it, so 2 more UV rolls. After that, they're 20K a pop.
I'm trying to get a Blackened Crest and a FOV the hard way, and I suck at FSC. I'm literally building a new pile of 5* stuff just to do the run to get a couple of items. That's part of the fun; I'd have never EVER built an autogun if I didn't want to shoot Vanaduke in the butt with it. Nor the bombing rig and the half-dozen bombs, the divine gear...meh.
Mar, 09/20/2011 - 02:02
#20
you miscalculated
for a divine avenger all you need is 1 sun silver 1kce 35k (recipie) and 5k in all it adds up to 84k as long as you do the jelly run instead of being lazy and use your mist (it saves about 11k) and the mats are extremely easy ti find so you tell us would you rather pay 84k or 500-700k and btw the only weapon worth buying from the AH is the FoV cause its still a hard to get useful weapon and buy all you 2* equipment from tyhe Ah you save like 2-3k by doing so
Mar, 09/20/2011 - 05:46
#21
You don't have to make
You don't have to make $100/hr to justify spending 5 bucks on a game lol
I make only 12.50 an hour and easily spend 150 a month on games, dlc, and gaming equipment (and netflix lol)
I don't blow my budget on it, but I do decide which games I want to put my money towards. If I wanted to drop even 100 dollars on ce to get some uber uv'd item that I really want I could do it. It would mean I wouldn't have that money for other things, but I could afford it.
Not 100/hour, just 12.50 ^_~
I also imagine some ppl who make less than me spend more than I do because they have fewer bills or fewer other interests as well. I'm not feeling a hate vibe from this thread, so I mean no one any offense, but don't hate on the ppl that drop cash on this game, it keeps ce on the market for the freebie players (Like me, I've only spent 15 on this game and am rolling in 5* gear XD)
Mié, 09/28/2011 - 23:10
#22
Those pesky Devilites
How about the money you make on a JK run? The Avenger recipe and CE costs? Those mats? Sealed Sword Prices?
Mié, 09/28/2011 - 23:45
#23
Depends on the player.
It's cheaper to buy equipment that is rated 3 stars or less.
It's cheaper to make equipment that is 4* or higher.
It's debatable whether "cheaper" means "better." It's a time vs crowns vs energy vs money issue. Whether or not someone will consider it "better" to make or buy equipment will depend on the player.
It's much better to craft a weapon. It costs 1.8k crystal energy to unbind a 4-star item, and 4k crystal energy to unbind a 5-star. Since you need to bind a 4-5 star equip to craft it, it's much cheaper to make it yourself than to pay for someone else's unbind fee.