Spiral Knights - Petition to rebalance (nerf) the current overpowered/overrated weapons in game.

Petition to rebalance (nerf) the current overpowered/overrated weapons in game.

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Tue, 09/20/2011 - 01:08

Valkyrise

I'm sick and tired of seeing everyone in clockworks, and especially lockdown, use the same equipments. I like this game, alot. I really do. Not for its biasm towards certain gear, but instead because of its vast variety of gear.

Thus, i'm making a petition for people who dislike seeing the same types of armour, shields and weapons ingame or are just sick of losing in lockdown against people who use overpowered items such as Vog, Skolver, DA, GF and Polaris to nerf certain weapons.

I know i'm sick of getting 'owned' by people who use those. It gets worse when you find out they're little kids and think they're so 'skillful' and call me a 'lameo' for using 'lame' gear.

Armour that should be extremely nerfed:
Vog set
Skolver set

Weapons that should be extremely nerfed:
Divine Avenger
Gran Faust
Polaris

Armour that should be nerfed a little:
Divine set

Weapons that should be nerfed a little:
Fang of Vog
Barbarous thorn blade

Feel free to suggest more. I will NOT add any that are obviously already pretty bad, or if its just a trolling attempt.

Signed:
1.Mysterise
2.jeburk
3.

By the way, for people saying i'm being biased, i'm not. Why? I already plan to use some of those items for my characters regardless of their stats and/or skill required to use them.

I know alot of people will disagree with me or flame me, some even troll me. Just please, keep flaming to a minimum and use constructive critiscim.

-Myst

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 01:36

Dirt

Legacy Username

People just think their stuff

People just think their stuff is great because they were told it was great. But when I'm carrying their Vog butts through the Royal Jelly Palace in my Deadly Virulisk Mask and Suit I don't really see any imbalance. Remember, just because it's popular doesn't mean it works the best.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 01:43

Gwenyvier

Asking for popular gear to be

Asking for popular gear to be nerfed? I see this not getting many signatures. You are asking for the wrong thing. You should be asking for armor to be buffed in T3 Lockdown.

The reason Vog/Skolver are used is because we have seen that resistance doesn't matter in T3. GF/Acheron will kill you just as fast if you're wearing full Dread Skelly or full Vog... so why bother with something that doesn't offer a useful bonus? Make the damage resist have a meaning and you'll find people using something other then those 2 armor sets. Yes, I can be different and unique with my gear, Goddess knows I have enough options, but why am I going to blow off a damage bonus or ASI bonus when the resistance I get from the other gear isn't going to mean anything? It's the same as if I decide to be a Swordsman but wear Mad Bomber as my armor. Yes it's different and unique, but the bonuses I get effectively do nothing for me.

As for GF/DA being overpowered... GF/DA actually do LESS damage than Brandish lines for a full swing set. Brandish needs 3 hits (light sword, Acheron: 203, 203, 292 = 698), Sealed Sword needs 2 hits (heavy sword, GF: 234, 363 = 597). Guess what, you nerf Sealed Sword line then everybody will just switch to the Brandish lines. The damage has to be higher for the heavy swords to make them competitive with the light swords.

Outside of Lockdown you will see a ton of different gear choices being used. Gunslingers, Bombers, and yes, Swordsmen. PvP is not PvE though, and loadouts have to be specialized for the class you want to play in it. Other gear just makes no sense currently with resistance being meaningless.

~Gwen

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 02:44

Valkyrise

Eh. Just kind of sick of

Eh. Just kind of sick of seeing everyone with DA and GF.

Edit: Also, take note that i don't want the armour to be buffed, i want equipment to be nerfed. Thus, if you plan to buff the atm bad weapon & armour, you'll just get people 1-2 shotting people everywhere with any gear possible.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 02:46

Pawn

co-signed

Fix the pierced sword bug too. It's the biggest offender. A bug that is being exploited en masse

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 04:32

Fallout

Meh

The game is fine as it it, only in parts do things need balancing

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 03:52

BiggestLoser

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Zelda

"Armour that should be extremely nerfed[because??]:
Vog set[not overpowered, but in comparison some items are UNDERpowered]
Skolver set[same as above]

Weapons that should be extremely nerfed[because?]:
Divine Avenger[overpowered charge attack and regular attack in comparison with troika line]
Gran Faust[suck ass charge attack, nerf it further and make it useless, congrats!]
Polaris[knocks monsters even in the face of who is shooting..how come u dont find supernova overpowered btw?]

Armour that should be nerfed a little[because?]:
Divine set[1 of the few okay armors]

Weapons that should be nerfed a little[because?]:
Fang of Vog[very bad attack speed, rather low dmg, the charge attack is totally okay as it burns the attacker]
Barbarous thorn blade[why would some1 consider this overpowered without adding final flourish furious flamberge and fearless rigadoon to the list?]"

i remember how people in dragonica bothered getting gear especially for pvp, now i can live with that, but at least mention some PVPers only in the post or something, it might be just me but i have a strong feeling seeing these items often in pvp

IMPORTANT NOTE: not every1 loves pvp as much as pvpers do.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 03:56

Aatu

well, here's an alternative for you guys (regarding lockdown)

Tired of GFs, DAs and piercing weapons in lockdowns?

Come join the tier1 lockdowns !

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/25611

You've been invited.

Btw, the reason brandish line isn't used as much as Sealed Sword line in lockdowns is also because Sealed Sword line has drastically wider arc. Combined with lag and striker-shield's fast movement speed, it gives a significant advantage over "accuracy" weapons.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 04:36

Valkyrise

Biggest Loser: Armour that

Biggest Loser:
Armour that should be extremely nerfed[because??]:
Vog set[not overpowered, but in comparison some items are UNDERpowered]
Skolver set[same as above]

Armour that should be nerfed a little[because?]:
Divine set[1 of the few okay armors]

IMPORTANT NOTE: not every1 loves pvp as much as pvpers do.

"Armour that should be extremely nerfed[because??]:
They're overpowered.

Vog set[not overpowered, but in comparison some items are UNDERpowered]
Nope. If they were underpowered, howcome practically 50% of SK either has it or is aiming for it?

Skolver set[same as above]
same as above too.

Weapons that should be extremely nerfed[because?]:
Again, they're overpowered.

Divine Avenger[overpowered charge attack and regular attack in comparison with troika line]
Exactly. Overpowered charge attack.

Gran Faust[suck ass charge attack, nerf it further and make it useless, congrats!]
Charge attack inflicts curse. If it hits someone, they'll either be dead or they'll be cursed to hell and die anyways.

Polaris[knocks monsters even in the face of who is shooting..how come u dont find supernova overpowered btw?]
I don't get what you mean by 'knocks monsters even in the face of who is shooting'. It's overpowered as it finishes with a huge explosion, combine that with an almost definite shock infliction = deadliest gun for pvp. Supernova isn't overpowered as Supernova deals normal damage and doesn't inflict shock, or any other status. It's pure normal damage.

Armour that should be nerfed a little[because?]:
Abit overpowered.

Divine set[1 of the few okay armors]
No negative stats.

Weapons that should be nerfed a little[because?]:
Abit overpowered.

Fang of Vog[very bad attack speed, rather low dmg, the charge attack is totally okay as it burns the attacker]
It does OHKO to me. Pretty sure it does 2HKO for the rest who survives the first. Attack speed doesnt matter as long as you're a striker, since all you need to do is get up close. Same thing as DA and GF

Barbarous thorn blade[why would some1 consider this overpowered without adding final flourish furious flamberge and fearless rigadoon to the list?] This is different from the flourish series as the charge attack makes the weapon able to hit multiple mobs/knights at once within a distance, whilst the flourishes requires the knight to lunge up close.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 04:56

Slapjack

Here's a thought... why not

Here's a thought... why not just go get a DA or GF yourself? Because honestly, people complaining about armor in Lockdown must have the worst movement skills ever. I've played in my 3* gunslinger sash and still 2 hit people with GF. Resistances mean very very little, and each shield has it's own unique way of playing to compensate for your gear.

ALL you need is a 5* weapon and skill (and no lag but that's the only legit issue with the game imo). Doesn't matter what kind if you're good with it. Best player I've seen so far had a Final Flourish and Sentenza.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 05:25

#10

Captain-Teemo

imo - any player who really

imo - any player who really wants to be good at a game should always use the lower tier options to test their skills.

Some players, myself and one of my best friends are this type, almost always use bottom tier as our "main" so that we can always be showing our stuff. You win with bottom tier and you really won.

It can be hard though, since you stack the deck against yourself, to face a losing streak... but the fact is - there will always be tiers in games, things cannot be perfectly balanced. If you are picking lower tier gear don't cry when you lose, expect that you will and enjoy the challenge. If you want to win, take the top tier gear.

-1

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 05:34

#11

BiggestLoser

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Zelda

overpowered isnt a reason, when i say overpowered charge attack im referring to the well known large AoE/range, the knockback, the hitting through walls and the fact, that each target can be hit up to 3 times by each of the projectiles while in comparison other sword charge attacks have rather little AoE/range and the knockback often requires to go close to the target and risk being hit

im pretty sure vog is popular because of fsc

skolver is popular because of its dmg bonus..in most RPG's dmg is the most desirable stat and whoever considers swords to have the most potential, is most likely gona be interested in getting sword dmg bonus gear

gran faust has a very long charge time and the risk of cursing oneself. whether the curse on the opponent is effective depends on its attack rate
for cursing alone a faust would be alot better

polaris' bullets can explode behind the monster, which would knock it towards u

no negative stats would be a good reasoning for many armors to be unbalanced
if i think about it, itd be either balanced armors with each armor being good in particular situations or itd be balanced armors with little to no difference at all or itd be as it is now with many different imbalanced armors, that have their ups and downs

i really dont wana bother with pvp, SK isnt a pure pvp game, weapons and armors are primarily made for pve
pls prioritize on effects in pve, because a nerf would affect the pve-ers, who are the majority of players and only play pvp casually
i understand, if person A is mad at particular weapons, because theyre used rather often to kill person A, but im sure, if every1 without exception used caliburs and a deadshot set only, it might not change the situation to person A's contentment, fully depending on person A's experiences in pvp of course

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 06:04

#12

Valkyrise

BiggestLoser: i really dont

BiggestLoser:

How about they only nerf it in PVP? @ the 2 other people above BiggestLoser:
Picking the best gear doesn't show skill. It simply shows the need to win and/or brag. I use 'lower tier' weapons myself, if you mean items not really popular. Gear such as Seraphic armour with Crest of Almire, Grand Flourish, Hunting Blade, Silversix and Haze burst. I know the argent peacemaker and crest of almire are popular, i'm only picking weapons that suit my set.

Aiming for Valkyrie set atm. I have a theme of yellow and white. Notice how the weapons i chose all have yellow and/or white as a major colour. Don't ask why. It's just my perfectionism trait.

If you want to play with me, IGN: Valkyrise

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 06:19

#13

BiggestLoser

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Zelda

pure pvp nerf sounds good to me..i hate having to switch to DA n stuff in mid of a match because my other weaps dont do the job as well

itd be fun to play with various weapons without having severe disadvantages

i agree to parts of the OP in terms of pvp

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 07:08

#14

RebelScum75

Legacy Username

Nerfing items isn't a good

Nerfing items isn't a good idea because people put a lot of time, effort, and sometimes real cash money in order to get those items. Nerf it and you just screwed them over. Nerfing in pvp only creates discrepancies and would become very confusing to people. I can see buffing some of the other equipment to bring them up to the level of the most powerful stuff.

But it's just a fact that, in pretty much all games like this, given so many combinations of gear, some combinations always seem to rise to the top as "optimal" choices; it's a mathematical byproduct of having different stats for everything. Unfortunately, the only way to even things out is to give everything the same stats, which defeats the purpose, since at that point, they're all the same item. Or rather, it can be done (see Starcraft with the way it balances all three races), but is very VERY hard to do correctly.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 07:49

#15

Pawn

oh i'm signing the petition to nerf the OP weapons for PvP only. Not clockworks.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 07:51

#16

damon180

Legacy Username

They really that aren't bad.

They really that aren't bad. I don't play with any of the above mentioned. Actually I don't play with any swords at all! haha. I use only guns and usually do the most damage on my team.
(and no polaris for me. A good gunner should know better. That gun disrupts team play and is just downright annoying)

The only thing I would want to see changed would be the BTB either have a speed reduction, or have it's actual hit frames come out when the person strikes. From what I understand, the damage is instant (before the sword even hits you), and being killed in 2 hits by that thing is just silly. GF or DA, 1 hit usually knocks ya outa the way, so as long as you're running away you can get away.

In all of T3, getting hit is just unforgiving. You just gota not get hit! hahaha! The clockworks are the same way. Get hit 2-3 times and you're going down (unless you have a double digit vitapod)

Just play more and you'll get better.
-Blueflood

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 09:07

#17

Madfruitz

If you want people to use a

If you want people to use a wider variety of gear then you need to buff the bad kit (like armor of the fallen, chaos cowl etc etc)

Thats better for everyone. The 2 shotting problem needs to be fixed at its root..not by nerfing weapons: add vitapods to lockdown/increase the benefit of defenses etc etc. Besides, in a competitive environment you'll always have better items, and always have people who want to use them to WIN..afterall, it is a competition. Can't blame people for wanting to use every advantage they can.

Anyway thats all besides the point, these items arn't nearly as bad as you're making out - namely BECAUSE defense is so bad, every weapon is useable

Threads like these crop up in every game and really come down to "i want to use XXX but its not as good as YYY, nerf Y!". You either have to suck it up and realise that if you REALLY want to use a "lesser" item cus its cool, or whatever..you want to be a unique snowflake (lol hipster gamers) that you'll be at a disadvantage vs anyone whos doing everything possible to win, deal with it. This nerf/buff whine game is really tired and no fun for anyone.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 09:55

#18

Jalok

I want them nerfed. Sign me

I want them nerfed. Sign me up in the list.

I dislike how that the Avenger/Faust/Polaris/Ice Bombs is over-used and over-powered. It is like bringing a legendary Pokemon to a battle or noob tubing in CoD: MW2.
Also don't forget to nerf the Brandish series also. They are pretty OP.
I don't think Divine Veil should be nerfed. I think it is fine the way it is. It can't resist damage against normal attacks anyway. But as for Vog and Skolver Armor. But I think only the caps should be nerfed, instead of the cap and coat. So instead of having Ultra attack power and Ultra speed power. It should be Fast attack power and Fast speed power.

The people who doesn't want it be nerfed are the people who are currently a "newbie", and want to take the easy way out using bye these "dishonorable weapons."
I would really like to see variety of Spiral Knights players using their own type of play style. I don't like to see everyone being a look'a like. I mean seriously! I see nothing but Vog Armor Sealed-Sword freaks everywhere! Having these items nerf will allow players to go outside their comfort zone and try out something new that will fit too their playstyle!

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 09:54

#19

Traumata

Leave PvE alone. T_T (but

Leave PvE alone. T_T

(but please buff chaos set again:))

Mon, 05/21/2012 - 05:15

#20

Twest

@Mysterise (and everyone else

@Mysterise (and everyone else in his boat)

This is an mmorpg. There will always be an advantage of having equipment over others in PvP mode.
I remember playing a game where one class would never be good at PvP, but would be great at PvE, and vica versa; they didn't balance around pvp, and a result, you would only see certain types of classes in PvP. Also, in the PvE environment, it is normal that many weapons would not be used at any given stages. (Kinda like 1* weapons for SK)

SK is not focused on PvP, the core of the game are the Clockworks and the weapons are balanced for PvE. The current metagame requires things like vog sets because of FSC. Elemental defense is used a lot because of all the the greater damage from constructs, though that is a little more balanced now with the introduction of shadow and pierce turrets. Until we get a Tier 3 boss that shoots bullets that sleep and curse, you're not going to see people give up their vog sets.
You are asking a lot for PvP nerfs to be enabled without it affecting PvE; this may not be easily built into the system from a programming perspective.
Infact, your opening statement doesn't even have the proposed nerfs, just a call for great justice. How can the programmers work off this?

If you want a more fair game, play something where you start a match with the same things as your opponent (street fighter, star craft etc. etc.)

Don't think you can go into a Tier 3 game with your "different" gear, thinking you should be able to play toe-to-toe with people who have poured more time into this game. That's just the way MMORPG's work.

The solution on your part is easy, play a lower tier lockdown.

Lastly, I find it hypocritical that you ask for flaming to be kept at a minimal but use a blanked statement such as this:

"I know i'm sick of getting 'owned' by people who use those. It gets worse when you find out they're little kids and think they're so 'skillful' and call me a 'lameo' for using 'lame' gear."

I have this equipment, but I'm not a kid, am I being flamed? In fact, I don't talk down to persons who use different equipment and play well, and I am sure plenty of others are in the same boat.
Are you a kid? Do you know the difference between "alot" and "a lot"?

My piece of criticism is that you come in here making a petition based off some emotions of being "owned but not deserving it because the people who own me do not have skill, only equipment they magically got with no effort." Cool down, play some more games, play different tiers, and maybe come up with a better, more reasonable solution to this "great problem" you see. (And spell check.)

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In General

1) I'm going to agree on the points brought up that everyone should get better defense. In tier 3, I see no difference as to whether someone has the death mark or not; nor do I care if I have it on myself or not. If one or two hits connect, it's a knock out.

2) As someone who has max sword ASI & sword damage with a striker shield, I also think this should be limited. The difference from v.high ASI to maximum is enough to make a sealed sword swing as fast as a 3-sword combo, and run away before you can be caught in the back swing. And if someone were to have ASImax and want the damage too, they would need to have a UV.

A simple solution would be to just have sword damage medium, no ASI bonus from the striker shield. Forcing players to have to have less damage for higher ASI, or vica versa. Or, my preferred solution, have the ASI for GF & DA be limited to v.high, allowing for a larger window of counter attacks.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 10:08

#21

Thoranhippo

Just here to say I disagree

Just here to say I disagree with the proposal. There always are some better equipments than others in MMORPGs, in my own experience.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 10:18

#22

Tengu

So, this is just a "I got

So, this is just a "I got owned in PvP by someone, so I want that weapon broken so I don't lose anymore" thread.

I'm a bomber in PvP, pretty much. I have a polaris and barb, but mainly use a radiant sun shards and shivermist. I get like 900 hp a game, and I'm CONSTANTLY worked over by stirkers with Sealed Sword variants.

Guess what! I have UVed DA and GF too. I choose to be a support unit, not a striker. I'm probably not going to bring them into PvP anyway...there's already enough of them floating around.

If you can't hang with the big boys and A) evolve, or B) take it like me, then go to T2.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 11:11

#23

Foxhound3857

Legacy Username

Equipment doesn't make the

Equipment doesn't make the man; skill does.

In other words, all that fancy overpowered gear doesn't mean squat if the player wearing it has no clue what he's doing.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:05

#24

weberto

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I agree with foxhound3857,

I agree with foxhound3857, I've been able to defeat people with all variety of weapons (including vogs with sealed swords) and I've been defeated by people with all variety of weapons, I have been able to kill a vog/sealed user with a polaris, so in the end it depends on the skill (I use a combination of sets so I don't die in one attack)

Tier 3 is unforgiving in PVE so it makes sense it's also unforgiving in PVP, you shouldn't get hit, this actually makes it more about tactics than a bunch of 1 vs 1 fights in the same map

as stated in other threads (the one with the tips is a very good one) you shouldn't be fighting alone.

plus, as others have said, you have the option to go to tier 2 or tier 1 and have more forgiving fights where you can take more than 3 hits. without changing tier 3 we can all have both options.

so I guess I'm not signing, heh

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:15

#25

Jalok

Why is everyone thinking

Why is everyone thinking about PvP balance? No! Don't focus on that! Think about PvE too! These equipment that Mysterise just mentioned is just way too over-powered for PvE (as well as PvP) and that is why they should be nerfed! I try to encourage people to use other weapons and armor than the basic OP default. But no listens, everyone is hooked on those stinken nooby OP gear, like crack!
In the future, I would like to see players come up with their own unique equipment loadout and playstyle. Because so far, this is BS, mostly everyone looks the same! No uniqueness with their character.

If 3-Rings can't nerf these OP equipment, at least they should bring out tiers 4-6 and 6-9. Because Tier 3 is so forgiving with my Winmillion! And people says it is a stupid sword! Yeah right! Ppphhh! That is because people doesn't have skill and don't know how to use one.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:19

#26

weberto

Legacy Username

I've never understood that

I've never understood that "uniqueness" mantra that some people always want in games

it's a game, most people will use the equipment better suited for the job, and that's fine, the game does not need to be a parade of unique snowflakes to be fun

If you have fun destroying the enemy easily, then you should get the best equipment you can, as we can see, most people have fun destroying their enemies, and even then, tier 3 is very unforgiving, it doesn't matter that you have a vog cub set with a divine avenger, if you are not careful you will be destroyed in tier 3, that vog cub/avenger will not help you against a group of devilites (damn you and your flying office supplements!), and you can lose all your health in an instant.

so the good thing about SK, it's that at the end, is more about skill than equipment.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 12:39

#27

Tengu

Yea, I'm not seeing how the

Yea, I'm not seeing how the DA or GF is overpowered. Seriously. Curse is great, and the charge attack of the DA is great, but I've run through T3 with full skolver, barb shield and both DA and GF. Not many 1shots. I'm thinking you haven't actually used either of them. If you had, you'd think differently.

WHat needs nerfing is the charge knockback of Leviathans.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 13:08

#28

Xylka-Mkii

Rawr

One of the main points you are saying is that you want them nerfed BECAUSE you are sick of seeing them.
1. How about, idk, DONT BUY OR CRAFT ONE
2. Solo if you dont like people with it
3. This petition will greatly affect those people with said items and thus they will most likely not sign it as their equips will be nerfed and possibly worthless. BTW Thats thats at least half of the people playing the game (counting those crafting towards it)

Have fun with your petition. Might I add that the CE ragers failed more than 3658292048918 times?
Just saying

EDIT: Foxhound is right. You need skill. I'm also going to assume you do not have enough experience in the game to realize how these equips work. Screw PvP and PvE. If you can't realize that skill is the center of all games, and getting these "overpowered" weapons REQUIRE skill and dedicated time to get,and those with the items are happy and dont complain, and those without the items strive for that greatness, then I am sorry to say but you need a MUCH better arguement.

I WILL NEVER SIGN THIS PETITION

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:00

#29

Speetz131

Legacy Username

If resistances are buffed etc

If resistances are buffed etc things would work out better. The first poster got it correct.

Don't nerf anything, just make other things up to par. Make getting trinkets easier and maybe people will be able to experiment more by making up for not using Vog/Skolver. Just a random idea with the same train of thought. Vog/Skolver are fine. DA/GF are fine; if we have something to counter or at least provide some kind of defense against them.

I'd rather matches be a bit longer when your up against someone; more time, wearing people down etc. takes more opportunity and comes down to more skill than luck.

But, to each their own.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:02

#30

Atron

This is not a democracy

Developers can do what they wish. Petition or no petition. Just because you chose crap to wear, that is not our problem. Defense is only good if you get hit. If you get hit that means lack of skill. Therefore wouldn't players who wore dos type outfits, taking the risk of getting hit, have more skill? QQ

Edit: sea in place of wear

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:17

#31

evanct

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I'm a Pulsar user and even I

I'm a Pulsar user and even I think it's overpowered. Not so much the damage, more the blast radius and degree of knockback.

In Clockworks it sucks because most Pulsar users just go crazy with it, not considering how all that knockback affects their teammates. And in Lockdown it's just cheap as hell, requires virtually no skill.

But thinking a petition will accomplish anything is silly and melodramatic. If you want to suggest that an equip gets a nerf/buff/whatever, that's what the Suggestions board is for.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:27

#32

Xylka-Mkii

Rawr

I agree with the last 3 comments thus far

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 15:38

#33

Xylka-Mkii

@Matoro

Ya know...There is a costume slot that many people use.

Also You said people say Winmillion sucks. Well that's because there are much better 5* swords that do the job even better. T3 is so fogiving on my Wild Hunting Blade! And People say its a stupid sword! Yea Right! Ppphhh.

As much as people dont like Winmillion, many dont like Wild Hunting Blade. I have it. Big whoop-de-doo .No reason to say people dont have skill to use it, more say its horrible COMPARED to many other swords the actually have a 5* version. That's the debate. As for WHB vs Dread Venom, Its poison and slight speed vs. extra beast dmg and unique look.

OH WAIT
that's what you want, uniqueness
Wellt theres costumes, alternate crafting paths etc. Just because we all have them, doesn't mean we have to use them. Why not join a Costumes-only guild and solo so you don't have to look at the OP gear that people use. We use it for a purpose,as do you with your other gear. We chose what we want, you chose what you want. Independent freedom online.

DEAL WITH IT

P.S Petitions don't work in Spiral Knights (as of Beta-current version)

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 16:12

#34

Triphorce

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Nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf...

"Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf Nerf"

I'm glad none of you have a hand in designing this game.
If anything, some other items need a buff (eg Chaos Armor).

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 17:55

#35

Grenze

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So nerf my entire set that I

So nerf my entire set that I use for PvE, the BASIS of this game? My Gran Faust which is very unforgiving should be even worse for normal enemies because you don't like it in PVP? Mind you PVP is new, wasn't a huge part of this game until recently so my Vog Cub Coat, DA, Gran Faust which I had to work on armor with Curse resist to use mind you should be nerfed? While we are at it let's nerf my Sentenza, and my Magma Driver and my Gunslinger hat, I mean I devistate people with those guns as well. I mean PvP is SUCH a "huge" thing on this game that weapons and armors should be nerfed cause you get killed by them in PVP, forget the Clockworks and bosses and enemies normally cause hey they aren't PVP so the nerf doesn't matter there. While we are at it lets just get rid of any useful weapon which people may or may not have bought energy to make and leave just leave 1 or 2 things so no variation, cause that's what MMOs are about not being able to pick what you want cause some kids are whining about weapons being overpowered in PvP.

To long; Didn't read: Cry some more and stop trying to ruin peoples fun in the normal much LARGER part of the game because of damned tier 3 PVP. AKA the F#$ing Clockworks.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:31

#36

D00MB0T

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im not hate'n but if ur sick

im not hate'n but if ur sick of see'n people with that set/gear on then dont look at them. i really think nothing needs to be nerf or buff. the armor, shield, swrd, gun, helm, bomb are fine. combo them for differnt situations. also i see many people with vog set die fast, so its not "op". plus its all fair, every thing is reachable to get, nothing is kept away from people, read up before getting a gear rather then later saying you wasted cr/ce/time on it and calling it under power, accses the forum for help/review on something. plus maybe other people got more dmg off you cause they might have stacked on trinkets, or know that you are going hit straight so they side step and then attacked you. i might be right or worng but really if people keep asking to nuff or buff, might as well that there should be only one set of gear that every one uses in the whole game, thats balance. also nurffing/buffing and a fixing bug are two different things, asking to nurf something cause of a bug is well ummm.... yea. just my 2cents.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 18:47

#37

Quasirandom

I agree that Vog Cub and

I agree that Vog Cub and Skolver should be nerfed. Replace the medium bonuses by small, like in the four star versions, and they'll be fine. Alternatively, you could leave the sword bonuses as they are, and take away the status resistances.

Divine armor set is fine. It does offer some nice condition resistance, but at the expense of taking higher base damage, because it has no normal damage resistance whatsoever.

The problem with divine avenger and gran faust isn't so much that they're overpowered, as that the other slow swords such as sudaruska are underpowered. Buff sudaruska and triglav and that will be enough.

I'd agree with nerfing fang of vog. A slight chance of causing strong fire, rather than a good chance, would be sufficient.

I'd like to see polaris nerfed hard just because it's really annoying. For group use, it's not even all that good of a weapon, but too many idiots spam it on everything anyway.

Barbarous thorn blade is fine, at least for PVE use. I haven't seen the PVP bug that people talk about. Barbarous thorn blade isn't even as good as final flourish.

Tue, 09/20/2011 - 23:44

#38

Valkyrise

Bleh, just came back from a

Bleh, just came back from a tiring day of school and found out this had heaps of rants. Meh. Guess atleast 75% of the rants in here are by people who actually use the items that I want nerfed.

Also, what's the point of all the other armour if you people just want me to 'deal with it' and use the gear myself? Why don't OOO just remove the underpowered equipment if DA and GF with vog and skolver is all you people want.

As repeated, making things up to par makes everyone able to easily solo vana, 1-3 shot people in pvp and other things that make the game boring.

Just because people are not liking the things I suggested, doesn't mean i'm going to switch over sides.

Also note i'm not QQing. Get a life if you think I am.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 00:50

#39

FALLENAFM

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To all you complainig about

To all you complainig about weapons and equipment: learn to play. If you are dying by either sealed sword paths, youre being outsmarted. Its not all that hard to shoot at them or keep them away by placing a bomb. Learn how to counter, and learn how to use classes effectively. Since so many people use the sealed line, you should be getting tons of trial and error data, especially because those attacks vary the least. If you keep getting killed in one shot, thats on you for not learning from the feedback and varying your tactics against a very predictable play style. As for the common equipment: the bonuses apply to only one weapon, so
you can counter a sword bonus by using a different weapon and mastering movement techniques; the bonus doesnt apply if they cant hit you.

TLDR: Its your own fault that you suck, learn from your mistakes and learn how to counter.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 04:24

#40

D00MB0T

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hmmm... just a thought. if

hmmm... just a thought. if time is money and if you paid for ce bundle that the game/company gives/support with real cash to go get some thing in game or pursue a full alchemy line of a gear then it shouldnt be nurf'd or buff'd, you should be able to keep what you paid for, that gear's status/abilities. spiral knights has an offical site and them them self post a wiki link of their game witch shows cases each gears' stats and abilities thus advertising in game content of what people can get, or in sence pay for if welling to drop cash on the game. yes i know any one can put in facts on wiki, yet they are connected to it, they can or should remove link to it if the picture of their content's facts are wrong. my two cents is if change upon after obtaining/paid for a gear then its false advertising, yes fix'n bugs, add'n content is ok to further game play exerience is ok. just an opinion.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 06:44

#41

Eldibs

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You know what's awful? Having

You know what's awful? Having to carry a teammate (in PvP or PvE) that keeps dying because they're using horrid gear because they "want to be different." If you don't want to play competitively, that's fine, but don't go and make things worse for those of us who do. "You only won because you used X." No, I only won because I was playing to win. If you're not using the best gear available to you, then you are not playing to win. If you are not playing to win, you will very likely not win.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/Eldibs/screenshot/559794544987885462

Note that I have a fairly wide selection of blades available to me (on a relative scale), and yet I still tend towards certain ones. Why? Because they're better, and because I'm playing to win. It's the natural progression of PvP - It's released, everyone figures out which weapons are best, everyone starts to use those weapons. By nerfing certain weapons, all that will happen is that a new set of weapons will become the best, and everyone will start to use those instead. Even if some weapons are only just barely better, people who are playing competitively will still tend to use those weapons, because they're still strictly better.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 10:17

#42

Melisan

you know some people wear vog

you know some people wear vog as costume armour because it looks cool, maybe this has been mentioned above, but this is just a troll thread so...
also this should be in the suggestions section of the forum
also OP is so wrong its embarrasing
also i'm a jellyfish hooked up to a super computer

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 10:30

#43

D00MB0T

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another thing, if they do

another thing, if they do nurf the DA, GF, Polaris then they should take it out from the token dude vender in game. that was the reason they got i dunno high/good stats/abilities or what you call "op", you had to beat a boss many times to get the set amount of tokens to buy from the vender, it was like an award.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 10:34

#44

Glowing-Ember

This is mostly TL;DR, but I'm

This is mostly TL;DR, but I'm seeing a lot of anti-balance in this thread. "Nothing needs to be nerfed or buffed," "lol just deal with it," "keep your scrubby gear off my team..."

I understand playing to win, but that doesn't mean the game shouldn't have balanced variety. I don't agree with OP's proposition to nerf gear (more like, all other armor needs to be buffed, especially in PvP), but to keep things the way they are (Vog and Skolver as the only viable armors, Sealed Sword variants and Flourish variants being the only viable swords, etc) would be horrible and boring on the part of OOO.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 10:42

#45

Eldibs

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Actually, Calibur, Cutter,

Actually, Calibur, Cutter, and Brandish line swords are all viable. I've killed numerous people with my Dread Venom Striker, and seen people use Leviathan Blade and Acheron to great effect. Similarly, Vog and Skolver are not the only viable armors. I've seen people do well with Azure Guardian and Dread Skelly. Now, granted, there are some items that need to be buffed, but only because they're downright terrible in general, or there's no reason to get them over other items in the crafting chain (Cold Iron Vanquisher, Rigadoon/Flamberge, Chaos Cloak, Wild Hunting Blade, etc...).

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 13:44

#46

Xylka-Mkii

Rawr

By saying 'deal with it' we mean that you cant force people to changer gear JUST because you don't like seeing them. Also If we all change then we may end up with Winmillions and Chroma suits everywhere because that could be the best. THEN another thread like this springs up, and another ,and another until we end up running T3 with Proto gear.

Ok my view on this in Pro vs Con form:

Pros:
~People's 4* weapons are considered 'at par' 5* end-game gear.
~People won't craft 5* anymore so we are all equal at 4*. This results in a drop in the CE market price
~Less chance of 2-shot people in PvP

CONS:
~Many people, including the majority of players, will now have their gear WORTHLESS and go for other gear if not stop playing altogether.
~People who PAY REAL MONEY to the game and PAY REAL MONEY to keep the game alive with CE will, if wanted, manipulate the game with their wealth and try to fix it to what it was before.
~Now the Gear that makes places in the Clockworks easier will do less Damage and thus be better off not having the items.
~All the nerfed gear will be rendered 'at par' with 3*-4* gear. Now that 5* you worked for is equal to a 4* gear ,give or take,and thusyou will have WASTED that CE CR Material and most importantly TIME crafting a now worth much less item. Might as well leave what you have at 3* and stay in T2.
~Many MANY MANY people will DESPISE those who supported this idea in its entirety (not just for PVP or just 1 item, EVERYTHING)

Heres a small example. I have a Leviathan, you have a Winmillion. You are at 4* and I am at 5*. I spent, in theory, more time and effort to get my Leviathan that I value as much as you value your Winmillion, BUT you spent less time getting the Winmillion. REMEMBER THAT. Now my Item is nerfed so that is equal to, say, an Ascended Calibur. Now I feel like my time was completely wasted getting the Leviathan, whereas you Winmillion is untouched and is better than mine. It would be unfair to waste my time building up a good weapon, only to have it weakened to the point of a 4* would be better. But you don't care. YOUR gear is unharmed so YOU don't care about other people who worked hard for their item, or, at the least, put more effort than YOU into getting the 5*.

Now for Facts. FACTS THAT ARE IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW.
You started a petition to nerf OP, In your opinion, items because you are sick of seeing people with them. Correct me if I'm wrong and be simple.
You have 2 signatures on your petition which is insufficient to have it go into effect.
Because Three Rings is in total control of their game, they can reject this petition if they so wanted to regardless if it was a unanimous decision by the players.

So basically this petition is a WASTE OF TIME because IT WILL NEVER WORK

To those people who agree with PARTS of this Nerfing petition. I understand your views, as do I do with the Original Poster, however I have to disagree with you. Think about it,

Hypothesis from your view:
If these items are nerfed, then everyone will be equal becausethey will be equally strengthed to weaker players.

MY Hypothesis:
If these items are nerfed, then people will find it unfair because their items they worked hard to obtain, with real money or actual play time, are now equal to a 4* item.

That makes the end-game items now 4* in comparison.

More people disagree with you, than agree with you.
Thus no majority vote
Thus petition fails
Thus this is not implemented and most players are happy

YOU choose what YOU want in the game and I choose what I want in the game by CUSTOMIZING my character to what I believe is good for my playstyle.That is what Three Rings wanted from the start. So that each player can choose FREELY what they decide to.

What you are doing is basically making these items nerfed and telling us what to get, which is NOT these items that we want.
YOU are telling us what YOU want to do. Leave the game as it is and maybe you won't get flamed like this by people who actually put their time and knowledge into constructing a character that they want
Now I DO AGREE with you that many of these items are cliche and are a BIT overpowered in PvP only. In PvE, They still do well, but it takes time to kill Vanaduke even with these OP weapons. I believe that players should get the CHOICE to have these weapons or not. I never knew Barbarous Thorn Blade was OP until just now when PvP was released. I DO NOT have a DA or GF or Vog as most end-gamers do.

BTW there is a SUGGESTIONS forum that gives SUGGESTIONS to the developers, not GENERAL INFORMATION.

Please close this thread and move to the graveyard because it is dead now. Your petition will not work.

~Xylka

You aren't QQing, but you are complaining about something that will not happen. Don't tell me to get a life because you can understand our viewpoint against you.

EDIT:
@Eldibs LOL 12 5*

This is what I mean. You can play to win. Be different and lose. Or find a way to do both by, idk, maybe wearing COSTUMES and using less popular weapons. BUT using 'different' weapons most likely means using 4* or 3* weapons that are NOT end-game. WHY NOT MAKE FULL ALCHEMY LINES FOR EVERYTHING?!?!? Then we are all equal and get NEW CONTENT instead of TAKING AWAY from what we have.

/thead

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 13:49

#47

Bumbling

I think you'd garner more

I think you'd garner more support if you instead asked for buffs on weapons and gear you consider too weak. The outcome is the same - you get the game balance you're asking for (assuming for the sake of argument that you're correct) and the game doesn't change at all for everyone else. But nobody likes being on the receiving end of a nerf.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 13:55

#48

Xylka-Mkii

@Bumbly

Most simplest and best suggestion for turning this into your favor
Ask for buffs because nerfs are hard on everyone that has the nerfed items
Buff benefits EVERYONE
In comparison to a school related topic in Science Biology

Mutualism, Commensalism, and Parasitism (Predation is in PvP lol)

Mutualism: Both sides, or people, benefit from the relationship
Commensalism: One side benefits, and the other doesn't mind the other or is not affected
Parasitism: One side gets a benefit, the other is harmed.

This petition is equal to Parasitism
Bumbly's post is Commensalsim which is better
If there was Mutualism in the forums then maybe we'd all get along, but that will never happen so forget it.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 14:14

#49

Eldibs

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I think maybe you

I think maybe you misunderstood me. I'm against nerfing. You also misspelled "thread," your post goes on to fill almost two pages on my screen (I'm at 2048x1152), and there's a whole lot of Caps Lock going on there. Even though it appears you're technically on my side, I still have to call the Law of Exclamation on you.

EDIT: Also, well put, Bumbly and Xylka.

Wed, 09/21/2011 - 14:31

#50

Xylka-Mkii

@Eldibs Yeah sorry I meant to

@Eldibs
Yeah sorry I meant to just use that to point out important facts to the Original Poster. Sorry :/
Also lol I spelled thread wrong
And thank you for the compliment!

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