Lets Raise the price of Ce

Well because I have been seeing a lot of topics of people complaining on the price of Ce that its too high. I figure that I just make a topic to raise the price of Ce.
What you have to do if you own Ce:
1. Do not throw it in the market for 3,500 or lower.
2. Only sell Ce for 6,000 to 10,000 Crowns (Put all the amount of crowns you desire in that price bracket)
3. Do this for about two to four days or even longer the prices will go up dramatically fast.
Question and Answers:
1. Njthug wont this make the market crash?
No, it will not make the market crash at all. All we are doing is raising the prices to the average price of Ce. The only way the market would crash is if players all of the sudden do not need any Ce.
2. Njthug is this wrong?
Well considering you may have paid good money for your Ce how is this wrong? We are not stealing from anyone we are just charging a fair price.
3. Njthug why do this?
Just to make the game go a lot faster. It will take you currently about 1.7k ce to buy one 5* recipe why not change it into just selling 800 Ce or even a bit less. Its going to happen anyways there is no harm speeding up the process.
4. Njthug the other kids can read this topic what do we do if they revolt and stop selling Crowns?
As many said to craft, to do runs, to revive Ce is needed. Only way they can harm us is going out and buy their own Ce.
5. Njthug why did you post this?
Honestly, its getting annoying seeing people cry every five seconds about how high the Ce prices are right now and complain about it. People have to realize players who spend money dont wish to sell ce for such a low price. They do it because its only available to them at that time and point. Summary, I got annoyed hearing people cry this will make them cry more, but eh it will put a smile on my face and most likely your's. *The prices will go up regardless its just a matter of time instead of seeing posts about how high ce is going every other day we might as well just do the damage in 1 go*.
Side-Note:
This topic most likely will make me be disliked, but not everyone already loves me.
For those who do know me I help out the economy majority of the time in its time of need selling Ce for a cheap price, and buying useless materials just to give people crowns.
Sure, force other players to buy ce with real money.
No, I like the idea of your four hundred spent being worth less. It amuses me!

@Dorael - I posted this to show how pointless these topics are just let the market run its course.
@Magnus - I spent about 2x's that today on some clothes its life. Spending the amount I did in this game does not affect me at all it amuses me that people care about my spending habits more than my parents or myself. I am glad that I can amuse you since you always seem to amuse me. You should try stand up comedy =).
Gotta love cartels.
However this plan assumes that people are willing to wait 2-3 days or more for their CE to sell. But from what I've seen in other games (lolgaia) you're going to have to be willing to shed out a crapton of Crowns to get this artificial inflation to work. :)
Wish you all the best lol, even though you're screwing with my gaming experience. I just want to see how well this scheme works out. XD
Hm... I'm tempted to join...
I have 1000 CE right now that I payed 2852 a piece for. If it goes up to 6000, like you said...
*uses computer calculator*
Holy crap, DO THIS.
This isn't a cartel. CE prices will naturally go up. If 6,000 crowns is above the price the market will bear, NJ's plot will fail.
If you are feeling philanthropic it is possible to throw CE on the market at below market value to benefit the kids, but this is going to be difficult, as there is no mechanism to prevent another player from buying your low-priced CE to flip for more crowns.
Anyone who follows this plan is simply accelerating a process that would happen naturally due to the way the game generates currency.
::Converts all his crowns to CE::

Honestly, I don't understand how this will go faster.
Not every player reads the forum to raise the price . . .
After all, the smallest price is usually shown right?
There are other cashers out there too . . .
Well regardless, seems it's time to save up CE for
the inflation raise.

[Edit: the thread below shows many signs of momentary silliness. -.-']
Njthug, let me see if i got it: are you doing this just because everyone is complaining about how much expensive the CE got? I don't like threads of players crying to make in game market "fair" to non-paying players either, because they completely forget that OOO is trying to profit. This way, I think that paying two bucks a month would be a thank to them, if not a moral obligation (at least to me).
However, I think trying to raise up CE prices in market makes you as crying baby like them, in an opposite direction though. I respect you too much for buying garbage from us (and i didn't know you actually sell CE at lower prices), and I really really really thank you for your kindness (I'm not being sarcastic, believe me). But you're not making things fair too, neither being freindly to beginners, but somewhat elitist. I don't think t2 or t3 players would break a sweat cashing up 6k, but the t1 will do and do a lot.
Until now, I'm a free player. I had some financial disagreements recently, but I don't think the real life prices of CE are that expensive. everyone who can pay for internet services can throw away $5 or $10 monthly, I think, so myself being a payer in some near future isn't a difficult task.
But you forget that not everyone can pay as much as you, and everyone who can throw a big amount of real cash on CE doesn't even need to sell them for crowns. Big time payers control the market structure, indeed. But doing this is not controling: is dominating! It's to dictate the price and to force the players to pay (which I think it should not be forced, but done by free will to invest and thank the developers for a really good game, or - in other words - to pay because we want, not beacuse we need). You're doing all this without a real need, otherwise the complaint of some silly players whose best approach to take against is to "/ignore" their posts. The righteous will pay for the sinners. Do yout think it's fair? Or do you at least care about it?
Sorry if I offended someone, because I wasn't meant to it, especially towards you Njthug. And forgive me if I'm not as fluent on English as I should be. If I said something that seemed messy, tell me and I'll try to correct such sentence(s).
Thanks for the patience. Fell free to correct my feelings or thoughts anytime. =)
(No, I'm not being sarcastic here too.)
[Edit: I've already apologized to Njthug]
No, he's doing this because he bought $400 worth of ce, and is upset it's worth less now.
ILHedgehogs, see post #3, where he says this is a joke.
Magnus, just because $400 is a lot of money for you doesn't mean that it's a lot for everybody.
This is hilarious.
Edit:
I'm still laughing.
Wait, are you making it 6000 on the to buy CE or the to sell CE list? Or is it both?
I doubt you could make it 6000 to sell CE, but making it 6000 to buy would mean you would lose a LOT of money just to inflate prices in the future. You would have to have a near-monopoly to profit from this plan (if you're one of the ones who invested in it).

Well, it makes all I've said pointless then... I just can't express how I'm really sorry about this. I didn't get the joke (maybe my bad English, or I simply wasn't in a good mood to get it), I tought Njthug was serious. And to make things worse, yesterday I crafted a cutter for a brute core, only for not making it for free. Actually, I liked to help with this weapon (later, I traded this core for 50CE with the same guy). I do some business with Njthug occasionally, and also yesterday we have discussed - believe - about fairness of pricing things. I replied this post because it just wasn't like he seemed to be. I thought he has become revolted or something with these threads (and they're revolting, indeed) and he hasn't seen the consequences of this act.
In short, I tried to say "it's nice to be nice, even if some people discourage us with their complaints, so don't give up, keep it up." That's not the case, thankly. So Njthug, again, excuse me for that. As I said, I was not meant to offend you, nor anyone. In fact, nice guys like you helped me in beta, and they inspire me to be nice with others. =)
I bought CE, but I sympathize for people who can't afford it. CE isn't cheap when you think about it, both with real money, and with CR. Sure, I want more money for the 100 CE I sell, but when I buy CE, I don't want to pay 6k CR (which would require about 3-4 solo runs in T2, which means about 400 En to do).
Q: What idiot would pay more for CE than they will make by using it?

@Magnus - If you do know me which you do not I never cared how much money I spent in this game. Since money is money its not a big deal to me, but may be to others. Honestly, you care more about my spending than anyone else....
@People - Honestly I dont plan on doing this just made this topic to show how annoying it is when people moan about the Ce prices. If I attempted to raise the market I would just waste 100 dollars buy out all the markets and try to start a new eco, but that would most likely lead to high inflation which would lead to a crash. Ce prices will rise rather we all like it or not even 6k Max if that sounds like so much is not at all.
@People Again - Honestly guys I did attempt to do this long before I made this post, and my friends and acquaintances rather make cash off the lower Ce prices so I backed off. This post was just a joke post I dont take this seriously at all I know the prices will increase, but I made this post only because I saw like 300 threads of kids wishing to lower the prices. So, why arent their threads about kids raising the prices. Might as well see both views.
Aeca - I am glad this thread brings you joy I thought it would bring many a good laugh =).
hawkn: "CE isn't cheap when you think about it, both with real money"
Yes it is. It's literally under a dollar to buy 200.
And that will get me about 2 full dungeon runs. In subscription based MMO's, I can get as many runs as I like for about $0.50 a day.
I've been doing dungeon runs all day without spending any $. What are you talking about, hawkn? We can exchange crowns for CE and currently we can make more CE than we spend simply by investing time... I'd like to see that on your subscription based MMO's...
@Nj: thanks for the laughs!
LOL Njthug your hularious! Im so glad to see this post over all newbs whinning about CE costs and its barly even broken 3k yet. Haha. Your very right tho, prices WILL raise and we are totally bound to see it hit around 6k or more very soon.

So your one of the merchant clan members! Traitor! >=0 I dislike these players a lot! That is what happened in Runescape's Grand Exchange for example! These filthy merchant clan members try to ruin and raise the price on the most ridiculous stuff! I can't believe this is happening to the Spiral Knights market as well!
@Matoro Not quite, he's just stating a fact of supply and demand. With high demand for CE and only so much on the market the prices will rise. Also, this isn't like RS because this is much harder to bot for money. With limited energy (Hopefully) bots won't be able to be as efficient, which now that I think about it is irrelevant, because CE comes from real money, not crowns (it doesn't just appear, people have to buy it first).
200CE isn't #*)# to play with it takes 80 just to do 1 tier run and that's without dying or crafting or pretty much anything else.
Not everyone has the damn money to be blowing on some game that's supposed to be free.
I am a cripple, I have no job, and I have no money. I can barely afford to survive on others kindness as it is. There is no room for frivolous spending of stupid CE.
You need to think about the situation of others first.
The damn prices are too high for people just starting out at tier 1. The newbies are bitching and whining because it is a problem.
I think they need to lock the prices at a range for each of the tiers based off what you make on that tier aka
Tier 1-2500CR-100CE
Tier 2 4000CR-100CE
Tier 3 6000-10000CR-100CE because let's just face it after 10K it's [delightfully] ridiculous.
It is too much damn energy to do anything in this game except for dungeon runs and you can't die either.
Prices for recipes are expensive! Just to get into tier 2 you need to spend 5000CR and ikd even know what it is for tier 3 gear.
If you seriously think a dollar here and there is expensive, you need to get off that chair of yours and actually do some work.
And sorry, free means exactly what it is, you get to play with limitations since this is a PRODUCT to sell. You're delusional if you think the developers of this game made it just for us to enjoy freely. You can accept that notion and play, or you can quit and attempt to find another "Free" game to play.
Those who can't afford CE, and don't complain a bunch? -course they can always just wait 24/7
But more importantly, it's pretty childish to to inflate things just because you don't like people~
course that could just be my view. c:

Just makes me wish I had bought more of it when it was under 2k per 100. Would be living off of that still, maybe even selling some for big profit in the near future!
The title of this thread brought a smile to my face.
I fully agree, there's simply too much new player butthurt over the rising price of CE, and to them I only have one thing to say: get over it. The price was well over 6k in the Preview Event and I managed just fine, and that was when I stopped playing to focus on college; I imagine it got quite a bit higher since then. Ya'll should be thankful it's as low as it is now, because with the new player flood I fully expected it to shoot up like a bottle rocket. And I honestly think the jury is still out on that.
If you need energy that badly, buy some with real-life cash. The cost ranges from your collection of pennies in your piggy bank to the price of a brand new video game just hitting the shelves, and that 20k energy for $49.95 can go a long way if you know how to use it.
Unfortunately, this is a purely competitive market. Trying to fix the prices just isn't going to work.
This is the most stupid thread. You see, if the price of CE goes up to one point ppl will stop buying it because it doesn't worth it anymore
and then u fail badly
This is the most stupid thread. You see, if the price of CE goes up to one point ppl will stop buying it because it doesn't worth it anymore
and then u fail badly
Nice double post mightbes.
It seems you have failed badly.
...the answer to #1 is that it won't work since there's always someone willing to sell for less than you are for virtual goods.
It's likely (and I say likely because as with any economy, it's impossible to accurately predict, since it involves the wildly varied personal motivations of large groups of people) that the inflation is a result of the influx of (a) new players since the game is new (and the resulting crowns and materials produced as loot for said players) and (b) initial cash purchases by the aforementioned new players. Forces A and B are countered by (among other things) (c) money sinks: vendor-bought items, particularly of the time-delimited kind, like trinket and weapon slots, and (d) the undercut principle: players selling virtual items at no real cost to themselves (aside from time spend playing a game they enjoy or real money that is already spent) are more likely to undercut the going rate for said item.
As the game ages, the rate of increase of A and B are guaranteed to slow (but hopefully not stop), while the rates of increase of C and D will either remain steady or increase. There's other factors at work, of course, but the point is without some form of actual control, individuals are mostly unable to affect these variables, and it's virtually impossible to amass the number of individuals necessary to affect them for more than a temporary bump, during which you'll have to continually fuel the effort with real dollars.
Since people are beginning to whine again
Lets get some more support behind this
5 - 7k per 100ce is completely reasonable
quit bitching

what? There was a discussion thread active about CE prices. Not much whining there though.

Im sure 10k would make everyones life so much nicer =D
Nothing in life is free. Nothing. Today you have learned a valuable lesson.

2 things:
A) Do runs and hog ce if you want to inflate the price. The Selling thing is a nice idea but it doesnt really matter if you sell it at 6k or not at all. Buying up CE is required. Efficiently this could be done by only joining later half of T2/T3 runs for faster and more CE efficient Crown payout.
B) My guess is 3Rings would rather inject CE into the market via the exchange than deny T1 people the option to buy CE for the crowns their run netted em. Because people barely breaking even (=standstill) while being fully soaked in is better than people who have to play an hour a day and slowly progress steadily. But hey it's called a speculation. You cant actually prove 3rings just served 500offers to buy ce. You can't even tell it if it's done in a steady process or if you seriously consider a group of rich players hogging crowns.
So yeah, do what you have fun with, I don't think the impact will be so huge as to impact me much. (I'm t3 and have faith in 3rings to keep new players coming and the game a success.)

Nice necro, moonsoon. Fortunately for me, I just managed to hit the point where weekly sways in the market won't influence how I play.
I'm glad, too.
@Njthug Dude, are you insane? What about all the newer players that want to play the game a little longer everyday? Why not just give them a break and keep the CE prices at around the 3900-4000 Price range?
I spent about 2x's that today on some clothes its life. Spending the amount I did in this game does not affect me at all it amuses me that people care about my spending habits more than my parents or myself.
Nice job, bragging about spending a large amount of what is apparently your parents' money. Nothing impresses me more than when people blow away on useless stuff money that they haven't earned themselves.

First I want to point this out:
@Dorael - I posted this to show how pointless these topics are just let the market run its course.
(Most players realized this topic was a joke, basically let the market run its course us wasting time moaning on forums wont help)
#2 Look when I posted this (It was mainly when all those ce price threads were hitting up the forums)
@1Diono - Lets watch the insults on the forums your clearly breaking some of the rules:
Be respectful and polite. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right. Bans on the forums are permanent! Personal attacks--anything intended to insult or belittle another person. - Foul and offensive language, the forums should reflect the same standards as the game. If it's filtered in the game, then it should be filtered on the forums. Why not call those greedy players you Greedy Donald Trumps instead?
@TheHoly - This post was not serious at all just basically why not show both views? And, well let the market run its course. It was made during the whole lets lower the ce prices and all those ce threads about a month ago.
@Kalielle - Thanks for taking a personal shot at me try not to break the forum rules =). Well this is how I make my money:
1. I wear a black ski mask 2. Go into a bank and rob them 3. I come back to my place and use the money I just robbed from the bank on pointless stuff like Sk. So you can be impressed I earn all my money by doing just working hard and robbing banks =).
So who wants to slice of Apple Pie?
So since $400 isn't a lot of money to you...
Do you wanna be my sugar daddy? I'll take 1k CE a day.

You want a [heavens to Betsy] medal? Lol.
Oh, so you're the idiot who made this game inaccessible for new players and is soon to make running the clockworks at all result in a net loss of crowns.
Kudos for breaking the system :P

Why to stop at 6.5K? let's raise it to 9K, if it was possible in beta, it can be done again.
Are you sure you're not making the exact same argument the other side is but in reverse? I think you underestimate how many people there are out there.
This reminds of the good times in YPP where people tried to crash a market. Those were really fun days. Now would be the best time to pull off any shenanigans though while the game is young and most people don't have a clue but things will stabilize in a week or two to whatever it should be, regardless of what a few people try to do.
Good luck and have fun.