Spiral Knights - Very Important: KNOW WHAT TEIR YOU'RE IN

Very Important: KNOW WHAT TEIR YOU'RE IN

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Thu, 01/26/2012 - 20:36

Nechrome

Now, you may think that this is a useless thread, but it is actually really important. I can't remember how many times one of my T1 noob friends joined my in the JK palace... and died instantly. Or when I accidentaly joined my friend in T3 with T2 armor... and got kicked, and tried to solo. Most fail SK moment in my life.

For those really new players, I'll give a brief intro as to what Teirs are.

The Clockworks has 29 depths in it, or levels. The levels are grouped into stratums, and the stratums are grouped into tiers. There are 3 tiers total: Tier 1, for really new players, hold stratums 1 and 2, from depth 0-8. Tier 2 is for average players, and holds stratums 3 and 4, from depth 9-17. tier 3, for the most advanced players, hold the 5th and 6th stratums, from depth 18-29. THe more tiers you progress, the more difficult everything gets. Mnosters have more HP, everything does more damage, and your weapons from the previous teir are pretty much useless.

Now, this is very important. Because you don't want to be in T1 and end up in T3 and die.

There's one guy I know, I'll call him bob. He had a friend, lets say, ben. Bob was doing a FSC run with some guildies, when his friend Ben asked him if he could join. Bob assumed that since Ben wanted to join, he was T3. But when he joined, to Bob's dismay, he was a T1 nub with a few 2* gears, but mostly 1*. Ben died almost instantly, and left.

^true story. very true. Pretty recentish.

So, basically, be aware of what tier you're in. It can be a matter of (virtual) life and death.

Thought's and comments?

EDIT: Okay, Iron, I've fixed all the tiers.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 21:09

Traevelliath

Yes!

You forgot the most important piece of advice above all else:

Tiers exist for a reason! Do not try to rush through to the next tier! You will only hurt yourself!

If you have full Ash Tail, a Faust, and a Dark Thorn Shield, don't try to hop into an FSC party the second you gain tier 3 clearance. It is far better, crowns wise, to simply stay with the JK until you have better equipment instead of wasting time/money on energy revs. Likewise with going from Snarby to JK.

The deeper you go, the harder and harder it is to simply brute force your way through everything. In tier 1, walking into spikes does less than half a pip of health. In tier 3, walking over spikes takes off a third of your health when you have a +12 vitapod. Going into tier 2 with a tier 1 mindset is a recipe for energy revs. Likewise with going into tier 3 from tier 2.

Above all else, saying "But I have killed Vanaduke before with a friend! I can hold my own in Firestorm Citadel!" while wearing full Dusker, swinging around an avenger and Kilowatt Pulsar, is the most irritating thing you could possibly say to me. If you do, I will reach through this computer, grab your tongue, rip it out of your mouth, and then hang you with it on the nearest lamp post. This is NOT an excuse to get into an FSC run.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 21:21

Demonicsothe

If you have full Ash Tail, a

If you have full Ash Tail, a Faust, and a Dark Thorn Shield, don't try to hop into an FSC party the second you gain tier 3 clearance.

Wut. If you are confident, definately go in 4* armour. As long as you bring appropriate weapons. I'm against the mindset of "proper equip for the right tier." I believe in skill, not what defence you have. The only place I believe that applies is with shields. Otherwise, great post.

@Trae: I won't say it, but I have done it. Whats wrong with avenger? Is my pulsar, when used on turrets, a terrible thing? What if I know how to move around shadow fire? Why would my dusker matter then?

You, and people who do that, are why I go solo to learn and practice fsc.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 21:44

Traevelliath

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"@Trae: I won't say it, but I have done it. Whats wrong with avenger? Is my pulsar, when used on turrets, a terrible thing? What if I know how to move around shadow fire? Why would my dusker matter then?"

I did purposeful put Kilowatt Pulsar(3*) not Gigawatt Pulsar(4*). In addition, Avenger isn't bad, but relying on it for everything is a bit iffy in my books. I was talking more about using a past run with a friend as justification for hopping in.

Yes, I can pray for every person in FSC that is wearing Tier 2 armor to be a pro in disguise, but doing so would leave me in a very depressed mood by the end of the run. The exception does not prove the rule, and saying you have done it doesn't mean every guy in FSC wearing Dusker is like you.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 22:01

Demonicsothe

Actually, I havn't done it in

Actually, I havn't done it in dusker :3 Ashtail, but no dusker. Relying on avenger is the safest way for such a player you describe to do fsc. Normal combos are iffy, doesn't always interrupt fast enough to avoid hits. Sure it makes soloing fsc take up to an hour and a half... >.> But safe.

Teach them, why not? If they continue to do bad because they don't listen, or rage, or w/e, they aren't players you want to play with anyways. No need to assume that ever T2 equipment-clad knight is a terribad noob, just like how assuming every such player is a pro, will end in heartache.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 22:10

Iron-Volvametal

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Teir?

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 22:52

Traevelliath

@Demonicsothe

"Actually, I havn't done it in dusker :3 Ashtail, but no dusker."
At least it makes sense to do it in Ashtail not Dusker. I just hate it when people hop to FSC in their first taste of Tier 3, expecting it to be just like the RJP. Admittedly, I did my first FSC run in Sunset Stetson/Duster with a Gigawatt Pulsar, Strike Needle, and Blizzbrand... But that's the thing, I spent quite a while farming for that Strike Needle and Blizzbrand. I didn't just assume that the gear I used in the RJP would work in FSC, which I have seen a lot of people do.

Although this really just pisses me off because of a few select imbeciles that shall remain unamed, yet would constantly join me whenever I was in FSC. One wore a Seraphic Helm and Rocky jelly mail, another went full Rocky Jelly, and the final is the previously mentioned Dusker. I asked the same two questions to all of them and the response was unanimous:
Me: "Don't you have any other gear that would be better for FSC?"
Response: "No, this is the best I got"
Me: "Why not farm Tier 2 bosses a bit for better gear instead of dying every few steps?"
Response: "Why would I? FSC is tier 3 and gives more crowns you noob!"

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My thoughts could be best summed up with what I said before... "I will reach through this computer, grab your tongue, rip it out of your mouth, and then hang you with it on the nearest lamp post. This is NOT an excuse to get into an FSC run."

Oh but it is not just the ones mentioned above! I have had similar cases scattered across several weeks. I fondly remember a guy wearing full proto (weapons and all) yet Vog as a Costume because his Wise Owlite Shield needed heat and his Vog was only lvl 7 (The best we could do is convince him to equip his DA instead of a Proto sword). Another called me an elitist a**hole when I told him I was going up before Vana because he had invited his friend in Full Wolver armed with 3* Calibur and a Blaster (our Shiver had left already for the same reason).

As a result, I have given up on making myself think that the next guy who joins knows what he is doing. It's better to assume something is terrible only to be pleasantly surprised when it proves itself otherwise, than to assume everything will be perfect only for the world to fall apart around you.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 22:56

Demonicsothe

You need more cake, cookies, hugs, and hearts in your life.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 23:16

Traevelliath

Yes

@Demonicsothe

Yeah sure

Fri, 01/27/2012 - 00:20

Darkbrady

Just to point out that gear

Just to point out that gear isn't restrictive to tier level abilities. You can very well kill Vana is 2* gear; it's about playerskill more than gear. It's generally better to class yourself based on the highest level of gear you've crafted (not own) than what you're currently wearing, then multiple that by time played.

your weapons from the previous teir are pretty much useless.

Not so much, since weapon scaling does exist; they're not as good as higher geared weapons, but by no means useless.

Everything I have to say about this thread really, with the exception on the point itself; to the noobles:
if you aren't able to solo FSC yet, then pay attention to what floors, bosses and tiers you can do. Remember that joining your higher level buddy makes his work harder simply by you being there, much less any mistakes you make, so keep that in consideration.

Fri, 01/27/2012 - 16:42

#10

Az-Rel

bunnies and kittens

this reminds me of a fabulous and happy story.

i was happyly walking tru FSC and i get an invite so i go all o was thoughtfull and happy surprice so i finish getting smashed by vana♥
and run joyfully to the company of this friend, then to my surpice i find a 4-5 stars guy, i go all oh joyfull day an easy 2 man run.
then he goes to hug a lumber wich proceed to smach him to the floor. I think o poor soul must be lagging i procees to rev him.

he informs me that this is his 3rt time on royal jelly, i get confuzled. a guy with a DA that didnt farm jellies to get it ... nice.
then i prosed to die and i notice that his rev cost is 330 ce, he was obiously a noob p2p player that also had to solo the royal jelly.
that mainly because i died 3 times :P and I never go down a level if my rev price is more than 40 and im not incredibly sure ill not die.
he logged of minutes after.

moral of the story no matter the gear that guy can really suck unless u know him it would be better to not allow the entry or go solo.
unless u are that pro.

Fri, 01/27/2012 - 17:59

#11

Wolfkit

The fact that I use a wolver

The fact that I use a wolver set as costume probably gives some players heart attacks when I join in T3.

Fri, 01/27/2012 - 18:11

#12

Fehzor

Nonsense, I played through

Nonsense, I played through FSC in my 2* armor just fine when I was t2.

Fri, 01/27/2012 - 18:26

#13

Iron-Volvametal

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I'm Surprised he hasn't Fixed "Teir" to "Tier," yet...

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 18:37

#14

Dirigible

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So I've recently joined tear 3, and I've got to say, it's probably the hardest tear. Oh wait, it is because it's the last tear.

Every monster, when dealing status, gives it for around 7 seconds. Fire, when it hits, does around 1.5 health bar things per second, so after 7 seconds, almost all of my health bar is gone.

I tried soloing FSC for the first million times I played tear 3, and I lagged so much that I ragequit every time, exiting with less crowns than I started. Only after did I learn the power of groups, and that without teammates, I would die every time and only lose monies.

I've tried fighting Vanaduke twice with a group, but our combined strength could not best him past his last stage; I don't have any good guns or "shivermist busters" yet.

Moral of the story: Don't start a new tear alone, and don't fight the endgame boss until after you've gotten sufficient gear/skillz.

P. S. Did that post annoy Iron enough?

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 20:01

#15

Traevelliath

Costume

@Wolfkit Well I don't mind a costume. I mind when its misleading and you have full inspect off though, but not as much as wearing wolver in FSC.

Most of the time I can tell because I see a Wolver Cap/Coat or Proto Gear with like 5 accessories.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:32

#16

Legendsmade

I went to T3 and soloed the

I went to T3 and soloed the first floor with taking minimal damage

I have 3 star gear.

Mon, 01/30/2012 - 14:42

#17

Iron-Volvametal

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"P. S. Did that post annoy Iron enough?"

Nope.
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