It'd be hard for them to make direct trades for MORE if unwitting people still use the energy depot and sell at the cap.

I honestly don't care that the prices are rising. I know that sounds strange, but I don't. I usually only use mist for elevators and CE for crafting anyway, so it hasn't really affected me. Plus, I find that the 100 mist limit is actually a good thing for me since it keeps me from playing for hours on end. Eventually OOO will do a promotion and prices will drop, but until then, I'm not really complaining.

There's nothing to fix. The payout for FSC is intended. It's the hardest F2P content in the game at the moment, 5 levels of a brutal gauntlet ending with a highly difficult boss fight (to most people). I'd say the crowns/tokens/mats are of fair proportion.

"Fsc is the hardest f2p content"

You are always good for a laugh, tammy. The only p2p content is CH, and it was only hard becase people havn't fought new monstrs before. Have you attemtped shadow lairs with your 50k ce?

Fsc is the hardest, is simply not true. Strat 6 shock fiends? Shock fien arenas?

Capping the CE --> crowns trade would be a great way to kill the entire system. You're basically forcing players to either 1) knowingly make a bad deal or 2) circumvent the system through direct trades.

Problem is that there are WAY too many F2P players in the game. You need CE to get far in this game, and F2P players are, well just a huge drain. P2P players do everything these guys do too, and better since we contribute to the game's economy. Blame the F2P players. I remembered I first started this game with 4k per 100 CE. That was the highest it went. Then more F2P scrubs started showing up and jacking up the CE prices. Damn you F2P players. Please get out of this game. NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE.

what exactly do u consider f2p player?

ive bought an elevator pass and i believe that i buy more CE on a daily basis than people without passes

also if CE prices are low, none of u p2p players can make good use of CE by selling it. im just going to conclude, that youre a f2p player yourself, otherwise u wouldnt want prices to go down. only f2p players want low CE prices

thats the outcome if we talk about rich and poor only and nothing inbetween. if u want it simple, thats okay, just dont forget to think about where you stand before starting to point fingers like that:"Then more F2P scrubs started showing up and jacking up the CE prices. Damn you F2P players. Please get out of this game. NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE."

I love how so many of us sound like a high school level economy class. :,D And to the original poster of this, please, before you post anything like this again, go read the other hundred posts out there complaining only to be put into their place about the situation. Wait until the next event comes around, prices will drop, buy up energy then and sell it out when it gets high like this again. Easy money maker.

I still believe you can put any cap you want, people will just spam chat/trades to sell at wahtever prices they want.

It's not that hard to find people willing to buy energy at any haven RIGHT NOW, imagine after this.... sure the system will be operated manually and slowler, but still most people will prefer that way of gaining huge proftis than accepting the lower cap.

There might be some lost souls that will ocasionally help with cap-approved deals but they wont be enough to supply all the players.
In fact, they may get ripped-off by ludicrous resellers.

It's certainly been higher than this before, so anyone who panics are just too "young" to know what will happen next. A promo will come and push the price down again, then it will steadily rise once more, and so the ebb and flow of the CE market goes. Some people just need to have more of a Que Sera, Sera mentality.

Solution, more mist per day.

Give us 1k in mist a day, rather than a puny 100.

We could change Vise's unbinding fee to crowns instead of energy (or just a part of it) since supply depot energy prices are higher than the unbind fees.
This would create a crown sink while also getting rid of an energy sink.

I am a 100% F2P, but I acutally don't mind the CE price right now. To me, the important thing is how our ability to make crowns compare to the CE price.

Before the mission system, we can make 6-7k from a JK run, purely on mist, plus 700cr for the tokens. If you get a shortcut then you can do it twice and make a fair bit more. Back then the CE price is around 6k, which means you get to convert your 100 mist to 100 CE each day, with a little profit left. When the CE price went to near 6.8k I complained about it.

With the first batch of mission system, once you get to 5-2 (Rise or Fall) you can get 2.8-3.4k each run, and you can do it 3 times purely on mist. If you get a shortcut directly to the arena (gives around 2k) then you can make a bit more. That's 8-10k each day, and again you can convert your 100 mist to 100 CE each day with a little profit left.

For long time players there are even more profitable missions to farm. For new players, it would be hard to get CE before they gain access to 5-2, but the mission system also gives them basic items as rewards, which helps by reducing the amount of CE new players need to use. They of course will need to craft non-normal items as they enter T2, but by then they are not very far away from 5-2.

The CE price has risen, but so has our ability to make crowns. I think CE price is fine, for now.

But that thread with people who seek to rise the price to over 10k, well, they are jerks. Drive off the F2P and the whole dual currency system collapses.

Of course, the raising energy price has confused me (from when i last logged on ages ago it was only around 4.5k) up to this 7.5k mockery. This i guess is a double edged sword, that the players are helping OOO get more money than they think, making energy bought more often with real life cash as the market price raises and makes CE more valuble. However this drives away alot of players that get frustrated, qq, or just simply give up on spiralknights because they arnt bothered to grind 7.5 crowns. I have thought also about quitting spiral knights just until a promo arrives and energy prices drop, however that other thread suggesting that energy should be raised is a trolling attempt (In my eyes) and the starter has no life wasting his time like that just to anger a few hundred F2Ps. Kind of sad, really

Simply because price ceilings almost never have the effect the creators wanted. I'm not going to make any claim to mastery of economics, but that seems like a fairly simple assertion to draw from what I do know.

Aside from that I'm in agreement with Evilnut. My demands are that I'm having fun and making a slight profit, which currently (it's a good thing Rise or Fall has yet to bore me) are being met. Once it hits 80/unit or higher then we have a problem, since then you're looking at only the FSC runners making any progress.