Patch Notes - May 16, 2012

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Asukalan

"Levels
- Fixed an issue in FSC Charred Court and the Shadow Lair where players could die while talking to the Nature Sprite.
- Crown and heat payouts have received further balancing, most notably in the Ironclaw Munitions Factory.

Bugfixes
- Fixed collision in a level that allowed players and monsters to leave the playable area.
- Valiance's knock-back has been reverted.
- Fixed a rare bug that could cause a party to get stuck on the elevator when someone joined."

Crowwkd
yet another

yet another lame patch congrats OOO

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Asukalan
I wonder what they mean by

I wonder what they mean by "fixing sprite bug where player could die while talking"

Did they made us able to cancel the talk? Or they made you invulnerable while you talk? If its the second i think its just stupid way of fixing this problem and will just cause more hassle, like players talking on purpose just to aviod death, if they did it this way, they just made new exploit by themselfs.

"Crown and heat payouts have received further balancing, most notably in the Ironclaw Munitions Factory." And of course, why not, another fresh portion of crown and heat nerfs, everything to make players more poor and force them to buy more CE for $$$

"Fixed collision in a level that allowed players and monsters to leave the playable area." No more flying wolvers.

Yet, many of old bugs still not fixed. And of course a 6 page petition to make players have equal rights just like the new players is completely ignored again.

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Erridunno
Omfg no offence to the people

Omfg no offence to the people who like copy and pasting these patch notes in for the extra little bit of attention but Seriously? I mean maybe its worth it if a promo item is released but with mini patched like this which are hardly noticeable its just stupid to bother discussing. Please stop posting all the mini updates onto general discussion, its very annoying and very pointless!

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Asukalan
Yeah, informing community

Yeah, informing community about another so called "balance" in crown payout is really pointless. So do is community feedback. We cant comment notes in announcement section.

Halifix
Once again, people are angry

Once again, people are angry because they patched. Clearly, they should patch only once every month.

Asukalan is a special case, though. I wonder, what occupation are you? You seem to take great pleasure from negativity. And I'm pretty sure they increased the payout of IMF.

Crowwkd
well

well we need to let OOO no how we feel about these lame updates,even though i dont think they even listen to a word of what is said

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Golgomath
@Asukalan: The sprite bug

@Asukalan: The sprite bug happened to me, it basically was when you would talk to the sprite and your controls would be disabled until the conversation was done. This would be hell if the zombies were surrounding you. You can only talk to the sprite once (I think, not sure) so it would only be exploited once max. Not enough for a major exploit.

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Thimol
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yet another lame patch congrats OOO

every patch has to have MAR STUFFZ!!LHAUIJ
Shut up please.

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Juances
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@Erridunno In theory, it would be better if someone copies the patch notes and all the discussions/rants about it go on that topic. It's a way to avoid 10x threads about the same update. But ya, it never works.

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Asukalan
Golgomath, hope you are right

Golgomath, hope you are right that they will fix it that you can talk only once to the sprite.

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Byas
I liked this update, those

I liked this update, those bugs were a pain in the butt. The only negative thing that I see is the Twins nerf, they didn't need a nerf... every one prefer JK runs already because of twin's low payout.

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Nick
Developer
The IMF's payout was

The IMF's payout was increased.

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Njthug
"Crown and heat payouts have

"Crown and heat payouts have received further balancing, most notably in the Ironclaw Munitions Factory." And of course, why not, another fresh portion of crown and heat nerfs, everything to make players more poor and force them to buy more CE for $$$

^

Now don't you feel silly for saying that =0

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Tersakaff
Rejoice!

Rejoice!

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Murderbot
lovely

well at least we know they are doing something

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Repartee
Hey, hey. You should stage a protest too.

"And of course, why not, another fresh portion of crown and heat nerfs, everything to make players more poor and force them to buy more CE for $$$"
-Asukalan

"The IMF's payout was increased."
-Nick

Pardon me while I bring up an appropriate response for this thread.

Ahahahahahaha!!! AAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Man. You guys bring me mirth all day long.

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Byas
Finally a "Crown and heat

Finally a "Crown and heat payouts have received further balancing" that doesn't mean nerf. :P
Now that Nick explained it I can say that I liked 100% of this patch, not just some parts.

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Vaclavv
Post Review: Repartee

5/5 stars, would read and watch again

Two thumbs way up.

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Asukalan
Because devs always did what

Because devs always did what they wrote in patches and they intended to do and never changed anything in 'last minute' (yes, the "buyable with CE" changed to "avaliable with purchase" Expanion Missions)

And also, "crown and heat payouts have received further balancing, most notably in the Ironclaw Munitions Factory."

While the IMF is most noticable change, we dont know what else was changed. OOO just admitted that they increased payout in IMF not mentioning all those "not notable" levels. Why? Maybe because all other lvls payout was lowered a little, so we wont notice it (with a plan of lowering it even further) and increasing IMF payout is just to distract us.

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Sodaaddict
I would much rather have

I would much rather have small updates that fix a few bugs every week than large updates that fix many bugs once a month.

As to the IMF payout increase, I like the spirit of that! IMF is rarely played as it is, anything to get more people running it would be nice.

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Aumir
+1 OOO

Thank you for this patch, OOO. It may not be new content, but I was always annoyed that IMF gave in comparison to RJP much less crown payout, being also my favorite dungeon and the one I think fits more this game (puzzle+fighting=90% true Zelda-like experience). As well as those fixes.

Folks, rebalancing isn't always nerfing, just ask instead of overreact. Remember the equipment patch.

(And yes, I would like more "active" puzzle dungeons, like the missile ones in IMF. Roarmulus twins is my favourite boss, minus Vana last phase with having to deal with fire mazes when solo. In fact, I noticed that new RJ is more puzzle like instead of combat because of the "healing" slime turrets... so the game is going more into good zelda-like boss fights, and proof of that is also the Battlepods. That is also why I am so expectating of possible new content like that.)

Fast edit: Well, even better. We can ask "hey Nick, what are the levels changing?" Why he wouldn't answer? I wish those Concrete Jungle levels got better.

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Repartee
$25 for 500 sq. ft.

I uploaded this just for you. It's how I show my love.

Edit: Also, if you have some empirical evidence that supports your statement that ALL other payouts other than the one EXPLICITLY stated have been changed I would love to see it. Preferably in a spreadsheet format.

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Asukalan
Wow, i wasnt yet in FSC but

Wow, i wasnt yet in FSC but from what i heard they fixed "sprite mother talk" bug by just... placing that NPC in other place ._.

Simplicity? Or maybe just a cheap trick to avoid the problem instead of fixing it?

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Aumir
wat

Or maybe just something that fixes the problem? Why are you complaining? o_o

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Asukalan
Yeah, was waiting for tinfoil

Yeah, was waiting for tinfoil hat references. The name that is given to those who actually thing by themselfs and dont take all official crap without thinking, pretending for their own comfort that everyone are honest, loyal and are always telling truth.

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Vaclavv
Really now?

Occam's Razor man... Sometimes the best solution is the simplest one...

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Repartee
Asukalan

Also people who blatantly throw out inferences to things without proper documentation and research are called liars.

That's crazy right? Yeah. It's crazy.

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Vtmoon
Depth 26 in FSC changes. I

Depth 26 in FSC changes.

I don't understand why they added a party button on the left side before getting to the room with the 4 buttons in the corner.

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Asukalan
Here we go, stealth patches.

Here we go, stealth patches.

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Aumir
@Vtmoon

That is because zombies kept jumping through the barrier if it is where I think it is.

@Asukalan: Yeah, stealth patches that make a better game.

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Hexzyle
@Aumir

No, so many spawn that they have to spawn outside the barrier in order to fit

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Asukalan
"zombies kept jumping through

"zombies kept jumping through the barrier" Why wont they fix that barrier or zombie jump mechanics instead of puting gate there? Its like putting a bowl under a leaky roof instead of fixing the roof. Same with sprite talk thing, instead of fixing it they just put sprite in other place, but the problem is still there.

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Xylka-Mkii
"Here we go, stealth

"Here we go, stealth patches."

Sad to say, but this rage has become the new CE Price Rage threads.

To believe its gotten this bad.
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Well, I'm done here. I'll be waiting for the next batch of missions for Shadow Lairs only and more on the playable content of the game.

See yah here and in suggestions, cus I want to toss out a new boss idea just because I have absolutely nothing better to do; but for now, I'm gettin some food.

EDIT: Sure the patches make the game better, but we've had enough secrecy for now i think.

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Asukalan
Bon apetit.

Bon apetit.

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Thalia
Game Master
To clarify: The reason for

To clarify: The reason for the additional group pad has nothing to do with zombies, it's there to prevent players from taking the gold key hostage, causing the rest of their party to get stuck on purpose. (Yes, unfortunately some folks are getting quite creative when it comes to griefing their fellow knights). This was a last minute fix, since the problem was reported close to release time and thus the change didn't make it into the release notes in time.

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Rommil
Asukalan

Why not just leave the game? Your endless negativity is overboard, to the point you have become a caricature of a person. If you are so endlessly disappointed by everything spiral knights, then just walk away. It clearly brings much more death and despair to your life than happiness. Its probably time you just move on with your life, and wile away your hours with something you might actually enjoy.

I know i rage from time to time, but i also have fun with the game, and post posts that are something other then never ending pessimism and complaints.

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Fehzor
THANK YOU. I appreciate this,

THANK YOU.

I appreciate this, really. This was a good first step towards making the payouts direct players toward fighting all of the content rather than just one level to earn money. Thank you for the knock back, and thank you for the elevator bug. That bug always made me mad, as I like to see what kind of party I'm joining when I am joining a party.

The nature sprite was also good...

To those complaining- "Oak's words echoed... There's a time and place for everything, but not now."

How to know if its time to start complaining on the forum and generating petitions:
-All or most of the community has been greatly hurt financially
-You aren't happy with the amount of content, and the current patch is attempting to get money from you (EG Accessories for the 5th update in a row)
-People who have paid have been cheated of their purchase's potential value (EG Red/Black/White Regalia is being sold, though that would not be bad if it hadn't been for the limited time offer and the nature of such promotions)
-The game is unbalanced, and a large portion of the community feels that it needs to be fixed (EG Big angry bomb/Toothpics in lockdown)

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Jennytheturtle
Thanks for fixing my dear

Thanks for fixing my dear valiance <3

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Trydeth
I like this.

If I am reading this all right then I am very content with this patch. The fixin's in FSC and the payout buff in IMF sound ever so pleasent. From what I am reading, is this new party button after the part where you have to pick one of two paths and decide which way to go and then press a bunch of buttons to access the key in the area? If it is, I do agree a button is nice there. Second question if the first is a yes, is this the case for both sides or just the one on the left that everyone goes? :P

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Traevelliath
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Such negativity!

People rage that IMF gives less crowns. People rage that they keep dying via talking to the sprite. People complain about the Valiance Knockback glitch.

And then when OOO fixes it, people complain that they didn't do anything important?

/sigh

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Toastnaut
Nice patch

I played through the IMF and thought the payout seemed bigger than I was used to. Every second monster was dropping a gold coin. :)

It wasn't too high either, after a full tier 2 run including two arenas and at least one danger room, I came out with 7500 crowns, basically the same as the Royal Jelly gate tends to pay.

I must say I feel like a fool. A guildmate made a joke in guild chat the other day about how negative and whiny Asuka is and I defended the guy, saying that he'd been more reasonable lately because I hadn't seen any ridiculous posts lately.
Now here we are with a minor patch with some great bug fixes and more payout balance and he goes off the deep end again accusing OOO of being greedy, and two-faced, and makes fool of himself suggesting that the patch notes indicated the opposite of what they meant (among other silliness.)

I guess that's what I get for trying to be fair when I know better.

I always have a chuckle when people complain about not being told about minor changes or use the term "stealth patches" as though the community is ENTITLED to be told about everything changed in the game.
Some people have so much difficulty with the difference between PRIVILEGE and RIGHT. It's a privilege that OOO is so forthcoming about specific changes that come in successive builds.
If only forum PRIVILEGES were tied a bit more tightly to conduct...

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Trydeth
@Traev

Its unfortunate isn't it? We've created societal standards of instant gratification and inconsideration instead of patience and compassion. I would know. I work at Walmart.

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Mayaura
about Jelly King

just did it and the payout was over 2800. Also, the healing butterfly in that first level on the left side was gone, which makes it quite a bit easier.

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Shutupnerds
Feh.

Everything about this patch pleases me, though the question remains.

WILL OOO EVER FIX THE STUN GLITCH?

Also flying wolvers were kinda amusing, and theyd usually stay close enough for players to kill them, so im sad about that. But then again, a wolver dropping massive amounts of coins where you cant reach em pretty much destroys the novelty of it.

EDIT: Did IMF mission, payout is about equal to JK now, give or take 100-200 cr.

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Psychodestroyer
I'm in a really bad mood lately.

"yet another lame patch congrats OOO"

Yet another stupid post. Congrats community.

Seriously, it's a goddamn BUGFIX, not a 'lookie here we made a new shiny thing for you all to look at' update.

Shut up and be grateful they bothered to fix the problems NOW than whenever they decide that they're gonna release new content in a form you'd rage at ANYWAY.

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Serell
^

That. Yes.

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Griseolar
"Shut up and be grateful they

"Shut up and be grateful they bothered to fix the problems NOW than whenever they decide that they're gonna release new content in a form you'd rage at ANYWAY."

You'd think he/she/it would know that by now if he/she/it had at least 2 brain cells to rub together. So much negativity and yet he/she/it is still regularly coming back to the forums to flame and maybe even still playing SK. Masochistic much?

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Shoebox
This whole thread could have

This whole thread could have been avoided if they just made the patch notes more concise.

'we balanced your payouts, specifically in IMF'

'We increased the payouts in IMF'

So difficult.

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Jennytheturtle
oh chill people. geebus

oh chill people. geebus

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Asukalan
"This whole thread could have

"This whole thread could have been avoided if they just made the patch notes more concise."

Or even if they would list all levles where they did balancing and stuff, it would show that OOO dont have anything to hide from us, that they are honest with us and trustworthy.

But no, they want to keep things to themselfs, maybe because they dont care about informing us or maybe because they really have something to hide?