I'm speaking for pretty much F2P users in general and for the benefit of the actual game,.....

/laugh@noobwhodunknowanything

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Tell me, what do you honestly think you know about the game after playing for 3 days? Do you even know why the prices are that high? Do you know how the price drops? Do you know What CE/Crown sinks are?

If you don't like it, then leave. Ignorant people who think they can fix a game's problem after playing for 3 days are not welcome here.

Making 3* gear on the second or third day is freaking FAST.

Man, really, getting a ton of stuff for free (a lot of which old players don't get a freebie of, like height and eyes - or refunds for recipes they already learned before mission gave another BOUND one), and new players are still complaining.

When I started, we had proto gear, 100 mist per 22h, and arcade. (Yes I know, "up hill, both ways, in snowstorm, at 50C in the shadow", but it's true.)

No missions, no free recipes, no recipes in no missions. You had to go into arcade and hope to find a dusker recipe at Basil, or buy one for at least 150% the normal price from Auction House. You see high prices for Twisted Targe or Polaris recipes now, it was that way for ALL that aren't found at Vatel's. You could even make a small profit finding a wolver coat recipe at Vatel's and selling it on Auction House (because his recipes are random for each player every day). (And don't you recipe sellers come out of the woodworks complaining about a market gone, I wholeheartedly welcome that change, new players don't have the cash to pay those rip-off prices for recipes they need. Heck, I don't care to spend 30+kcr on a 5* recipe, I'll go to visit Basil until I find Barbarous Thorn Shield recipe, no matter how long it takes).

No jumping to JK straight away when you felt like it. You had to go through the stratum above to get there first, or had someone invite you who was there. (Stratum is one half of a tier, above/below terminal where the recipe guy is.) And the first half of any tier doesn't pay all that well compared to the second half.

Now, I haven't seen 3.5kcr for 100ce, I've seen 6kcr when I started, and that still made t1 barely worthwhile. And it was TOUGH to get t2 clearance. Now, you get free 2* stuff, you get t2 clearance without doing anything extra. We went in and hoped for danger rooms (more loot) and waited for arenas (same), in tier 1!

Friend who started on the same day played Blast Network and got good cash that way (I suck at that, btw).

I chatted with folks on town square, found some experts willing to drag me through arcade, even run ahead and invite me later on if they have elevator pass (their offer, I'm happy to go from start). (I try to return some of that now by helping the occasional nice new player with missions, even if those missions aren't profitable for me.)

And it took ages until I had Nightblade. Or Master Blaster, my first 4* (to be then told it's not a good choice, sigh).

You now, you get a breeze compared to that. Be happy with it. Use mist to go on missions. Be patient.

If you're FTP (Free to Play) you get a free game to play. It costs you nothing at all, so what are you complaining about?

Gifted OCH notwithstanding, I'm FTP on my end of the keyboard. No elevator pass, I go on ce when mist is out, did from the start, bought small amounts of ce from people willing to sell them at market price (thanks!). I simply don't have money on internet. And in my never humble opinion, the people that pay real money for ce deserve an overblown price now and then. Yay you (PTP)! I couldn't play this without you. (But I do know I have a purpose too; buying your ce. :) I'm not hoarding cr right now either.)

TL, DR:
You, Lavitzer, always have the option to buy an elevator pass (all elevators will show 0 energy cost then), or buy ce, with real money. As long as you don't, you have no basis to complain as you're playing a free game, and one that gives you tons of freebies as new player coming in just now. Plus easy access to profitable runs.

Whining about an economy in a game you've played two or three days is just annoying.

Whats yutz?

*googles it*

/laugh

Same thing if its 8k. they buy for 6k, sell for 8k. same thing as before happens. They are still making a 2k profit for every 2 clicks.

As for the OP, if to insult me was your intention, you failed miserably. After reading your posts, trying to contribute, and then getting insulted to trying to help you, I would take more offense if you had complimented me. I have no wish whatsoever to be like you, or to be complimented from a (Im removing this part for fear of violating the ToS.) :3

Oh, and in your first post: "Forgive me if Im coming off as an ignorant newbie," You are.

Or those that... just aren't the people who can express themselves without looking stupid.
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IF EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGES IT AS A PROBLEM AND HAS SO FOR YEARS, WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME DERP DERP

I'm not arguing with you. I don't even disagree with you. However, I found that some of your points were simply misinformed so I corrected them. As for everyone else... You will have to ask everyone else.

Also, the game has only been [publicly] released for a year.

I'd rather take a stab at throwing the games problems out there than playing here for years and not doing a single thing. Like I said before, gutless.

I agree. We should make suggestions towards the developers and, if they don't listen, start a petition and no longer buy Crystal Energy until our demands are met.

I dont think this flaw in the game lies with OOO, rather in the way people deal with it.

For example, My alternet account, without any help from my main, reached 5* within a month, the last month, which means you can probably do it too, if you know everything about the game as you claim to do.

it's insanely difficult to the point where most people just leave, leaving only the most hardcore of players to put up with what everyone agrees is a broken economy that runs the game.

It's the other way around.

And I tried so hard to make my posts have decent grammar. D:

Good catch Alynn. *quickly changes post so nobody else notices*

THOUGH, If you want to be a grammar police, then I shall be a spelling police. :P

You spelled skolver as skovler in you previous post. >:P

Well, arent you going to tell me how much those 2 items are worth Mr. Economic-Genius?

I didnt provide any explanation because at this point, you are not capable of understanding them. You need to play for at least a few months and get to know EVERY aspect of the game before trying to discuss it.
You need to stop before people start insulting you in-game. Owait, too late now XD

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:DDD

I cant shoot holes through the mail idea also, but I wont, since you said you dont care about it.

Lets move on.

Nobody has told you P2Pers running the CE market is a good idea. It is the only idea. How can F2Pers run the market? P2Pers are the ones who PUT CE INTO THE GAME!!!

Us F2Pers just buy it from the market. We should be thanking P2Pers for buying CE and putting it into the market to lower the price from the 25k it was before steam release.

WRONG!!! R-O-N-G WRONG!!! (Chowder reference :3)

(Misspelling was obviously on purpose...)

The brandish is worth more. The UV makes it so. Butt buddies? Alynn is in my guild, The Ascendicate.

Pretty damn good guild.

No one has told me that P2Players running the CE market is a good idea, because no one thinks so.

And there is nothing anyone can do about it, aside from the developers. You assume because of this fact that new players are leaving while veterans are profiting. You would be wrong. It is the other way around; veterans are the ones leaving because they no longer want to deal with the system mechanics or dislike the direction the game is heading [of course, this is based off of my observations and what I have been told so take it with a grain of salt. I do not speak on the behalf of every veteran] and the new players are dealing with it because they do not know any "better". The CE market isn't run by paying players, it is run by the obscenely wealthy - the top 1%, if it were.

No amount of complaining, shouting, "poop"flinging, or petitioning is going to change anything, regardless of the validity of the aforementioned. Therefore, if you desire to play the game as well as profit, you are better served hoarding your crowns until the next promotion which usually causes CE prices to drop 1000+ crowns. There is nothing else you CAN do.

Of course, I understand why the system exists, its concept in relation to OOO and profit, and why it should work well [in theory]. However, that is not the direction we went in, which is unfortunate.

No one has told me that P2Players running the CE market is a good idea,
because no one thinks so.
Also, no one told you that because they don't. The player-base as a whole are the ones controlling the market, after all if the F2P don't buy it, the P2P can't sell it (simple offer/demand system). If they get out of control OOO makes a CE promo and everything gets normal.

tl;dr: System is not broken, that's how it was made to be.

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Is widdle lav mad because I repeatedly prove him wrong?