Consider weapon just for jelly palace, opinions?
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 00:49
I'm considering making a weapon just to run jelly king. A 3 star sword. Do you guys think i should make Cautery or Nightsword? Is it worth making a weapon just for him at all even? Just wanted to get a public opinion on it.
Also, i'm leaning towards nightsword just cause it has 4-5 star path off of it. Anyone have a picture of the 5 star night sword? Does it look the same as the 3-4 star ones (because i think they look not too good)?
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:01
#2
Vile Striker/Dread Vile
Vile Striker/Dread Vile Striker, Faust, and the Nightblade series are the best Jelly Palace weapons. Vile poisons him, which is almost essential to beating him, Faust deals additional damage to all slimes and curses, and Nightblade just deals additional damage to all slimes.
Disregard Cautery, if only because it will never be better than Nightblade, while Nightblade goes up to 5-star, now.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:02
#3
Out of all of those swords,
Out of all of those swords, only one is 3-star.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:04
#4
And oddly enough, it's also
And oddly enough, it's also the best choice of all of them.
WHAT A TWIST!
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:07
#5
>Nightblade
>Better than
>Nightblade
>Better than Faust
I think it's safe to disregard Hazel's opinion from now on.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:13
#6
It's the best choice for him
It's the best choice for him because it's three star. I deliberately only offered one three star weapon choice.
The others are what he should go for after he's consistently farming jelly king. (Although, two swing swords are cumbersome and boring, but curse is still neat!)
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:19
#7
If your cap is 3 star then
If your cap is 3 star then Nightblade is probably your best bet since you can later on turn it to a 5* and get a lot more out of it than a cautery sword, all though honestly if you're thinking of "investing" into jelly equipment you might as well just put all your money into a Vile Strike & Faust
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:21
#8
The thing about Vile Striker
The thing about Vile Striker is that it's garbage for absolutely everything else, so his best bet is Nightblade(and later Faust) and to carry poison and fire vials.
You can easily solo Royal Jelly in 4-star gear with no vile striker or faust, though, so it's not a big thing.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:30
#9
Hmmmm. Showbox: "I think it's
Hmmmm.
Shoebox: "I think it's safe to disregard Hazel's opinion from now on."
Well, maybe he was just using hyperbole to state an opinion, I don't necessar......
Hazel: "The thing about Vile Striker is that it's garbage for absolutely everything else..."
o_O......
......O_o
....mental note to self: Shoebox = right, Hazel = automatic post skip.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:28
#10
The thing about Vile Striker
The thing about Vile Striker is that it's garbage for absolutely everything else
There's no reaction face, for what Im feeling right now.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:29
#11
I have a cautery sword and it
I have a cautery sword and it wreaks havoc in the Jelly King throne room and castle. It's really really really cheap to make, and you don't need to buy any of the recipes. I completely recommend it. Also it looks really cool.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:31
#12
The Vile Striker being
The Vile Striker being garbage thing is mostly a reference to it being a Cutter, which is a garbage line of swords.
The poison effect does not counteract cutters being awful, guys. Sorry to burst your bubble!
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:35
#13
The Vile Striker being
The Vile Striker being garbage thing is mostly a reference to it being a Cutter, which is a garbage line of swords.
Oh for the LOVE of all that's HOLY, this isn't just an extreme blanket statement that leaves no room for nuance, but it actually misses anything remotely resembling the truth altogether. Yeah, I was joking before, but I'm really going to take Shoebox's advice now, haha.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:38
#14
For the argument about the
For the argument about the Cautery Sword vs. Nightblade I'll just throw this out there.
The bonus from the shadow damage against Slimes is halved, because half of the damage is normal. So 25% of half your damage is 11.25%, really.
The High Bonus from the Cautery Sword deals something like 12~15% additional damage and it's normal damage, meaning it fits in well with two weapon set-ups because you don't give yourself any unnecessary weakness.
And the damage stacks with the Chroma Set for an Ultra Bonus, for even better damage.
It's charge attack is also a lot nicer for the Jelly King as compared to the Nightblade.
Because I don't think the Nightblade hits in a 360 anymore.
But I can't confirm that since I don't own one.
The only way the Nightblade would be better than the Cautery Sword in Jelly King is if it had a UV against Slimes.
But if somebody here was willing to do some testing that would be nice, I'm not 100% sure.
It'd be strange if a weapon purely for fighting jellies was outclassed by a weapon that had a tiny bit of shadow damage.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:47
#15
Oh for the LOVE of all that's
Oh for the LOVE of all that's HOLY, this isn't just an extreme blanket statement that leaves no room for nuance, but it actually misses anything remotely resembling the truth altogether. Yeah, I was joking before, but I'm really going to take Shoebox's advice now, haha.
Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I misdefined "garbage".
"Sword that is worse than everything else comparable with a minor benefit that still doesn't push it above the rest but makes it just barely a viable weapon".
Let's see here...
List of good general purpose swords:
Leviathan Blade
Divine Avenger/Gran Faust combo
Burst/Nightblade combo(assuming you prefer 3-swing to 2 swing enough to ignore faust's curse, which is silly)
Flourish(never as a singular weapon, but extremely good for everything that doesn't resist it!)
List of swords with exactly one function:
Vile Striker(Jelly King((Outclassed by Faust, but it works well in conjunction with it)))
Hunting Blade(Beast Strata((outclassed in every way by Flourish)))
List of swords that unique and beautiful flowers use:
Cutters
Spurs
Cold Iron Vanquishers
So, in the sword usefulness ranking, Vile Striker barely edges out "things that people use just to be unique".
As for why I suggested Nightblade over Cautery, again, it's mostly just because Nightblade goes up to 5-star now, so it'll have more overall functionality. Cautery's a one-trick pony.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:51
#16
As for why I suggested
As for why I suggested Nightblade over Cautery, again, it's mostly just because Nightblade goes up to 5-star now, so it'll have more overall functionality. Cautery's a one-trick pony.
Vile Striker/Dread Vile Striker, Faust, and the Nightblade series are the best Jelly Palace weapons.
The thing about Vile Striker is that it's garbage for absolutely everything else, so his best bet is Nightblade(and later Faust) and to carry poison and fire vials.
Pretty sure we're just being trolled, guys.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 01:56
#17
Dernit. <_>
Dernit. <_>
Although, it's true that I really don't like the cutter series! Mostly due to my fondness for the three-hit combo swords, though. I'd probably actually put a Dread Vile in my arsenal if I had 5 weapon slots. Or maybe six, so I could have an Alchemer, too.
...come to think of it, I want ten weapon slots.
Anyway, use Cautery Sword if you're just looking for jello pounding.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 03:25
#18
I have a set of plate and
I have a set of plate and stuff for Jelly Palace. Cautery Sword works great and the charge attack is very useful. Just a quick swipe for big damage, no lunging, no projectiles, no shenanigans.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 03:58
#19
Hm
I did some runs today:
Equip: Chroma set lvl 6
Shield: Swiftstrike lvl 6
Sword: Silent Nightblade lvl 7 (UV slime low)
Damage on jelly: 140 normal hit, 170 3rd hit
Damage on king: 120 normal hit, 160 3rd hit, 2xx charge.
Killing jellies was never easier, I rushed the levels like there was no tomorrow.
I felt a bit like a glass cannon after weeks of wearing only plate set, but the speed was nice.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 06:09
#20
If you're dead set on only
If you're dead set on only using only a 3* sword get the Nightblade over Cautery. You're looking at around 15% more damage from the vs Slime:High UV but you get over 30% bonus damage from the shadow damage type (this is 30% extra damage to the total hit, tested using Silent Nightblade).
This is for the 2 areas before Jelly King, of course. For Jelly King I would recommend using a Calibur sword type.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 06:10
#21
Gravity Bomb + Faust
Gravity Bomb + Faust Cleave.
The numbers ~_~
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 06:11
#22
The Jelly King is, for some
The Jelly King is, for some reason, neutral to shadow. And elemental. Instead of weak to shadow like all other jellies in the game.
Kinda silly, since he USED to be weak to shadow.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 08:50
#23
@Magnus
My completely uninformed guess, based on what you're saying here and what I read in the speculation thread (re: Vanaduke), is that the developers decided that "forcing" weapon choices for boss fights wasn't an ideal solution (at least until we have more than 1 boss per tier, anyhow) and pulled the spectrum of resistance/vulnerability closer together on the bosses.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 08:58
#24
better yet spend 3 bucks on
better yet spend 3 bucks on CE and just buy both avenger and faust so u an skip the costs of getting the recipes. theres like 3 ppl selling at 17-20k for avenger in game atm.
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 10:25
#25
@hazel
whoo, I'm a unique and beautiful flower? :D -sometimes uses winmillion-
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 10:27
#26
@magnus
wait what?? when'd that happen, haven't fought him in a while, but he was weak to shadow last I fought him. hnngh, I only ever chose faust cause it was good for him.
..well, I got enough tokens for avenger, and blawkhawk anyway so -shrug-
*don't even want hawk though*
Sa, 04/30/2011 - 12:48
#27
Uh
Actually the king is pretty weak to shadow.
The display is buggy though, sometimes you get yellow numbers, sometimes white.
So, 05/01/2011 - 10:37
#28
spading
I just crafted a Nightblade and a Cautery Sword to compare their damage against the Royal Jelly. Both swords made it to level 5 by the time I got to B17.
First hit of the Nightblade's combo did 74 damage
First hit of Cautery Sword's combo did 64 damage
This is consistent with what I noticed (but did not record exact numbers for) throughout the slime stages before the boss. The Nightblade's shadow damage is significantly more powerful than the Cautery Sword's bonus vs Slime.
Now what am I going to do with these swords :|
So, 05/01/2011 - 10:51
#29
Vend the cautery sword and
Vend the cautery sword and upgrade the nightblade to an acheron. >D
As for vile striker/dread venom striker, the poison is useful in multiple situations and the cutter class itself gives excellent mobility for those who can use it. My friend swears by it, dancing around mobs of slower moving enemies even in tier 3 and chasing down kats and wolvers if they decide to wander away.
So, 05/01/2011 - 11:13
#30
Cutter series
Dread Venom Striker, all day erry day. The poison effect really helps if you have a bad team, and coupled with a Faust + fire-status inflicting weapon (if you have the weapon slot) means easy soloing.
So, 05/01/2011 - 18:12
#31
Guys, don't just bash the
Guys, don't just bash the cutter line by just completely ignoring all of its advantages.
Yes, It doesn't do as much damage per hit, but guess what? It's faster! I do more DPS with my vile striker than I ever do with my Faust.
However, the real strength is the quick animations and low recovery rate. You start and end your swings basically instantaneously, meaning you very rarely are unable to defend yourself.
What that means, is that it's usually me that's running flawlessly and rezzing all the faust-wielders.
If you guys want to make fun of my sword I'm totally cool with it, as long as you keep giving me your heat.
So, 05/01/2011 - 21:16
#32
There's been about ten
There's been about ten thousand threads about cutters versus everything else.
If you're having to resurrect faust users, they're awful. Plain and simple. 2-swing swords are purely defensive weapons that are almost impossible to use wrong. A faust user, doing single-swing-block or early combo start -> knock down 2nd swing -> dodge will do higher DPS with less risk of damage than any sort of cutter user, if doing it right.
Anyway, Lobster basically conclusively proved my earlier point about Nightblade being better in every way than Cautery. So, for a pre-Sealed, 3-star Jelly King weapon, use Nightblade.
The Cautery Sword is a good weapon just for the Jelly King, but you can also get the Chroma Set which adds damage vs. Slimes.
You'll find yourself farming him later on to get two Sealed Swords and maybe and Antigua for T3, anyway, so anything you invest in now will just help you when you hit T3 later.