Depends on their code if it'd be an easy or a hard thing to fix.

That just shows how little you know about programming.

All they would need to do is make it so that when an enemy is successfully stunned it puts them into a 'stunned' animation state, cancelling all other animations for a short while.
Just like every other god damn game on the planet.

I think it's pretty obvious if you've ever played a fighting game that cancelling frames is called the COMBO system, which is effectively what the stun status is inadvertently doing. Cancelling the active frames of an attack so that they can immediately restart their attack.

Simple fix.

Darn it, I should add you to the friend list. Yes, almost all programming is like that unless you have a good setup. You see, a game is really complicated when it gets down to the core code, so chances are changing A will change R, G, and B. (LOL I dare you get what I just made a pun of) You can't say it would be an easy fix unless YOU have fixed it yourself/have had hard, long look at your code.

I do agree, all the same. It needs a fix, VERY soon. Along with that, I really really wish I could have my crystal bomb be a splinter bomb. Why? My crystal bomb has a beast VH on it, which not only is now a crap UV, it is now a CRAPPY SNARBY SL BOMB!! *sobs* I even contacted support, asking them to swap the bomb, but they said no. (Reason: it would take too long.) :\ Heck I've had that bomb sense I became 3*. MY PLANS! RUINED!

That wouldn't fix it, since being frozen doesn't cancel performing actions. All it would do is stick enemies firmly in place making it even harder to get out of a group of stunned monsters alive.

Yes. Why spend time coding a new bomb that will deal stun, when they could have spent that time first fixing stun so the bomb isn't a death trap? .-.
Or at least give us the option to turn it off....

Am I the only one who's never had any real problems with stun? My first 5* was Callahan, I've used Stagger Storm instead of Shiver many times, including UGWW, and stun vials are one of my favorite items (albeit mostly for their incredible knockback, especially while being mobbed), and I've never had many issues with it. Even on Vanaduke, I just could not recreate the stun bugs with Callahan.

Or, it could make things like stagger storm be broken as heck, by keeping enemies in a permanent hitstun state.

But this already happens, it's half the reason stun is broken.
Like I've said before, stun doesn't end the current animation state.

repeatedly re-applied

If the status is applied with damage, no matter how small the amount of damage is, fill the enemy's stun meter and apply stun status.
If they're already stunned and the status is just refreshed, only extend the duration of stun.
Make enemies with higher stun meters proportionally easier to knockback.
So an enemy with no stun meter will only get knocked back a little, but an enemy with a full stun meter while under the stunned status, well get knocked back as if they got shield bumped.
This will reduce the chances of an enemy being repeatedly stunlocked.

All standard stuff already pre-existing in several video games.

But one that you have no idea if it exists in SK.

Do you even play this game at all? It's pretty obvious it does exist.
The final hit of most sword combos, if you've landed the rest of it, will interrupt an enemy's action.
It's easier to do with high ASI on 2-hit weapons, which is why so many people stack ASI with them.

Just get an Ent and whack it a few times with a Heavy Hatchet as it brings its arm back. Instant-proof.
You can repeatedly send Gremlins flying by getting them into that state up against a wall, then switching to a fast attacking weapon. It will just keep ticking over the stun threshold and send them flying constantly.

Have you ever tried to change something in a code without having it affect another?

A job being hard isn't an excuse not to do it.
That's the dumbest crap I've ever heard in my life.
If they get paid to do something, they should do it. If it's too hard for them, they should quit.
Plain and simple.

then they had that in mind when they designed it.

Ordinarily I would agree with you.
But considering this game's track record, I severely doubt they had anything in mind when they designed, well, anything in this entire game.
I'm pretty sure they've just been making it up as they go along.

I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as a "stun meter". There is a stun timer, stun resistance, and stun immunity.

And shoebox, yes I know what hitstun is. Try using a blitz charge on a zombie thats about to jump, it will interrupt its attack. It will also interrupt its forward movement as well. (It's also just as easy to with damage, as you will frequently cross that threshold with the increased damage each attack does.)

I'm starting to think you're just trying to pick my statements apart just to defend yourself.

A job being hard isn't an excuse not to do it.

That still doesn't make it any easier to actually do. As I've said before, we don't have access to the source code of the game, so we can't actually say if something is, or isn't possible with the current system they have. That doesn't mean that its too hard. However, just tossing out ideas and acting like they are possible to do is silly. I've said it before I'll say it again, Easy to say, Hard to do. (Again, if it was easy to fix, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY. The lack of a fix for this says to me that its not exactly an easy thing to fix. Also, its likely easier for them to code in new things with the new art assets, then it is to go about changing a pre-existing dynamic that affects a good deal of stuff. I mean, if they do implent the hitstun, you realize that enemy stun would also be incredibly harmful, as much as sleep was. [sleep made you stand completely still, unable to do a single thing. Now imagine if stun did that to you, with a 6 second timer. Guaranteed incredibly cheap death.])

I'm pretty sure they've just been making it up as they go along.

Eh, it's an MMO. Name one that hasn't changed several times over the years. I mean, WOW has changed things many, many, many times.

Unlike a SinglePlayer game, MMOs are significantly less static in the ways they can be changed.

I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as a "stun meter".

When calculating the various degrees of hitstun, an invisible number is ordinarily used.
For example, in 3rd strike the red bar underneath their health bar is the stun meter.

While several games choose to do away with a physical representation of the stun meter, it exists in almost every ARPG or fighting game out there.

Hitstun itself is usually referred to as such because it stuns the enemy for a short time so as to allow for follow up attacks whenever they get hit. However in many ARPGs stunning enemies with every attack would allow for quite an easy kill, unlike fighting games. So instead they opt for a stun meter that builds up to an interrupted attack or a large pushback, to allow the enemy to recover. Spiral Knights features both of these elements.
Normally in these systems, rather than damage being the deciding factor in the stun or knockback, weapon attack speed is, since it allows players to land full combos with their weapons.

we don't have access to the source code of the game

Here's your source code, champ: https://github.com/threerings/clyde
Go put that Computer Science III to good use.

if it was easy to fix, THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT ALREADY.

Even if it's easy to do, there's a chance they still wouldn't do it because it really doesn't benefit them to spend the resources to do it.
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW GAME DEVELOPMENT WORKS

I mean, if they do implent the hitstun

Enemies automatically interrupt all of your attacks when they hit you.
It's already there.
It might be effected a little by your defence but in my experience even wearing plate armor I would get interrupted by Ash Wolver Buttchomps.

sleep made you stand completely still, unable to do a single thing. Now imagine if stun did that to you, with a 6 second timer. Guaranteed incredibly cheap death

I know, I was around when they first implemented it. Did you know if you stay asleep without getting attacked you regenerate HP?

Name one that hasn't changed several times over the years.

I don't know about you but this game hasn't been around long enough to need a reboot.
Nor several of them.
As the old adage goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Okay!!

Shoebox knows what he is talking about.

Basically, when an enemy is hit with something that 'Applies Stun' a VARIABLE should be added as a relative to the object_enemy, and an action to CANCEL ALL OTHER CURRENT ACTIONS should be triggered if VARIABLE:stun was equal to 0

to make sure stun isnt applied for more than 8 seconds, we need something along the drastically simplified lines of check variable.stun

}if + 8

}set to 8

{

now, every step in game for Object_Enemy (using as a generalization) Check-Variables are important

}if VARIABLE:Stun is greater than 0

}Set object 'rate-of-action' to 0.5 (yes i know its going to be more complicated that "Raet Uv Ackshin")

}Set 'timer' to 30 (one second)

[timer actions will be activated every second, one of them should include change VARIABLE:Stun to a relative of -1]

effectively this obviously reduces the stun count duration and variable by 1 for every full second

}if VARIABLE:stun is equal to or less than 0, Set Object.rate-of-action to 1 (regular speed)

____________

now, i know a little bit about coding, and i know that even just applying these events to a parent controller that initiates events common to every normal enemy, will be difficult, due to there being numerous events already existig for the general parent controller of standard enemies making organization and conflicting of events hard to manage and keep track of. Even if you make a specific Stun.Status_Parent controller, its going to take some work not to interfere with any existing events. Some of you im sure know coding much better, but all im trying to do is get a simple point across, that it can and needs to be done one way or another.

Okay, Shoe? I've looked in there before, that is for Clyde, what they used for the Models. They wrote their own Model stuff in there.

What do you think Spiral Spy is?

There are also a number of editor functions in there that you can use to view all the stuff in the game, if you so wish.
But I do believe doing that will net you a big ol' ban.

@diamondshreddie

That would be interesting, seeing T3 mobs having to resort back to their basic attacks.

My RSS hit the trashcan awhile ago. I won't be looking back.
ISB has some chance for redemption, if only on solo runs.

I'm gonna declare pretty officially now that I'll no longer be a bomber. No use in it. I'm building up the cr to get my bombing gear unbound. And then I'll just hand it to a noob.

~no bomber

I don't think anyone wants OP. I watched your vid. I am shocked at how long it takes to kill that big mob of slags. DBB would have done it much, MUCH faster (and, not to mention, much bigger blast radius and capable of hitting all enemies in the radius at once and knocking them down!)

In fact, i bet you could kill them all faster with a friggin' VT.

They're impatient, of course. I have to say, though, if it came down to it, I'd prefer to have one guy with Shivermist and DR among the swordsmen and gunslingers in Compound 42. (I should probably be that guy... just a little afraid to enter Danger Missions in parties when my mist is down from crafting, there's always pressure to revive!)

A lot of people find the unpredictable knockback (it goes either inward or outward from the shards) to be... just that, unpredictable. Gunners would have little problem with it, being that they stay at a safe distance, but close-range fighters might find it irritating in a group. Also, Lockdown... they need to fix the shards disappearing on players/CPs in Lockdown (perhaps by not counting CPs as walls >_<), and a radius boost to the shards would be much appreciated ('cause enemy players can just waltz through and filet you).

If you guys really want to find out how everything works you could use Java Reflection.