Spiral Knights - What has become of the community...

What has become of the community...

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Mon, 08/13/2012 - 10:43

Sorbcell

Alrighty, to all the flamers out there who are continuously giving inconsiderate criticism against OOO, just stop. All of this rage on the forums is turning the "General Discussion" into a "OOO is a stupid piece of shite for not listening to us" forum. Well let me tell you something people, the few considerate and constructive ideas of fixes/updates/patches ARE heard by OOO. Like any idea, things take time to develop. For all those people that can't wrap this around their craniums, then stop flaming and quit playing Spiral Knights.

Yes I agree that the Radiant Sun Shards and Ionized Salt Bomb update was a bit disappointing, but hey, mistakes do happen. No one's perfect: I'm not perfect and you aren't perfect. The flaws that happen in a computer game or in real life is what makes life interestingly, but strangely beautiful. Even if this was intentional to downgrade the shard bombs like this, isn't this what the majority of the Spiral Knights player-base wanted? Didn't you want a more challenging Vana run?

Also, to all those players out there that are whining about not getting new content, challenge yourselves with the content that has already been given out. Now please don't say "Ohh well I've done every possible challenge I can think of," because I doubt many of you have. And even in the unlikelihood that you have, play Spiral Knights for the fun of it! Don't go raging on the forums about the lack of content or other fixes. It's definitely not going to speed up the process of any new updates being released. If none of you have the patience to wait, then stop playing Spiral Knights. Your brash comments to OOO are highly annoying, and they don't accomplish anything.

Kudos to the players of Spiral Knights providing nice respectful comments and critiques to what should be in the game of Spiral Knights. And lastly, to OOO and all the Game Master's of Spiral Knights, thanks for making such a wonderful game.

Cheers,
Sorb

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 10:47

Eltia

How would you feel if they take away (I meant, remove) Levi and ask you to use the cutter line that shots bullets?

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 10:52

Providence

Oh good old Levi.

Levi is great for getting my teammates killed. But if they replaced it with a strike dagger that shoots bullets, it'd be a Winmillion with shorter reach so I'd already know how that works. I'd switch back to some other blade because there are plenty of options.

But anyway, I agree with Sorbcell. Sometimes mistakes happen, and OOO eventually fixes those mistakes but it takes a while. As strange as this sounds, I'm actually happy when they nerf or change existing weapons because it means they're still thinking about the game as a whole----they're not just throwing in new stuff, they care about making the old stuff consistent with each other too.

It's a shame people are spending so much time being unhappy about a nerf instead of finding something they DO like and enjoy.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 10:55

Juances

Oh no, dont just say mistakes happen. They had a godamn test server open, with plenty of feedback to work with.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 10:55

Eltia

Mistakes do happen

and ETA to our fix?

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:00

Providence

Test server?

Plenty of feedback is all fine and good, but the quality of the feedback is more important. Judging by the quality of the Bug Report forum...most players have trouble describing the bugs they encounter. Or they identify things that aren't bugs. Or they don't provide any information at all.

That's part of why it takes a while to fix anything 'round here. As for an ETA on the fix, I don't know that there needs to be one until the new changes are further tested or that OOO needs to tell anyone when it's coming. They release things when the things are ready. Yelling a lot won't speed up the process.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:13

Eltia

Timeline

June 27th, 2012. Shard bomb update announced.
July 26th, 2012. Test server. (Some testers already told OOO the patch is not ready.)
August 8th, 2012. It's online.
August 13th, 2012 and up. Awaiting news update.

With all due respect, I don't think all the noises are because people are jerks. (Yes some of them are jerks, but a good majority of them aren't.)

We have a reasonable basis to ask OOO to think twice about this bomb patch. The bomb patch needs to be revised in a significant way because the rationale does not reflect reality well. What OOO should be doing right now is, rollback the bomb patch and do more thorough testing, together with listening to comments from people who spend a very good amount of time as bombers, improve their patch then try again.

So, ETA to fix, please?

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:20

Providence

Eh.

I still respectfully disagree. I don't think the general populace has had enough time to play with them. For all we know, most people might like the change but they don't show up on the forums to add their two cents. Or they could all hate the bombs, which we still wouldn't know because they don't show up on the forums.

I don't think we have enough data, but that's my personal opinion. If I were OOO I'd stick to my guns and shoot for overall balance and leave the update, maybe tweak some numbers but leave the gameplay change; there are plenty of other options for players to use.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:31

Eltia

Search the forum?

I meant, really, it's not that hard. People did try it both before and after the launch of the bomb patch. They have ample of data to support the patch is not going to be well received.

The current bomb patch is wrong because it begins with a flawed assumption: shard bombs aren't very bomb like, so they should be made more like bombs that the designer of SK is familiar with. So the idea here is be consistent because inconsistent is bad. (OK, why is it bad?)

I can understand in math and science, you need to be consistent with your theories. But hack, SK is a game and game is suppose to be fun! Why can't you, OOO, treat the old RSS like an Easter Egg that people find a fun, enjoyable use and just leave it as is? We are not interested in your "theories" and "consistencies". We pay your game because it is fun.

Hope this clears up all the confusion. As for OP and Providence, I don't think this thread is necessary. /thread please.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:43

Tersakaff

This rage is to be expected.
When you apply an update to live that people didn't appreciate on the test server, in order to spill out their frustration for the new change that might as well have ruined their play style, people go to the forums.
OOO should learn not to take these at heart, after all, the game is amazing despite some certain changes that anger the community. Every game has its good and bad patches.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 15:28

#10

Sorbcell

To clear things up

I never said the people that are raging about content and other material were jerks. I enjoy the majority of the Spiral Knights community. They do make the game more enjoyable. Just as most people do, I miss the old RSS. And just like Eltia said it's a nice little "Easter Egg."

My overall point was that the repititiveness of these raging threads are redundant and don't accomplish anything. Yes, OOO is a business and they should provide accordingly through the cash you put into this game, but they are human, they make mistakes. Also, everyone needs love in life. Through showing kindness through CONSTRUCTIVE criticism great things can be accomplished, even as slow as it may be. I'm not speaking for OOO itself or any of the GM's in Spiral Knights, but wouldn't you rather go to work and have a piece of paper on your desk with some constructive criticism on it, rather than some brash comments highlighting how bad you are at what you do?

So lets show some love for OOO and all of the Spiral Knights GM's. <3

Cheers,
Sorb

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 16:09

#11

Bromon

The Community has Hit the Crapper

Well said Sorb.

I completely agree. Except I'm not going to sugar coat this. Ever since, lets say the Crimson Hammer patch, the FORUM community has hit crapper. Rather then being a community that can easily discuss a problem, find solutions, and encourage OOO to follow these solutions, the forums have become a place solely for the purpose of complaining and raging. Not criticism, but rage. Almost every post or suggestion is littered with immature, stuck-up, snarky comments whose purpose is not to identify a problem (which has already been identified in countless other threads) but instead intended to belittle OOO and exploit every single mistake in an GM's post. The rest of the post seem to not even address the problem, but instead simply rage and hate against OOO. I'd like you to take a look at the wonderful feedback of the new bombs in the test server forum. The negative points of the new bombs addressed there are addressed in a civilized, straightforward manner. If the forum was filled with threads like those, instead of the crap ones we have littered around now, the message the community is tryng to convey would have a much more profound effect on the decision OOO makes.

All in all I say the community has lost almost all signs a real community. I guess after the mess of the crimson hammer patch everyone suddenly thought this was the right way of going about things. That being said there are still the small few that act decently. Hopefully, they inspire other to act the same

And yes, I am aware of the slight Hippocracy of this post but what must be said must be said. A wrong does not make another wrong right

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 16:12

#12

Wodanct

Pretty sure people just got

Pretty sure people just got sick of their well thought out suggestions not getting noticed.. or how all that nice testing feedback was not even used and they released the new shard bombs anyway with all the same problems that they had on the testing server.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 16:19

#13

Byas

I agree that they should get

I agree that they should get some love from time to time, after all SK is a cool game that we all love, but damn this patch was too much to not expect an angry mob. They ignored the testing feedback (bombers weren't happy with the new bombs, even more if they new that they would have their elemental uvs carried into a pierce bomb), traded a nice bomb for some that nobody wanted and threw an easily exploitable "reward" all in the same patch. Seriously, someone can't make so many mistakes in so little time without trying really hard into failing.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 16:22

#14

Bromon

I agree, they did completely

I agree, they did completely ignore the testing feedback. That honestly makes me mad. But here is the flaw in the approach your suggesting. getting "sick" of posting decent, worthwhile comments and instead posting angry, crap comments does nothing. Actually, it makes things worse. It reduces the credibility of your suggestions. It negatively construes your argument. it does NOT provide a solution for both parties. It does NOT encourage discussion for a solution. It is NOT productive. It creates a negative image for the community. And finally, it encourages other to do the same simply because it is easier.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 18:00

#15

Byas

Well, this patch was bad and

Well, this patch was bad and they should feel bad about it. :P
Jokes aside. The points are still there and the angry approach is because I was really angry while typing (remembering all the bad things on the patch made me kinda mad). The point is, usually people tend get angry without motive on most patches, the dev team's mistakes could be acceptable most of the time but this patch was seriously pushing it, they even had community feedback to make things right and decided to go against it... It can't end well when you go against your public.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 02:09

#16

Metagenic

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I paid $200 dollars into this game. Instead of giving us a proper Asian server (and Australians, South Americans as well) the way they gave Europeans a server, they outsource us out to some company who won't even let us sync our current accounts onto the new server.

I got the Radiant Sun Shards to kill zombies and trojans. Instead of giving me the option to choose which new bomb I wanted, they gave me a garbage piercing bomb that's a wannabe mix of the Stagger Storm and Dark Briar Barrage, and handed me a useless UV ticket for "compensation".

Defend OOO all you want, I believe my anger is justified.

Tue, 08/14/2012 - 07:00

#17

Fehzor

Yeah, it was an accident that they changed them. "Whoops! We didn't know anyone cared about that!"

As for "These threads are just rage!"- There have been many solutions given to OOO, and many more that OOO can come up with, but they aren't happening. That calls for rage. Why should I sit here and try to think up changes when OOO refuses to implement them?